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"It was the Deep State" is the new "The dog ate my homework"

Johan

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Rush Limbaugh: Maybe the liberal “deep state” fabricated Iraq War WMD evidence to embarrass Bush


The radio host, who was for invading Iraq, now thinks it’s a liberal plot because . . . Trump?


For some reason," conservative talk show radio host Rush Limbaugh "was thinking about the war in Iraq," as he said on the Tuesday edition of his radio show. There, he asserted that the intelligence community — led by Democratic elements of the "deep state" -- fabricated intelligence to "damage" former President George W. Bush.

"Speaking of the intelligence agencies — I'm sure some of you have already thought of this, but it just hit me a few days ago," Limbaugh said on his radio show on Tuesday. "You remember what the intelligence agencies were telling us in the war in Iraq? You remember what they were telling us?"
He went on to rehash the ultimately disproven theory, forwarded by the Bush administration, that Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist government had developed and stockpiled weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) that it intended to use on the U.S. and its allies. This was, of course, the much-contested pretext for the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq in 2003.

Even though multiple reports suggest elements of the Bush administration shaped and sometimes rewrote intelligence reports to suggest the existence of robust WMD programs where none existed, Limbaugh asserted that it was the Democrats and various government agencies who created that false intel in order to take down a Republican president.

Limbaugh said:

The Democrat [sic] Party is the Washington establishment, and the Washington establishment believes that Gore won the presidency, that the Florida recount aftermath was bogus and rigged, that James Baker did a better job than the Democrat people did in finding votes, the "hanging chads." What if the intel on the war in Iraq was another disinformation campaign, to damage another Republican president? And boy, did that work.
What if the quote-unquote "intelligence community" misrepresented, on purpose, the degree to which Hussein had WMDs? Because I'll tell you it was a very, very embarrassing moment for the Bush administration. What if Saddam weapons of mass destruction was also a false narrative designed to — what, did it ultimately embarrass Bush? Did it weaken the US military? Did it — whatever it did, I mean, it opened the doors for the Democrats to literally destroy his presidency in the second term, which is what they did.What if, based on what we know now, we know how the 'deep state' has been trying to undermine Donald Trump since the days he was a candidate, to during his transition, to even it's ongoing now as president?" Limbaugh very rhetorically asked.


Regardless of any opinions one may have on the relationship between the executive branch and the intelligence community, Limbaugh's assertion is nothing more than bizarre, revisionist history that contains a lot of "what ifs" and no substance.
It's unhinged, classic Limbaugh web spinning, to be sure — but it's easy to see this Alex Jones-level conspiracy as less a robust defense of Bush than a cynical, fringe-styled bid to help President Donald Trump.

In recent months, Republicans and most conservative media punditry have launched a crusade to upend the ongoing investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into the Trump campaign's alleged ties with the Russian government.
In it, many have sought to delegitimize the work of the FBI by stoking fears of a so-called "deep state" — an unseen, all-powerful shadow government of liberal bureaucrats led by former president Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton working to undermine and unseat Trump and — who knows? — foster the UN takeover of the United States.

Limbaugh, Jones, Fox News, Trump advocates, administration appointees and Republican politicians have all made mention of this "deep state" in recent months, helpfully reframing the president's various legislative and policy failures as results not of his shortcomings as a leader, but as the work of a mysterious, unpatriotic cabal.

But the cabal wasn't always responsible for the corrupt WMD intelligence, in Limbaugh's eyes. In 2014, a decade after the WMD reports were exposed as crude myths, he penned an article titled, "The Iraq War Wasn't a Disaster — It Was Necessary." At the time, Limbaugh wrote:

Going into Iraq was not to avenge an assassination attempt on George H. W. Bush, and it wasn’t about Halliburton. It was about somebody taking a threat seriously and taking preventive action and not waiting to be hit again. Saddam was bragging all over the place about all the weapons of mass destruction he had, and they were toying around with creating a nuke, and everybody knew he had and tried to. Now, at the time this is happening, you can’t afford to sit around and say, "Nah, he can’t do it. Nah, he doesn’t mean it. Nah, he’s just bragging." You don’t have that luxury.
[. . .]
The Democrats supported it for a couple of weeks, but that’s as long as they could go and then they turned it political and that was the end. They spent the next five years trying to delegitimize the whole thing. In my mind it had a valid purpose.

And what has changed in the few years since he wrote those words? Trump.
https://www.salon.com/2018/01/24/ru...ated-iraq-war-wmd-evidence-to-embarrass-bush/


"It was the Deep State" is the new "The dog ate my homework", the official excuse for everything conservatives can't deal with and all the past mistakes they refuse to admit they made.

I think none hear will disagree when I say that France is a much more socialist country than the US.
Still, then french president Jacques Chirac and then french Minister of Foreign Affairs Dominique de Villepin both weighted heavily against the Iraq War, did everything they could to prevent it.
Conservatives would tell you socialists all over the world are working together. Then why would socialist in the US push for the war and socialist in France pushed against it ? You might say that Chirac and Villepin weren't socialists. But the thing is, everyone in Frande, from the Far Right to the Far Left, cheered them for refusing the war.

Also, someone tell me if I'm wrong but didn't Obama was against the Iraq War ?
Why would he be against something that's being pushed by the Deep State ?

