""90% of the guns in Mexico come from the U.S."

[ballzano]

Re: Repeat theme?

What does the media have to do with anything or did you forget to delete the "blame the media" from the default cartridge?

Speaking the same languages has less to do with it than where your cartel's foot hold is. Mexican cartels have no foothold in Colombia....and it's more about the US being a porous border away where they have numerous connections already.

Oh! geez........... where did this story come from? Obama, or the media?
(just took a stab at it). But since you know all, how do the Columbian cartell's get the cocaine to the U.S. (not through Mexico, that would be to easy) after all like you said something about a porous border(have you looked at a world map lately) Hmmmmm drugs from Mexico, Wow, that's weird! What would they have in common? Gosh i feel like the.....It's at the tip of my.......oh geez you have my vote for the "Darwin award"

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Repeat theme?

Oh! geez........... where did this story come from? Obama, or the media?
(just took a stab at it). But since you know all, how do the Columbian cartell's get the cocaine to the U.S. (not through Mexico, that would be to easy) after all like you said something about a porous border(have you looked at a world map lately) Hmmmmm drugs from Mexico, Wow, that's weird! What would they have in common? Gosh i feel like the.....It's at the tip of my.......oh geez you have my vote for the "Darwin award"

Usually by plane or boat....how did you think?? I mean, you didn't actually think they drove millions of dollars worth of product from Colombia did you?

 

[himperv203]

Hey why blame the US for it? If they dont buy it from the US they d buy it from someone else.

 

[Facetious]

Brazil is a major manufacturer of guns

Thank You, and so true, in fact, many firearm parts that were formerly investment cast in previous times are now metal injection molded in Brazil, to exceptional, precise and exacting standards, I might add.

Chances are that if you own a pistol that includes parts other than what is wholly machined from bar stock steel, your firearm has parts which were mfgd in Brazil.

 

[ballzano]

Re: Repeat theme?

Usually by plane or boat....how did you think?? I mean, you didn't actually think they drove millions of dollars worth of product from Colombia did you?

In stealth planes? the boats where did they go? to mexico?....where there gun's too?.... You said you knew.....

 

[Facetious]

This is a good one -

In 1998 I was running a railroad smuggling investigation. This investigation was being managed under a large-scale, multi-agency operation with the Union Pacific Railroad Police, the Burlington Northern Railroad Police, The San Bernardino Police Department and Customs. This operation had received OCDTF status from the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Los Angeles, CA. OCDTF - is a fancy government acronym for Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force. In this operation, we had very high-level information that tons of narcotics were entering the U.S. via pressurized rail tanker cars. We learned that there was a large rail yard in Guadalajara that was controlled by the Arellano-Felix Cartel, and this yard was on of the Cartel’s largest narcotics distribution points. In this yard, hundreds of these cars are loaded with narcotics each week destined for the U.S.

another exciting excerpt -

These tanker cars are the perfect instruments for a terrorist attack against the U.S. As our narcotics smuggling investigation has revealed, anyone with cash and phony identification can lease or sublease these cars using a front company as the importer/exporter of record. We were shocked as to just how easy it was for the Narco-traffickers to do this. Knowing the relationship that the terrorists have with the Narco-smuggling cartels, it is not a quantum leap to think that terrorist could easily copy the same modus operandi used by the Narco-traffickers. The terrorist would simply lease/sublease a tanker car and pay cash to set up an account with one of the major railroads. The Railroads and Customs brokers aren’t trained - AT ALL - to look for any type of terrorist profile. This is a customer service industry, pure and simple. The railroad employees taking these orders for accounts make minimum wage, and they are simply “customer service reps.” The Customs brokers aren’t much different. They are required to check almost nothing, have no training in this arena, and have no requirements to fully identify any of their customers.

continues

Makes you wonder . . Who IS on first ?
Who's on second ? Who's
on first again ? :updown:


:shocked:

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Repeat theme?

In stealth planes? the boats where did they go? to mexico?....where there gun's too?.... You said you knew.....

Uh, yeah..."stealth planes"

We just need to convince these Mexican officials who are apparently lying about where these firearms are coming from to stop lying.

