jasonk282
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Actually there is not a single stopin the heartland of America.
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__________ = Communism!!
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Ace Boobtoucher
Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Pittsburgh isn't in the heartland.
I don't know why "progressives" believe that the democratic party is the party that cares about minorities. It was Republicans that pushed through Civil Rights in the 1960's despite opposition from LBJ and most of the democrats in Congress.
I won't mention Lincoln because he would have gone either way when it came to emancipation as long as it would have preserved the union (but he was a republican).
One of the most famous racist politicians in the U.S. was the democratic governor of Alabama, George Wallace. His famous line was: "In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."
I have been to a Tea Party event here in Las Vegas and there were people from both parties outraged at the lack of actual representation at the national level and the organizers made it abundantly clear that anyone wearing racist t-shirts or carrying racist signs were not welcome. And guess what? I didn't hear anyone say anything that could be construed as racist by anyone. As a matter of fact, a couple of the speakers were black and were as outraged as the rest of the assembly.
What happens when some asshole hippie protests the war or W. just on principle and someone disagrees with them? They invariably say that Thomas Jefferson said, "The truest form of patriotism is dissent (which is bullshit. The truest form of patriotism is to die for one's country. Jefferson was a pussy.). Why don't we who disagree with almost all of (N)Obama's plans for failure use that as a battle cry? Oh yeah. Because there is a valid reason to disagree with him and we don't have to pull a 230 year old quote out of our asses.
During WWII the congress put a freeze on pay raises and employers almost automatically started offering health insurance to valued employees in order to make up for the loss incurred. In the last sixty years people with decent jobs have almost taken for granted that their employers would provide health care for them and their families at little cost to them. The result of this arrangement has been to pass on the added cost of employee benefits to the consumer and driving up inflation in the process.
There is no simple fix for this issue but personal fiscal responsibility doesn't even fit into Barry Sotero's plans. He wants people to become even more dependent upon Uncle Sugar and further his socialist agenda.
I don't know why "progressives" believe that the democratic party is the party that cares about minorities. It was Republicans that pushed through Civil Rights in the 1960's despite opposition from LBJ and most of the democrats in Congress.
I won't mention Lincoln because he would have gone either way when it came to emancipation as long as it would have preserved the union (but he was a republican).
One of the most famous racist politicians in the U.S. was the democratic governor of Alabama, George Wallace. His famous line was: "In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."
I have been to a Tea Party event here in Las Vegas and there were people from both parties outraged at the lack of actual representation at the national level and the organizers made it abundantly clear that anyone wearing racist t-shirts or carrying racist signs were not welcome. And guess what? I didn't hear anyone say anything that could be construed as racist by anyone. As a matter of fact, a couple of the speakers were black and were as outraged as the rest of the assembly.
What happens when some asshole hippie protests the war or W. just on principle and someone disagrees with them? They invariably say that Thomas Jefferson said, "The truest form of patriotism is dissent (which is bullshit. The truest form of patriotism is to die for one's country. Jefferson was a pussy.). Why don't we who disagree with almost all of (N)Obama's plans for failure use that as a battle cry? Oh yeah. Because there is a valid reason to disagree with him and we don't have to pull a 230 year old quote out of our asses.
During WWII the congress put a freeze on pay raises and employers almost automatically started offering health insurance to valued employees in order to make up for the loss incurred. In the last sixty years people with decent jobs have almost taken for granted that their employers would provide health care for them and their families at little cost to them. The result of this arrangement has been to pass on the added cost of employee benefits to the consumer and driving up inflation in the process.
There is no simple fix for this issue but personal fiscal responsibility doesn't even fit into Barry Sotero's plans. He wants people to become even more dependent upon Uncle Sugar and further his socialist agenda.
bodie54
If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
Can someone else please enlighten Johnny as to who the Dixiecrats were, which political party represents their constituency today, how that came to pass, which political philosophy, liberal or conservative, Lincoln's republican party embraced, and why the modern republican party has nothing in common with Lincoln's except it's name? Cause I really don't have the energy to go over this for the ten thousandth time.
Galactic
Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
You are making a GIANT assumption, and are drawing an unfounded, dangerous comparison.......something that is happening a LOT these days.......
Ace Boobtoucher
Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
By the way, the people in that photo were probably democrats.
