""90% of the guns in Mexico come from the U.S."

[Hot Mega]

They're working on it...you don't wait until it gets to that point.

Do you have any evidence beyond the normal rhetoric of some politicians? Can you point me to one fact that suggests firearms recovered in Mexico will have any affect on your rights to possess firearms here in the US?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Do you have any evidence beyond the normal rhetoric of some politicians? Can you point me to one fact that suggests firearms recovered in Mexico will have any affect on your rights to possess firearms here in the US?

That rhetoric is MORE then enough to raise a red flag for me. What in the hell are you talking about...one fact that points to Mexico and my gun rights? You really aren't serious with that comment are you? You can't really tell me, that you would wait until the Government is in the process of taking your rights, before you would start to fight for them. I get the feeling you're trying to paint me, and my points of view, as "just paranoid", or "making something out of nothing". Here are some links, they are from a local gun advocacy group in my area, some links, may have more then one story, or additional links, if you would like to take the time to point out my paranoid flawed theories AFTER you read them, please remember, I firmly believe, what I believe...you won't change my mind, or make me think I'm overreacting.
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4331/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4342/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4344/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4377/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4378/83/

EDIT:Another point I never brought up, but meant to. I wonder how many of the guns these drug cartels are using, came from corrupt Mexican police, and military? If they are being armed by the US, or the UN...they will have M16's, and other assorted American military weapons. How many of them are stolen from Mexican facilities, and police stations?

 

[Hot Mega]

That rhetoric is MORE then enough to raise a red flag for me. What in the hell are you talking about...one fact that points to Mexico and my gun rights? You really aren't serious with that comment are you? You can't really tell me, that you would wait until the Government is in the process of taking your rights, before you would start to fight for them. I get the feeling you're trying to paint me, and my points of view, as "just paranoid", or "making something out of nothing". Here are some links, they are from a local gun advocacy group in my area, some links, may have more then one story, or additional links, if you would like to take the time to point out my paranoid flawed theories AFTER you read them, please remember, I firmly believe, what I believe...you won't change my mind, or make me think I'm overreacting.
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4331/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4342/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4344/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4377/83/
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/4378/83/

EDIT:Another point I never brought up, but meant to. I wonder how many of the guns these drug cartels are using, came from corrupt Mexican police, and military? If they are being armed by the US, or the UN...they will have M16's, and other assorted American military weapons. How many of them are stolen from Mexican facilities, and police stations?

Good response. I don't hope to change what you believe as we're not far apart in our beliefs.

I just want to get beyond alarmist rhetoric (on both sides) to objectively look at the facts.

You've produced good evidence to support your claims, I've read them and I think your concerns are credible based on the links you've provided.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Good response. I don't hope to change what you believe as we're not far apart in our beliefs.

I just want to get beyond alarmist rhetoric (on both sides) to objectively look at the facts.

You've produced good evidence to support your claims, I've read them and I think your concerns are credible based on the links you've provided.

Good, now go spread the word elsewhere, our rights aren't going to preserve themselves.

 

[Hot Mega]

Good, now go spread the word elsewhere, our rights aren't going to preserve themselves.

I said, "your concerns were credible", I personally have no fear my rights will be infringed. Certainly, not based on what's going on in Mexico.

 

[Facetious]

Good, now go spread the word elsewhere, our rights aren't going to preserve themselves.

No They Won't

INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRAFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES, AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS

THE STATES PARTIES,

AWARE of the urgent need to prevent, combat, and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials, due to the harmful effects of these activities on the security of each state and the region as a whole, endangering the well-being of peoples, their social and economic development, and their right to live in peace;

CONCERNED by the increase, at the international level, in the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials and by the serious problems resulting therefrom;

REAFFIRMING that States Parties give priority to preventing, combating, and eradicating the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials because of the links of such activities with drug trafficking, terrorism, transnational organized crime, and mercenary and other criminal activities;

and if that wasn't enough

 

[pool_hustler]

and if that wasn't enough

:dunno:

Is there supposedly something sinster there that I'm missing somehow?

Are you an opponent of the Organization of American States?

Are you aware they also attempt to co-operate in addressing a number of other regional security issues such as human trafficking, terrorism, drug trafficking, territorial disputes, etc?

