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*2016 US Presidential Elections* - Candidates, Statistics, Campaign Timelines, Debates

Luxman

#TRE45ON
Donald Trump and the mob
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

You can't be in the construction business, or especially in the casino business, without having to do business with the mob.
The mafia helped Trump become rich, and if he was president, he would do some secret favors for his mafia friends.
Behind closed doors in the oval office, people would kiss his big T shaped ring and address him as Don Trump and bribe him for favors.
 

BCsSecretAlias

Closed Account
Don't you remember. It's right at the link you thanked Iceman for. You don't do PMs. You certainly do PMS, in every way imaginable, but Private Message? No, no BC don't play that. I post something Private, you get rage-drunk, and you post it out here anyway. I'm cutting out the middle-man and keeping you from being even more pathetic at the same time. (snort) Private message....from this buffoon......what a pickled amnesiac.

In case you haven't noticed (I know, those pesky hangovers), I'm trying to post to the topic here. Will you kindly read this 10 times:and kindly fuck off so the rest of us can discuss. It's called "derailing a thread". Yeah, yeah. Some guy was just talking about it a few minutes ago.

Solid post..

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Mayhem

Banned
Top Jeb Bush adviser leaves GOP, will vote for Clinton if Florida close

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/

Jeb Bush's top adviser, Sally Bradshaw, has left the Republican Party to become an independent, and says if the presidential race in Florida is close, she'll vote for Hillary Clinton.

Bradshaw, who's been close to the former Florida governor for decades and was senior adviser to his 2016 campaign, officially switched her registration to unaffiliated. She told CNN's Jamie Gangel in an email interview that the GOP is "at a crossroads and have nominated a total narcissist -- a misogynist -- a bigot."

"This is a time when country has to take priority over political parties. Donald Trump cannot be elected president," Bradshaw said.
The departure from the Republican Party of a Bush loyalist -- Bradshaw began her career working for George H.W. Bush's 1988 campaign -- is the latest sign of an influential and respected member of the GOP establishment turning against Trump.

"This election cycle is a test," Bradshaw said. "As much as I don't want another four years of (President Barack) Obama's policies, I can't look my children in the eye and tell them I voted for Donald Trump. I can't tell them to love their neighbor and treat others the way they wanted to be treated, and then vote for Donald Trump. I won't do it."
Her decision comes amid controversy over Trump's criticism of the family of an Muslim-American soldier killed in action in Iraq in 2004. Bradshaw called that remark "despicable," saying it "made me sick to my stomach."

"Donald Trump belittled a woman who gave birth to a son who died fighting for the United States. If anything, that reinforced my decision to become an independent voter," she said. "Every family who loses a loved one in service to our country or who has a family member who serves in the military should be honored, regardless of their political views. Vets and their family have more than earned the right to those views. Someone with the temperament to be president would understand and respect that."
Bradshaw said the latest incident reinforced how she was feeling about the decision she's long weighed.

Her move goes beyond what other Republicans have said or done, although many top leaders in the GOP -- including Sen. John McCain, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Sen. Mitch McConnell, among others -- have made it clear that they have a big problem with Trump's comments about a Gold Star family. But none have, as of yet, withdrawn their endorsements or support.

"I've been considering the switch for months. Ultimately, I could not abide the hateful rhetoric of Donald Trump and his complete lack of principles and conservative philosophy," she said. "I didn't make this decision lightly -- I have worked hard to make our party a place where all would feel welcome. But Trump has taken the GOP in another direction, and too many Republicans are standing by and looking the other way."
Bradshaw served as Jeb Bush's campaign manager when Bush ran unsuccessfully for Florida governor in the early 1990s and again four years later when he won.


Bradshaw said she hasn't yet decided who she'll vote for -- though "it obviously won't be Trump. I haven't made a decision yet between Clinton, Gary Johnson or writing in a candidate."
"If the race in Florida is close, I will vote for Hillary Clinton," she said. "That is a very difficult statement for me to make. I disagree with her on several important issues. I have worked to elect Republicans to national and statewide offices for the last 30 years. I have never voted for a Democrat for president, and I consider myself a conservative, a supporter of limited government, gun rights, free enterprise, equality of opportunity. I am pro-life. There are no other candidates who were serious contenders for the nomination that I would not have supported.

"But," she said, "we are at a crossroads and have nominated a total narcissist -- a misogynist -- a bigot. This is a time when country has to take priority over political parties. Donald Trump cannot be elected president."
Analyzing the GOP primary in which Jeb Bush failed to attract a significant share of the vote and dropped out early, Bradshaw pointed to a fractured field, with Trump able to consistently capture one-third of the vote early.