Friday on my mind
Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
As someone who was young but remembers LBJ as president I have to say you could not be be more wrong about the civil rights bills and his being the one who pushed them.He browbeat republicans and the the southern dems into it.I had posted here maybe a year ago a speech LBJ had made on the the issue to congress with my assertion it was IMO the greatest speech given by a Prez in my lifetime.You watch the speech and it is clear LBJ is one tough cookie who to his core beleives in the civil rights bills he is pushing.LBJ was a complex man who did some great things IMO like his civil rights work and some terrible things like his escalation in vietnam which unfortunately has defined his presidency.This is just a clip of his speech to congress on the voting rights act at youtube but there is a link there to the full speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxEauRq1WxQ
And I remember Wallace as well.Actually IMO Wallace was just using the isuue to score points and pander to whites at the time.He later renounced all the racist rhetoric he had used at the time.
While the south was democratic for the most part before the mid 60s civil rights movement,that all changed when LBJ signed the the civil rights bills.After that the southern white anti civil rights democratic polticians changed parties and the south became and has been since known as the "solid south" voting for republicans.Demographic changes in the south are eating away at that but they are still overwhelmingly "red" states.Thats when republicans abandoned being the party of lincoln.When people like Strom Thurmond of South Carolina who had been the unabashed racist candidate for the democratic presidential nomination in 1948 ( a "Dixiecrat" as bodie referenced).He had issues with Truman over the de-segregation of the military.By the mid 60s Thurmond and his ilk had all switched parties over what Johnson was doing which had been somewhat started by JFK.Thats when the republicans became the party of the white "backlash" against those civil rights advancements,and they have remained that since.
And just as a matter of hsirtorical accuracy the only major politician in america who got to the left of LBJ during that time on the civil rights issue was RFK.If RFK had only lived to be President instead of Nixon (not a terrible man,but a terrible presidency for reasons most of us know about) I just wonder how very different history may have been.
Facial_King
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
No, I'm not. I stated it with some clear limitations and reservations. Obviously, not ALL are the same, but plenty are. The right-wing has been happy to associate anything they don't like, for whatever reason, with Communism, for nearly 60 years now. It was Communism = Race-Mixing then, and it's Obamacare = Communism (and/or Fascism, and/or Nazism, and/or Islamofascism, or possibly all of them magically combined) today.
I wouldn't be surprised if many or most of them were. So what?
:dunno:
Facetious
Moderated
One commyczar exits ("vanjo"), thank you very much Glenn Bek 
while another enters.
How many czars in total is that now, 36 ? Have we reached new levels of incompetency in the Office of the President ? Yea we have.
I could accept for a president, democrat or republican, to appoint maybe 5 czars in total but this guy is... well ...up to something and it aint't good !
Welp, that's it for now .... I must attend to the evils of my personal employ at this particular time ... the greedy money grubbin, money hoarding capitalist that I am.:hatsoff:
Enjoy your Labor Day Afternoon off, fellows ............wait just a minute !
You guys have every afternoon off.
Seriously - You guys are fun
while another enters. How many czars in total is that now, 36 ? Have we reached new levels of incompetency in the Office of the President ? Yea we have.
I could accept for a president, democrat or republican, to appoint maybe 5 czars in total but this guy is... well ...up to something and it aint't good !
Welp, that's it for now .... I must attend to the evils of my personal employ at this particular time ... the greedy money grubbin, money hoarding capitalist that I am.:hatsoff:
Enjoy your Labor Day Afternoon off, fellows ............wait just a minute !
You guys have every afternoon off.
Seriously - You guys are fun
When you elect a moron which has done nothing for his own state, you get shitty results. I am not estonished that FK started this thread. What's exactly your problem with people opposing healthcare the implementation, FK? You think everyone would like to pay healthcare for fucking unwilling to work parasites? Absolutely not. Obmacare is shit and should be forbidden and impeached by all means.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
This is a terrible analogy, FK. Nice job of stirring the shit though! :thumbsup:
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You're like some wind-up toy that spits out the same vitriolic garbage every time it goes into action, Georges. Obama should be impeached? Once again, your credibility is zero when you make statements like that.
:1orglaugh
You're like some wind-up toy that spits out the same vitriolic garbage every time it goes into action, Georges. Obama should be impeached? Once again, your credibility is zero when you make statements like that.
Facial_King
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Well, I still don't see how it's so terrible (again, given, the limitations I set on it - like all generalizations, it's imprecise).
I've seen a LOT of Obama/Obamacare = Communism signs, and then we had these wankers back then calling "race-mixing" the same thing.
In both cases it's utter bullshit, and I contend that there's significant overlap between the people (either direct or familial) who spouted that ignorance then, and those spouting the ignorance today.
The vast majority of actual Communists in the US are rather unhappy with Obama...