Do you mistrust the very clearly defined aim of combatting illicit manufacturing and trafficking?

As best I can recall, and I may be wrong, this treaty is at least 3 years old, perhaps older, as the convention itself was established at least 10 years ago.

Are you aware the OAS charter prohibits any member state from interfering with the internal or external affairs of any other member state, as reinforced in the paragraph immediately preceeding Article I in your linked document?

Did you miss this part of the convention's statement: "RECOGNIZING that states have developed different cultural and historical uses for firearms, and that the purpose of enhancing international cooperation to eradicate illicit transnational trafficking in firearms is not intended to discourage or diminish lawful leisure or recreational activities such as travel or tourism for sport shooting, hunting, and other forms of lawful ownership and use recognized by the States Parties"

 

[Facetious]

They're working on it...

Sure are. Atty Gen Holder does not believe that The Second Amendment is an individual right for starters.

 

[Facetious]

Is there supposedly something sinster there that I'm missing somehow?

Yes, propellant will be outlawed.

Are you an opponent of the Organization of American States?

I am an opponent of any additional rules & regs. with out enforcing the ones currently on the books

Are you aware they also attempt to co-operate in addressing a number of other regional security issues such as human trafficking, terrorism, drug trafficking, territorial disputes, etc?

Again, there's already laws on the books for this stuff, we need not congest the ambiance with layers of International crud.

Do you mistrust the very clearly defined aim of combatting illicit manufacturing and trafficking?

yes





International anything is a threat to America's sovereignty, not that it matters to many people these days.

 

[Hot Mega]

Sure are. Atty Gen Holder does not believe that The Second Amendment is an individual right for starters.

How will Holder affect existing law or new law for that matter beyond enforcing whats on the books??

 

[jewelcity]

Yes, true but 100% of the Mexicans in the United States at one time or another throughout history came from Mexico.

 

[bustybbwlover]

Yes, true but 100% of the Mexicans in the United States at one time or another throughout history came from Mexico.

excepting the ones from families here since the US acquired, took, or stole (depending on your perspective) the parts of california, nevada, utah, colorado, texas, new mexico, and arizona that used to be mexico. i don't think they so much came here as became here

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

excepting the ones from families here since the US acquired, took, or stole (depending on your perspective) the parts of california, nevada, utah, colorado, texas, new mexico, and arizona that used to be mexico. i don't think they so much came here as became here

It's a myth. It was not "their" land. No one was there to begin with. No one was there. The white man made something out of that land, whether you accept or deny that theory, the white man made it what it is. :hatsoff:

 

[Friday on my mind]

It's a myth. It was not "their" land. No one was there to begin with. No one was there. The white man made something out of that land, whether you accept or deny that theory, the white man made it what it is. :hatsoff:

No humans living in north and south america before whites,that will be news to the indians and then the spanish who came along later.I know people who are from Texas who are hispanic who can trace their families back hundreds of years back in that area.Texas and those some of those other areas were spanish well before english and other europeans came along.And of course there were the natives americans who lived in the country before anyone else came accross the atlantic and rocked their world.While whites may have become later the leading group in all those areas whicjh became later US states bbwlover is absolutely correct in saying they were once not the predominant people and that others have history that precedes that.

 

[Philbert]

No humans living in north and south america before whites,that will be news to the indians and then the spanish who came along later.I know people who are from Texas who are hispanic who can trace their families back hundreds of years back in that area.Texas and those some of those other areas were spanish well before english and other europeans came along.And of course there were the natives americans who lived in the country before anyone else came accross the atlantic and rocked their world.While whites may have become later the leading group in all those areas whicjh became later US states bbwlover is absolutely correct in saying they were once not the predominant people and that others have history that precedes that.

:rofl2:

I love it: PC history.
Hey...did you hear the latest rumor?
Spain has been found in Europe! No shit! Who knew?

Maybe you are referring to the Spanish conquerors/mass population exterminators who "took" over most of the Southern American landmass...well, don't forget the French who were brief owners of the Spanish throne before Santa Ana kicked them out (and we whupped his ass at San Jac).:thumbsup:

 

[Friday on my mind]

:rofl2:

I love it: PC history.
Hey...did you hear the latest rumor?
Spain has been found in Europe! No shit! Who knew?