"I really fault the candidates who did not speak out against Trump until the end of the primary cycle. Lindsay Graham and Jeb Bush spoke out early and consistently -- but most did not, fearful of offending that segment of the party or positioning themselves for future office," she said in her email.

Bradshaw said she sees voting against Trump as "the only real choice for reasonable, thoughtful Republicans to make."

"Our president must represent what is good about America -- a belief in opportunity for all -- regardless of race and gender and background -- to rise up and live the American dream," she said. "A president can't tear down Hispanics, or mock someone who is disabled, or use symbols in campaign literature that Jewish voters understandably find offensive. To continue to be the hope of the world, all Americans regardless of party affiliation have to reject him."

She added: "If and when the party regains its sanity, I'll be ready to return. But until Republicans send a message to party leadership that this cannot stand, nothing will ever change."
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Good riddance. Too bad it's purely for show. 80,000 Pennsylvanians switched from D to R in the last year. That speaks volumes.
 

sean miguel

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Trump has said some despicable things from the start of his campaign beginning with what he said of McCain.

But compared to what?


“I’ve often said there are three questions that would destroy most of the arguments on the left.

The first is: ‘Compared to what?’

The second is: ‘At what cost?’

And the third is: ‘What hard evidence do you have?’

Now there are very few ideas on the left that can pass all of those…”

-Thomas Sowell

^ I've heard the name, but have never come across one of his quotes until today.
 

Johan

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Moody's: Where Trump's Economic Policies Might Spark Recession, Clinton's Could Boost GDP And Lower Unemployment
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiem...oost-gdp-and-lower-unemployment/#2b5f2d812348


Take, for instance, what Moody’s says could happen if Clinton’s proposals are pushed through as they currently exist. Among other things, this would mean that the government will get an extra $150 billion in revenue as a result of higher taxes levied on the wealthiest bracket of tax payers; that infrastructure spending will get a five-year, $300 billion infusion that will be used for the construction of roads, bridges, airports and more; and that Clinton is successful in expanding paid family leave.

The projected results of these policies? Real GDP could grow an average of 2.7% per year from 2016 to 2020; the economy could produce 10.4 million jobs and the unemployment rate could dip as low as 3.7% by 2018. Moody’s also said that paid family leave should have the effect of increasing the labor force participation, “since it is estimated that no more than 40% of workers currently have private paid leave coverage, generally for the birth of a child.”


Now consider what Zandi and his team said about Trump’s proposals getting pushed through in their current form — meaning, among other things, that the top marginal tax rate would drop from 39.6% to 25%, estate and gift taxes would be eliminated, and 11.3 million undocumented immigrants would be deported.

“The U.S. economy will weaken significantly if Mr. Trump’s economic policies are fully implemented as he has proposed,” the June report said. “The economy will suffer a recession that begins in early 2018 and extends into 2020. During this downturn, real GDP will decline peak to trough by close to 2.4%.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Every other economics forecaster has roundly refuted that. Mind your own fucked up country.
 

pool_hustler

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true!
Did anyone else notice that the progs only care about the military when it fits their agenda?

Really? That's the way you see it? Reading that one might think there aren't any dems/liberals in the military, let alone tens of thousands of them that loving families have grieved over through all of america's conflicts.

strict's article Clinton was in the U.S. Senate when she voted to invade Iraq. Years later, after that position became politically unpopular, she changed her mind.

lol It wasn't about it becoming 'politically unpopular', it was about the basis for it turning out to be completely bogus.
 

Mayhem

Banned
.002 percent of Gold Star families are Muslim. These people were chosen by the DNC in the interest of identity politics.

The fucker attacked Trump first and fuck anyone that doesn't like Trump defending himself.

And fuck his muzzie wife playing the victim role when Trump is exactly right saying she kept her mouth shut because muzzie broads aren't allowed to speak out.

Trump wasn't my first choice but God damn if he wouldn't be now if we had the primaries to go through again.

Muslims join our military for completely different reasons than Christians and Jews do. They can take the oath and not be bound to it due to their cult of a religion.

The Ft. Hood shooter should have met the same fate as Khan.

Good grief, the way this dead Muslim vet's advocates (namely EVERY MSM propaganda outfit) are portraying him and his religion, you'd think a thousand of our deceased military would have been of the Muslim persuasion.


