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73% of Doctors Support Public Healthcare Option

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
I won't annoy some with a new thread on the issue and since this is the latest will just post the latest news on it here.Before I do I will just say Michael Moore was on with Leno last night discussiing his new movie about capitalism which I only knew/know a little about so far.The comment I heard to Moore from Leno was that in the movie Leno thinks Moore goes after Dems even harder than republicans and Moore stated that big buisness corporate money just owns our govt and both parties and I have to say that is a very fair assesment IMO and this health care issue is just more evidence of that.

So here is what is being proposed by the senate finance commitee headed of course by dems(Max Baucus).It is worse then doing nothing IMO as it allows the US to spend even more money on health care which we spend too much on now.Health care in the US is 15% of our GDP and thats lot more than all other similar western countries which already cover everyone.Thats the problem with our system 1st and foremost ,it costs way to much and we get to little for the spending to boot.

"Senate's 10-year health fix would cost US $856B"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul


"WASHINGTON – Sen. Max Baucus on Wednesday brought out the much-awaited Finance Committee version of an American health-system remake — a landmark $856 billion, 10-year measure that starts a rough ride through Congress without visible Republican backing.

The bill by Baucus, chairman of the Finance Committee, would make major changes to the nation's $2.5 trillion health care system, including requiring all individuals to purchase health care or pay a fine, and language prohibiting insurance company practices like charging more to people with more serious health problems.


The bill fails to fulfill President Barack Obama's aim of creating a new government-run insurance plan — or option — to compete with the private market. It proposes instead a system of nonprofit member-owned cooperatives, somewhat akin to electric co-ops that exist in many places around the country. That was one of many concessions meant to win over Republicans."



So bottom line here is sign up with one of the private insurance companies or pay a fine and we get to spend on top of what we spend now an additional 856 billion dollars.

Like I said corporations own both parties,too bad so many americans drink that corporate kool -aid and are not seeing what needs to be really done here. A shift to a single payer system that we spend much less on and cover everyone in.Till they see that and push politicians to work for that which would be good for all of us and releive the strain on our economy the current system puts on it we probably should do nothing but not for the reasons the kool-aid drinkers who became famous at the town halls express but because what is being proposed is just playing right into the insurance companies wishes.

Mitt Romney did same thing as Gov of Ma.,got law passed buy insurance or pay fine.Max Baucus and him have a lot in common.Both are owned and this "reform" sucks!:thefinger
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
73%. Wow, that's a lot, isn't it? But who did they poll? In the transcript they didn't list who answered the poll, aside from the fact that they were doctors and they didn't state how many doctors (as far as I could see just by skimming over the piece).
 

~~whimsy~~

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
73%. Wow, that's a lot, isn't it? But who did they poll? In the transcript they didn't list who answered the poll, aside from the fact that they were doctors and they didn't state how many doctors (as far as I could see just by skimming over the piece).

That is the one thing I dislike about polls and tend to not trust them. Especially if simple things as how many voted, who were able to vote, and where it originated from.

I tend to believe polls are for people too lazy to actually research themselves and just see what the "majority" of thinkers are.

It said near the pie chart:

Notes
The survey was designed and conducted by Drs. Salomeh Keyhani and Alex Federman of Mount Sinai School of Medicine. Over the summer of 2009, they surveyed a random sample of more than 2,000 physicians.

2,000 out of how many practicing physicians in the country?

I don't put any stock into polls. They are used to swing favor to the masses into whichever agenda the poll is being used for. Heck, I trust a TMZ poll more than I do a political one.
 

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
I think its easy to understand that a high % of doctors would support anything that means more patients.Some might be motivated by the idea that all should have access and some might just like the idea of more patients and more people to bill whether thats an insurance company the govt or whatever/whoever who is the payee.

Right now three groups look to be the winners in whatever is done.The Insurance companies who will get to sign up all the unisured,the doctors who will get more patients and without real cost controls obviously a lot more money and lastly the uninsured who will get some sort of coverage (or pay a fine).Those 1st two groups are the big winners.The rest of us all get to lose and just pay more and more and more in premiums and taxes.

Govt for the corporation,of the corporation,by the corporation.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
polls are bullshit, you really think obama will fix your health care and financial system ? You must be really naive to think so. The situation will not allow any kind of so called fixings over the short or the long run. Have the bail outs given something positive? Not as far as I know, they made the situation worse and the deficit bigger.
 

Facetious

Moderated
The poll in Investors Business Daily today revealed something in the order of 65% of all doctors
were against the obamedicine plan errr ....scheme .

It just goes to show how..... never mind :rolleyes:
 

bodie54

If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
polls are bullshit, you really think obama will fix your health care and financial system ? You must be really naive to think so. The situation will not allow any kind of so called fixings over the short or the long run. Have the bail outs given something positive? Not as far as I know, they made the situation worse and the deficit bigger.

Well I'm no economist, but the Dow Jones Industrial average bottomed out at 6547 on March 9th. It closed today at 9791.

On September 10th, 2001, the day before the Trade Center attack, it closed at 9605.

In late July it achieved the largest two week gain in nine years.

The numbers of homes sold has increased every month since March.
First time buyers are accounting for nearly one third of all buyers.

also........

"The hopes of a return to positive growth in the third quarter were boosted by news that GDP had declined by just 1% on an annualized basis in the period from April to June. Meanwhile, orders for durable goods, excluding defense and transport equipment, which is reckoned to be a good proxy for business investment, rose by a solid 1.4% in June. There were also further signals that the worst of the housing market slump is over, with sales of new homes rising by 11% in June, and the S&P/Case-Shiller index of house prices in 20 major cities reporting its first monthly gain in May (of 0.5%) for nearly three years."

http://network.hsbc.co.uk/blog-entry/Hsbc-Experts-Blog/Economic-News-Briefing/1700003293
 

CunningStunts

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
polls are bullshit, you really think obama will fix your health care and financial system ? You must be really naive to think so. The situation will not allow any kind of so called fixings over the short or the long run. Have the bail outs given something positive? Not as far as I know, they made the situation worse and the deficit bigger.

This.

Newsflash: The Government cannot solve your problems. At best, it can enforce rules to keep society tolerable, but that's about it.
 

titsrock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Yea right ! That's what everybody goes to medical school for to pick up a lowly government salary..... borrowed from china and saudi arabia.:1orglaugh :spin:

The last thing that doctors want in their way is government deciding how they can or can't treat "their" patients. I'm mean, this is so much folly, but hey, it's either going to make or break this president so they'll try anything to get it passed.

Why do you assume that doctors would earn "a lowly gov't salary" if Medicare became the Nation's Health plan?

They could actually make a SHIT LOAD MORE MONEY if pay was actually tied to performance....:dunno:

You need to stop having a 1950s view of America and American Gov't.
 
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