I mean, of course they must know they are helpless to solve this problem if they keep lying to us and themselves about the facts...Although, I'm still not sure what Mexico accomplishes by making up facts concerning their problem with firearms.

Oh, they must be trying to set the stage for probable cause to invade us militarily if we don't stop the flow of firearms into their country.

 

[CADDYMAN]

Why not make more guns ?

Who gives a shit about mexico anyhow ?

 

[Facetious]

Mexico, last time I checked was the 12th wealthiest nation in the world ! Maybe if those fuggin elites in government would "share the wealth" some and build some infrastructure and create jobs, there wouldn't so much chaos down there.

They need our help

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Bet you don't think this is that post you want to rep lol.I'm not really responding to argue with your position on guns but have to say a few words on that.Even as a supporter of the 2nd amendment we probably wouldn't agree on anything about guns. Our widespread availabilty of legal guns no doubt has all kinds of bad side effects like the ones in this thread which points out that overwhelmingly the weapons used illegally in mexico came from the US. Or that also for us here at home that availability means a lot more carnage.I would point out that almost every illegal gun here started out as a legal one once.There is just no denying IMO these basic truths about guns.They make killing much easier then in places with less guns.And most gun crimes are by up to then law abiding citizens who got there guns legally.For every criminal that sticks up a liquor store and shoots the owner there is several cases of someone who took his gun and shot his neighbor he was arguing with or possibly one of his family members.Guns in the house don't really make ya safer,all the stats show that.But I still support the right even given all that.
But the real reason I responded was this thing about land given back to china.You can't be refering to Hong Kong by any chance? Because if thats what you mean you are really twisting history.It was sovereign land alright,it always belonged to China.The British had a 99 year lease (which was gained under duress probably lol).The lease ran out and control was returned.I'm sure when the brits signed the lease they were like hell 99 years thats long enough and well all be dead anyway by then so who cares lol.In all that how does Clinton and the US play any role really? And I have never seen anything that states ak-47s from china make their way to mexico in numbers.But then again I think some things the govt says are true occasionally and can be verified anyway unlike the guy you want to rep.

The land I speak of, is a port on the West coast, very near one of our largest navel bases. If the land is sovereign, we have no right to police it, and unless we search EVRY truck and car coming out of it, who knows what leaves it. As far as every gun starting out legal, of course they do, but A CRIMINAL, then STEALS it, and I AM the INNOCENT VICTIM of a crime, and SHOULD NOT HAVE TO, sacrifice my rights to stop it. In fact, how many guns are stolen from military/police forces? A majority your average private citizen doesn't a weapon convertible to full auto fire...and if you want pistols or shotguns outlawed, well, that's just crazy talk we can't have! As far as guns helping society, much like you will NEVER hear the news talk about a motorcycle accident survivor that DID NOT have a helmet on, or a terrible 10 car pile up survivor not having a seat belt on...the news RARELY, if ever points out that a gun saved the life of a shop keeper, or a home owner, so maybe you just don't know how many actually did good, because no one tells you. Just for argument, lets say EVERY gun in Mexico, came from here. Hows about punishing them, instead of us...why not keep them the fuck out, and not let them do business here? You still cannot give me ONE good reason why I, as a law abiding, tax paying, registered voter, should have to give up ONE SINGLE right, OR privilege, because of some lawless sack of filthy garbage...let alone a NON American, non tax paying, no voting, non citizen!

 

[Philbert]

The land I speak of, is a port on the West coast, very near one of our largest navel bases. If the land is sovereign, we have no right to police it, and unless we search EVRY truck and car coming out of it, who knows what leaves it. As far as every gun starting out legal, of course they do, but A CRIMINAL, then STEALS it, and I AM the INNOCENT VICTIM of a crime, and SHOULD NOT HAVE TO, sacrifice my rights to stop it. In fact, how many guns are stolen from military/police forces? A majority your average private citizen doesn't a weapon convertible to full auto fire...and if you want pistols or shotguns outlawed, well, that's just crazy talk we can't have! As far as guns helping society, much like you will NEVER hear the news talk about a motorcycle accident survivor that DID NOT have a helmet on, or a terrible 10 car pile up survivor not having a seat belt on...the news RARELY, if ever points out that a gun saved the life of a shop keeper, or a home owner, so maybe you just don't know how many actually did good, because no one tells you. Just for argument, lets say EVERY gun in Mexico, came from here. Hows about punishing them, instead of us...why not keep them the fuck out, and not let them do business here? You still cannot give me ONE good reason why I, as a law abiding, tax paying, registered voter, should have to give up ONE SINGLE right, OR privilege, because of some lawless sack of filthy garbage...let alone a NON American, non tax paying, no voting, non citizen!