So there has been 10 to 14 deceased vets of the Islamic persuasion since 9-11...wtf?


Is that even a half a percent of the total deceased vets since 9-11?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...er-in-iraq-the-khan-family-is-our-family.html

When she took her three sons to her fallen captain’s grave, former Army Pfc. Vanessa Brenes-Ramirez did not even think to speak to them about his religion.

She did tell her boys how Capt. Humayun Khan had been the very soul of kindness and decency. How he had made her feel safe. How he had always said leaders lead from the front. How he understood that you have to know what it means to be at the bottom before you can rightly be at the top.

Her first encounter with that philosophy in action had been when her unit, the 201st Forward Support Battalion, was preparing to deploy to Iraq back in 2004. A sergeant had ordered her to dig a foxhole after she had been on guard duty all night. She was already exhausted, but she had set to digging when Khan happened past.

“What are you doing?” Khan asked by her recollection “You just did guard duty. Go sit down.”
“Sir?” a stunned Brenes-Ramirez asked.

“Go sit down,” Khan said. “That’s an order.”

A 19-year-old private found herself sitting and watching an officer work the shovel. The sergeant returned.
“What are you doing, sir?” the sergeant asked Khan.
“I’m helping,” Khan replied.

And helping was what Khan continued to do as he settled with the unit at a base in Iraq that was dubbed Warhorse. He was the 27-year-old force protection officer, in charge of base security, and he had a way of making everybody feel more secure. He had a keen strategic and tactical sense, seeming to know exactly what to do when. He was always attentive when his soldiers were on guard duty, making sure Brenes-Ramirez and the others had coffee when they wanted coffee and water when they needed water.

“I felt like he was my protector,” Brenes-Ramirez would say.
He was all in.

“There was no in between for him,” Brenes-Ramirez would recall.
She did not consider Khan’s religion.

“I didn’t even know he was a Muslim,” she would recall. “He was American. That’s what he was. All the colors we saw were green.”

Then came the morning of June 8, 2004. Khan had worked the overnight detail but wanted to see some security improvements a sergeant had been making to the front gate.

By one estimate, eight other Americans were in the vicinity of the gate when an orange taxi approached. Khan’s first concern was that none of his soldiers get hurt, and he called for everybody to get down.

But Khan was also likely concerned about the two Iraqis who were in the front seat. He was no doubt mindful of earlier incidents in which an approaching vehicle had failed to stop when ordered and the guards had opened fire with unfortunate results.

He approached the taxi and held up his hand for it to stop. The Iraqis responded by detonating a 200-pound bomb.
“Chaos,” Brenes-Ramirez would recall.

One of those who came running was Sgt. Laci Walker, then 21. She had never heard Khan speak ill of anybody and knew him always to look for the best in people.
“All the soldiers loved him,” she would later say. “He was just so good, and everybody looked up to him.”

Walker could have stayed back in Germany when the unit deployed, but she insisted that Khan take her with him.
“I liked to be on guard duty when he was in change," Walker would recall. “I knew it would be safer. I knew he would be the one looking out for me.”
Walker would add, “I didn’t even know he was a Muslim.”

She was off duty when she heard the explosion, and she got on a handheld radio. She learned that a vehicle-borne device had exploded at the gate. She was initially told there had been no American casualties, but when she arrived a fellow sergeant told her there had been one.

“He asked, ‘How are you with body parts?’” Walker would recall. “I said, ‘No problem. Who is it?’ And he told me and I puked my brains out.”
Brenes-Ramirez would say that she only remembered the tears.

“All I can tell you is I’ve never seen so many people cry,”
she would say. “Grown people. I mean hitting the floor crying.”
Khan had been a protector to the end.

“He told everybody, ‘Get down!’” she would say. “He sacrificed himself.”
She would also say, “He was our hero.”

And she would say, “We all would have done that. All of us. That’s how the Army is. You don’t look at what religion somebody is. Or where they are from.”
And she would say, “If Capt. Khan could pay the ultimate price, I could too.”

More tears came nearly a dozen years later, when she took her three boys to Arlington cemetery this past January. She initially went to visit her brother’s grave. He had also been in the Army and had died in a car accident the October after Khan’s death.

Khan was buried nearby, and she took the boys to his grave as well. She told them of a leader like none other, a captain who had been her guardian angel. She does not cry easily, but her eyes began to well as if time had only magnified the loss.

Her 9-year-old, Nicholas, sought to comfort her.
“Mommy, he lives in your memories,” the boy said by her account.