Maybe you are referring to the Spanish conquerors/mass population exterminators who "took" over most of the Southern American landmass...well, don't forget the French who were brief owners of the Spanish throne before Santa Ana kicked them out (and we whupped his ass at San Jac).:thumbsup:

Wasn't me that forgot about the spanish among others but the person I was answering.He said nobody was there untill whites were(I know what kind of complexion he means lol) and the spanish and there decendants aren't them.He meant the more pale skinned europeans by whites.

And you must be refering to the throne of Mexico not the spanish throne.Yeah the french had maximillian there for a little bit,but not long lol.

 

[Philbert]

Wasn't me that forgot about the spanish among others but the person I was answering.He said nobody was there untill whites were(I know what kind of complexion he means lol) and the spanish and there decendants aren't them.He meant the more pale skinned europeans by whites.

And you must be refering to the throne of Mexico not the spanish throne.Yeah the french had maximillian there for a little bit,but not long lol.

Oh...my...God...you are correct, sir! I made a mistake!:eek:
Yeah, I did mean the Mexican throne...but it was a Spanish Royal thing, even though it was Mexico.
As for the Spanish...they were fair skinned Caucasians, for the most part. The vast majority of present day "hispanics" are from the mixture of the Aztec, Toltec, Mayan, Inca, etc, populations with the Spanish. Most deny any descent from the indiginas 'cause they are considered to be the lowest class in Central and South America.
Their treatment, even today, makes the Euro and North American history of racism seem like a centuries long tea party (the other kind, with tea and cakes).
I do have a bit of history with the Maya, and spent lots of time with folks who had a broader experience throughout Central and South America than myself,and most everywhere mirrored the situation of the indiginas I knew.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

No humans living in north and south america before whites,that will be news to the indians and then the spanish who came along later.I know people who are from Texas who are hispanic who can trace their families back hundreds of years back in that area.Texas and those some of those other areas were spanish well before english and other europeans came along.And of course there were the natives americans who lived in the country before anyone else came accross the atlantic and rocked their world.While whites may have become later the leading group in all those areas whicjh became later US states bbwlover is absolutely correct in saying they were once not the predominant people and that others have history that precedes that.

Well...how many people warrants a community? 5? 5 million? I guess we could get down to logistics of things like that, but whatever. :dunno:

 

[bustybbwlover]

It's a myth. It was not "their" land. No one was there to begin with. No one was there. The white man made something out of that land, whether you accept or deny that theory, the white man made it what it is. :hatsoff:

so all US land that has 'no one there' it is not US land? i'm making a country

 

[Hot Mega]

Guns bought in Houston through 'straw purchases' have been traced to dozens of murders in Mexico. One or two are purchased at a time, making them harder to track because of the sheer number of seemingly legitimate buyers who only buy a few guns from any given store.

One case that was tracked involved an individual named John Phillip Hernandez, who on July 12, 2006, walked into the Academy firearms dealer in Houston and bought a Beretta rifle and two Bushmaster rifles, according to case documents.

Seven months later, one of the guns was used in an attack on government offices in Acapulco, Mexico, in which four police officers and three secretaries were killed.

NRA OPPOSITION
To Mexican gangs, it's a logical flow. They carry tons of cocaine, marijuana and other narcotics, and also smuggle immigrants, from Mexico to Houston, a major U.S. drug distribution hub. On the return trip they cart back guns and ammunition, Webb said.

According to ATF gun-tracing data, 90 percent of the traceable weapons used in Mexican drug violence originated in the United States with Texas, Arizona and California the largest suppliers.

The National Rifle Association, the powerful U.S. gun lobby with 4 million members, disputes that figure and has campaigned aggressively against attempts to regulate the commercial transactions of U.S. gun stores.

Hmm, the NRA disputes that figure? What if any resources do the NRA employ to trace weapons confiscated from drug cartels in Mexico?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090529/us_nm/us_crime_guns_texas;_ylt=AriAdZ15.HVqQejXWkdn37hbIwgF;_ylu=X3oDMTJxYjRhMmp1BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwNTI5L3VzX2NyaW1lX2d1bnNfdGV4YXMEcG9zAzI1BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA21leGljb2NhcnRlbA--