He'll come up with something, don't worry...

I keep waiting for the legalization of reefer to enter the debate...remove the cash flow to the cartels in that area, and that's a start.
Keep the cash here, and concentrate on cocaine production and the poppy crops, and things might move along in hard drug control.
Nothing anyone can do will solve the entire drug problem, but remove a big part of the equation and free up money and personnel ...I'm waiting for reefer to be put back into who cares status.

 

[bustybbwlover]

You could be a collector or into sport shooting. Almost like asking, why someone would need a car that exceeds 180 mph if they didn't plan on violating speed laws and by extension, those cars should be banned. Because the only thing they're good for is breaking the law.

first off the car analogy makes sense, perhaps cars of that nature should have governors and guns of that nature fused firing pins

 

[Hot Mega]

first off the car analogy makes sense, perhaps cars of that nature should have governors and guns of that nature fused firing pins

Perhaps. But governed to what? The speed limit? But then that would be interfering with one's right to legally engage in speed competitions on private property. The same goes for firearms....

 

[Facetious]

You can get any thing you want provided there is a supplier and a buyer.

And here we are again blame _ _ _ _ _ _ _ First !

:spin:

:sigh: apologists

 

[Hot Mega]

Mexico, last time I checked was the 12th wealthiest nation in the world ! Maybe if those fuggin elites in government would "share the wealth" some and build some infrastructure and create jobs, there wouldn't so much chaos down there.

Maybe the so-called "fiscal conservatives" in their country are preventing that from happening.

 

[Facetious]

Maybe the so-called "fiscal conservatives" in their country are preventing that from happening.

Name 'em :dunno:






I'm just thinking, there must be a whole hell of a lot of CZ 52s down there lol !

 

[Hot Mega]

Name 'em

Why do I need to? I said, "maybe".

 

[Mr. Daystar]

He'll come up with something, don't worry...

I keep waiting for the legalization of reefer to enter the debate...remove the cash flow to the cartels in that area, and that's a start.
Keep the cash here, and concentrate on cocaine production and the poppy crops, and things might move along in hard drug control.
Nothing anyone can do will solve the entire drug problem, but remove a big part of the equation and free up money and personnel ...I'm waiting for reefer to be put back into who cares status.

The legalization of drugs is definitely a major part of it, but the Government makes to much money on the failed war on drugs to let it go. Plus, they haven't figured out how to reap all of the rewards and profits of legal drugs, while alleviating themselves of all of the responsibilities, and liabilities. But others have made a good point too, the leaders of Mexico have done nothing to help the situation either, and the corruption that runs rampant there, combined with their apparent, lackadaisical "hey, fix our problem, it's your fault" attitude, isn't going to stop this crap. But it all still comes down to one thing for me. I could care less where the guns are coming from...they're NOT MY GUNS. So don't expect me to sacrifice one single thing, because you're to lazy to figure out the right way to do it.

 

[Hot Mega]

I could care less where the guns are coming from...they're NOT MY GUNS. So don't expect me to sacrifice one single thing, because you're to lazy to figure out the right way to do it.

Did anyone ever ask one US citizen to sacrifice their rights because of this? If so, I missed that part.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Did anyone ever ask one US citizen to sacrifice their rights because of this? If so, I missed that part.

They're working on it...you don't wait until it gets to that point. Let them know up front, they need to look else where for the solution. You seem to think that it couldn't happen, or that there aren't people that want the TOTAL disarming of American citizens. I'm not willing to wait until it's to late. You keep going out of your way to point out that nothing has been asked, or happened...YET. But what about all of the talk about new legislation? Even if they couldn't get it to pass, that's irrelevant, they still WANT to try, that's enough for me. You don't wait until you're in an accident, to put on your seat belt, or cutting you 2x4 before putting on your safety glasses, don't be naive.