Her husband is in the Army with three deployments, and they had spoken to their boys about the importance of honor. The moment now came when all three boys, Nicholas and 7-year-old Dominick and 5-year-old Michael, stood before Khan’s headstone and saluted.
“It was quick little moment,” Brenes-Ramirez later said.

The month before, in December, Hillary Clinton had cited Khan and his heroism when she delivered a campaign speech in Detroit. Video from that appearance was played at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia last week. Khan’s father then stood at the podium with Khan’s mother and delivered a heartfelt rebuke to Donald Trump for his bigotry and his denigration of the principles for which their son gave his life.

Among those who watched those remarkable seven minutes on television was retired Gen. Dana Pittard, who had been the brigade commander at Warhorse when Khan was killed. Pittard had been aware that Khan was Muslim, as was another captain in the unit and as were several other soldiers. Khan had proven helpful in relations with the Iraqis. But he had made his loyalties clear.

“He said, ‘I’m an American. I’m an American patriot.” Pittard would recall.
Pittard had been stunned by the sudden void when that car bomb robbed the world of the captain it had been so lucky to have.

“There was so much promise for the future,” Pittard said. “He was such a good person. It was so wasteful that he died.”
The Army had determined that the suicide bombers were from a cell of the Ansar al-Islam group in northern Iraq.
“We went after the cell,” Pittard would tell The Daily Beast. “We were pretty aggressive.”

Last week, Pittard was stunned to see Khan’s face appear on the TV screen as he watched the Democratic convention with his family. Pittard then saw Khan’s father and mother at the podium. Pittard remembered that after he had sent them a letter of condolence, he had received a letter from them.
“Mr. and Mrs. Khan wrote me back thanking me,” Pittard told The Daily Beast.

Pittard’s family has voted Republican since Herbert Hoover, and he has never been the kind of general to comment on political matters, but he felt he had to say something about Trump’s subsequent attack on Khan’s parents. He figures that at the very least Trump does not understand how deeply the military feels about its gold star families and how much all military families have given over these past 15 years of war.
“The Khan family is our family,” Pittard said.

A video of the parents at the convention reached Walker via Facebook.
“I did not know he was of Muslim heritage until I heard Hillary Clinton say it,” Walker told The Daily Beast. “He would not want to be remembered as ‘that Muslim solider.’ He would want to be known as the soldier who died for his country.”

Word also reached Brenes-Ramirez. She understood that Khan’s parents were compelled by more than politics.
“They were just standing up for him like he stood up for us,” Brenes-Ramirez reasoned.

Brenes-Ramirez said she had taken a photo of Khan’s grave when she and her boys visited Arlington and that she had afterward made a painting based on it. That quick moment when her boys saluted the tombstone had been too spontaneous for her to have taken a picture. But the image stays with her and should stay with all the rest of us whenever anybody speaks of this most American of soldiers who died for his country and leaves us with an example of a true leader.
“It was beautiful,” she told The Daily Beast.

And young Nicholas is right. Khan does live in the memories of mommy and so many others.
 

BCsSecretAlias

Closed Account
Then his parents should honor their son by not making it political and then whining like little bitches when Trump responds.



Now don't you have some imaginary Army friends to play with and a G.I. Joe to rape?
 

FreeOnes_Adam

FO Admin - 19 Cents of Magical Cock (her/shey)
Staff member
If I can ever see a political discussion where it doesn't result in personal name calling in the end, I'll eat my hat.

Calm down guys and lets leave each other's families out of it. I don't have enough puddin' for all of you to wrastle it out in the ring.


Hell, I don't even own a ring. :angel1:
 

Mayhem

Banned
If I can ever see a political discussion where it doesn't result in personal name calling in the end, I'll eat my hat.

Calm down guys and lets leave each other's families out of it. I don't have enough puddin' for all of you to wrastle it out in the ring.


Hell, I don't even own a ring. :angel1:

Well Adam, gotta tell you, if you had made your shortage of puddin' public knowledge years ago, you could have spared the rest of us a lot of effort. I mean shit, I thought there was a prize at the end of all this.

But if you take a gander, the post directly above yours and then the post directly above that one basically sums up the relative scope of contributing around here.

And I really have never taken the opportunity to thank you for lifting BC's perma-ban, way back when. Appreciate it. I mean, it's really taken my mind off that other really bright idea of disbanding the Iraqi army because the public will behave just fine on their own and nothing will get stolen. Which decision has grimmer consequences for the future? We'll let history decide. But I digress. Thanx again buddy. :hatsoff:
 
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