The truth is the Bush administration wanted that war, made everything it could -including fabricating evidences about the WMD- to convince people hthe war was necessary, that if Saddam wasn't dealth with, he would soon launch chemichal attacks, and even nukes, on the US. We now know it was all lies from the Bush administration, that there was no WMD and that they just send thousands of US boys to die for nothing
But now Limbaugh found preposterous way to both blame smeone else for being such a vocal supporter for the war and, at the same time, tarnish Mueller's and the FBI's credibility as the Russia investigation seems to get closer and closer from Trump.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/...destroy-george-w-bush-with-bad-intel-on-wmds/
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
It turns out that U.S. intelligence agencies are highly politicized, so it is a fair question to ask.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
It turns out that U.S. intelligence agencies are highly politicized, so it is a fair question to ask.

No it's not.
It's completely idiotic.

As Johan noted we have proof the Bush administration both cherry picked intel and suppressed facts in order to build their case for war.

As he also noted, had this all been a set up to ensnare Bush dems would have voted for the Iraq Resolution, but instead congressional dems voted against it 147 to 111.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
No it's not.
It's completely idiotic.

As Johan noted we have proof the Bush administration both cherry picked intel and suppressed facts in order to build their case for war.

As he also noted, had this all been a set up to ensnare Bush dems would have voted for the Iraq Resolution, but instead congressional dems voted against it 147 to 111.

This is what we know:
Clapper and Brennan are highly partisan.
Comey was Loretta Lynch’s bitch and highly partisan.

You are full of it.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
Even if what you typed is fact, what does that have to do with Rush's lame ass assertion?

His statement makes NO SENSE based on actual events.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Rush never claimed it to be fact, he just suggested the possibility. The deep state have earned this type of distrust.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
I'm surprised you'd go there, because to even suggest the possibility flies in the face of common sense and reality regarding Iraq and Bushco.

Had he suggested there was reason to question something ongoing then ok, room for discussion. But the leap he made re Iraq is just plain retarded.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Well I heard Rush make the comment and hearing him say it live on air came across in the context of Rush thinking out loud. When Rush says “ don’t doubt me” he is fully invested in what he is saying. He did not do that in this instance. I have never been more distrustful of government agencies in my life. I am especially disappointed in the FBI.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Ok Ok. Were gonna go on a massive endless war scheme which will kill millions, destroy entire countries, make millions of orphans and homeless children, destroy millions of families, and cost the people of the USA trillions of dollars making most of them broke and living paycheck to paycheck.
But the good news is WE are all going to get stinking rich until we die and rot in Hell.

So you over there- You guys are the Blue Team. And you over there , you are the Gold Team.
Blue team- Do all you can to promote these wars and all the "security" and "defense" spending assossiated with it.
Gold team- Your job is to go against everything the Blue team says and does. Really make it look like you care.
Make all those idiots actually think we are on different sides. Make them think they have a choice and a say in things.

The media? Dont worry they know exactly what they need to do, dont worry about them.
Just do what youre told and we'll all continue rolling in endless money until we die.


Clintons, Bushes, Obama, now even Trump and nothing changes. Same shit different day.

When are people gonna wake up and see the truth?
Probably never. They know how to manipulate us, been doing it for years.
And the ones who do figure it out or at least begin to sense something aint right, well they can be shut down easily enough.
 

Johan

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
The only reason why Rush suggested that and dis not stated it is because it's BS and he doesn't want to have to admit he was wrong once it will be debunked.
But he knows even suggesting it will be enough to convince his audience it happened.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
But he knows even suggesting it will be enough to convince his audience it happened.

Yes, that's part of what's so bothersome about it. I respect that BC may know his nuances better than most, but I don't believe he was just innocently wondering out loud. He's looking to instill or reinforce a state of mind here, even if somewhat obliquely, regarding the so-called "deep state", and sadly his audience is about as non critical as they come, no matter how retarded the "suggestion" is.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
I have never been more distrustful of government agencies in my life. I am especially disappointed in the FBI.

We are living though interesting times. I imagine we'll find out just how accurate or not your mistrust is in time. Kinda hard to imagine a more abusive FBI than Hoover's. I don't see anything in Mueller's resume that makes me think he's crooked. Comey re-opened the Clinton email investigation 2 weeks before the election, so it's pretty hard for me to entertain the charge of him being in her or the democrat's pocket.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
We are living though interesting times. I imagine we'll find out just how accurate or not your mistrust is in time. Kinda hard to imagine a more abusive FBI than Hoover's. I don't see anything in Mueller's resume that makes me think he's crooked. Comey re-opened the Clinton email investigation 2 weeks before the election, so it's pretty hard for me to entertain the charge of him being in her or the democrat's pocket.

Well he is.
They are buddies. They go way back, look it up.
The reopening of the "case" against HC was a gamble. A desperate measure from a candidate who stole the candidancy and was one of the most hated and despised people who ever lived.
She was exonerated once but many people weren't buying it , especially in the pre-censured yootoob and google days.
So they "opened" it up again and again exonerated her.
Didn't work.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
That doesn't make sense, Mr. P
The re-opening of the investigation on the eve of the election most definitely cost her.
 

Straight Shooter

1,000 posts to go for my own user title!
Well he is.
They are buddies. They go way back, look it up.
The reopening of the "case" against HC was a gamble. A desperate measure from a candidate who stole the candidancy and was one of the most hated and despised people who ever lived.
She was exonerated once but many people weren't buying it , especially in the pre-censured yootoob and google days.
So they "opened" it up again and again exonerated her.
Didn't work.

This is false on so many levels and you know it!!
 
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