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Ok well if your intention was to obtain a conditioned response then I'd say it worked to a "T". I've seen those signs too and I'd really hate to think that they are representative of your average American conservative. It's possible for someone to be against health care reform and not accuse Obama of being a communist.
There are extremists on both side of the equation.
Facial_King
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Oh, yes, yes, you're quite right. I see now what you were getting at; I probably wasn't clear enough. Honestly, HONESTLY, I wasn't saying that everyone opposed to the health care reform proposed by Obama is an ignorant racist. I WAS saying that those who oppose Obama and/or his health care reform (and with some of those protesting, it's hard to distinguish between their opposition to the policies - general or specific - and their opposition to Obama himself) and label it/him as "Communist" (see the thread title) probably overlap a good deal with the ignorant racists in the pic I linked to.
Hope that made things a bit clearer.
The vitriolic garbage are the bullshit fucking unrealizable promises obama made during his campaign and that he will never realize, want it or not. The democrat administration is filled with lot of garbage, want names? Pelosi, Rham, Clinton's bitch and Bernanke. What will you do if some day Obama is impeached? Take your handkerchief and mourn Daddy O??? Voting for an administration that is like a real steaming piece of dogshit is condemnable. This administration is condemned to fail.
Member2019
1,000 posts to go for my own user title!
In all honesty, are the Republicans any different? I agree that Obama not only said things he will not do, but even said things to please people knowing he could never do them (and people now try to "excuse" them as "oh, well he's done the least).
I honestly don't see anything that is remotely an Impeachable offense by Obama yet. Lying about what you're going to do to win the election is not impeachable, let alone there are far worse examples.
I'll give W. one thing, he did what he said he would do in many cases. And despite demonizations and the re-writing of history, he did get Congressional authority in rule of law to do things that other Presidents did without such law (and only Executive Order). But W. did push that law to the limit, and the Supreme Court showed him several times where he and his Executive power were in order.
That's far more of an Impeachable offense.
Although any Impeachment of W. would have been political, just like every Impeachment preceding has been in the history of the United States. It's about what the Senate wants to take issue with, regardless of guilty, responsibility or rule of law ... even on Nixon (although Nixon was very much a crook, and many people around the Clinton's during their first administration were as well). So any Impeachment of a President is hardly an indicator of how good/bad he is, just how much people blame him for things.
Andrew Johnson, a Democrat and in my opinion, one of the most wronged Presidents in our history.
And Hoover was hardly, solely responsible for the Depression, and many take issue with the fact that his actions would have helped at all. Even FDR's first four (4) years didn't make much of a dent, and people forget that as well. American economic cycles are easily over dozen years in the making, and how much the Executive itself can help or hurt is really not much.
I'll be the first one to point that out about Obama next year too.
Facetious
Moderated
Probably because the institution of communism has posed and continues to pose, albeit fractionally and clandestinely under the care and order of the teachers union, some of the greatest threats this nation has incurred over the last 60 + years.
"You can't see them therefore they don't exist" is for fools
Facetious
Moderated
I have often noticed a deafening silence on part of the libs when it comes to critiquing the institution of communism. Why I ask myself ? The communists are a hell of a lot worse than the capitalists when it comes to human rights and the individuals' ability to gain wealth if he or she should so choose.
In a capitalist system -> Apply yourselves and you shall be rewarded.
Is it a perfect system ? NO ! Are there abuses ...? Some.
In a communist order only a select few may gain wealth for themselves. a very few...
In a capitalist system -> Apply yourselves and you shall be rewarded.
Is it a perfect system ? NO ! Are there abuses ...? Some.
In a communist order only a select few may gain wealth for themselves. a very few...
Mrs Jolly
You can't have everything! Where would you put it?!
If by the "libs' you mean current left of centre democrats in the USA then I can't really comment, other than to say why would they be offering up critiques of communism when they are avowed capitalists in a liberal western democracy? It would be like NFL coaches taking valuable pre-season time out to run the rule over the latest developments in the Chinese Table Tennis Association. The time would be better served addressing the problems at hand and on which their careers in the real world depend.
Frankly, (if this the group to which you are referring - apologies if not) I am amazed that you are asking yourself such an obvious question.
On the other hand if by "libs" you mean the left in general then I have to point out to you that you couldn't be more wrong. The overwhelming majority of the critiques of communism have come from (and especially between) factions of he left. As I noted elsewhere; a grand tradition that was well under way before Karl Marx moved to Highgate.
Still thanks for little poli sci lesson there at the end. Usually to read something as deep and insightful as that I have to sit through a whole chinese meal first.
