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A War on Women

sean miguel

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Powers: Liberals attack female fighting misogyny
Kirsten Powers 5:11 p.m. EDT April 16, 2014



War on women alert: One of the most forceful fighters against misogyny in the modern era is under attack.

Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been a vocal critic of women's oppression under Islamic law. She's blasted arranged marriage, legally sanctioned domestic violence, genital mutilation, and the killing of adulteresses and rape victims. Despite being a supporter of abortion rights, an atheist, and an advocate of gay and women's rights, she is despised by many who claim to be defenders of women's rights. Over the years, they have worked to delegitimize her in the hopes that she will be silenced.

The latest effort was a successful campaign to pressure Brandeis University into withdrawing its offer of an honorary degree. Her offense? Expressing the wrong opinions.

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Hirsi Ali was raised Muslim. As a 5-year-old, she was forced into genital mutilation. At one point, she was beaten by a religious teacher until a rib broke.

At 22, she fled a forced marriage for the Netherlands where she became a member of Parliament. While there, she made a movie critical of Islam's treatment of women with her friend Theo Van Gogh. For this, he was murdered by an Islamic fanatic. [nobabe]The killer[/nobabe] stabbed a note into his chest addressed to Hirsi Ali. It promised her death.

Yet she continues to speak out. "It may be naive, stupid, irrational, but I'm doing this because I think that if I do, there'll be less honor killings, fewer little girls undergoing female genital mutilation like I did," Hirsi Ali told The Washington Post in 2007. In her best seller, Infidel, she recalled her time in Saudi Arabia, where she could hear the cries of neighborhood women being (legally) beaten by their husbands. But this life experience is no match for the "expertise" of liberal Westerners who seem to believe the problem is that Hirsi Ali just doesn't know how to keep her mouth shut.

Double standards

In reviewing her book, Nomad, Nicholas Kristof lamented that, "Hirsi Ali denounces Islam with a ferocity that I find strident. … Her memoir suggests that she never quite outgrew her rebellious teenager phase." Yes, if only she would be more demure in describing her own oppression. Guardian columnist Emma Brockes complained that in criticizing Islam, Hirsi Ali "is startlingly direct" and is "deliberately, almost narcissistically provocative."

Yet, when author Anne Rice announced she had "quit Christianity" because it was anti-gay, anti-feminist and anti-science, Brockes only wanted to know "what took her so long?" Speaking of "startlingly direct," Rice said, "(I) began to really study (Catholicism) and I found that it was not an honorable religion, that it was not honest."

So, condemning the Catholic Church and Christianity broad-brush is heroic. But a woman who breaks with and criticizes Islam is a mouthy, immature narcissist who must be silenced. Got it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...-misogyny-hirsi-ali-war-women-column/7782657/
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
Maybe you should read the entirety of Kristof's review, instead of passing judgment on an excerpt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/books/review/Kristof-t.html?pagewanted=all

Emma Brockes' interview hardly seemed like an attack.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/08/ayaan-hirsi-ali-interview

Brandeis University withdrew it's offer of an honorary degree because Muslim students protested, not liberals.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/0...anned-honorary-degree-for-islam-critic-ayaan/

Kirsten Powers needs to get her facts straight.
 

sean miguel

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Brandeis University withdrew it's offer of an honorary degree because Muslim students protested, not liberals.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/0...anned-honorary-degree-for-islam-critic-ayaan/

Kirsten Powers needs to get her facts straight.

Brandeis University in Massachusetts announced Tuesday that it had withdrawn the planned awarding of an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a staunch critic of Islam and its treatment of women, after protests from students and faculty.

More than 85 of about 350 faculty members at Brandeis signed a letter asking for Ali to be removed from the list of honorary degree recipients.

It wasn't just muslim students.
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
Less than 25% of the the faculty signed the letter, not exactly a rousing majority, and certainly they all have a right to their opinion, trying to generalize the premise into, "Liberals attack female fighting misogyny" isn't honest, too broad of a brush.
 

sean miguel

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Less than 25% yet the school administration acquiesced.

I'm just curious where in the politically correct hierarchy does women's rights and human rights in general rank for those on the left who would go after those who disagree over tax payer funded contraception as "waging a war on women" but when it comes to a religion that subjugates women worldwide and in the most brutal of fashion, there's not a peep, or worse, they attack those who call attention to it.

I guess they rank right below multiculturalism and religious tolerance (depending on what religion of course).
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
Less than 25%, that makes the administration cowardly for bowing to the pressure. Sure, they should have stuck to their guns, I don't agree with the people that have a problem with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, but Emma Brockes, and Nicholas Kristof aren't among them and trying to make a case based on those two examples is borderline stupid.

I'm just curious where you get the notion that "those on the left" "don't make a peep" when it comes to the abuses of Islam. You really should read Kristof's book review.

To those of us who have lived and traveled widely in Africa and Asia, descriptions of Islam often seem true but incomplete. The repression of women, the persecution complexes, the lack of democracy, the volatility, the anti-Semitism, the difficulties modernizing, the disproportionate role in terrorism — those are all real. But if those were the only faces of Islam, it wouldn’t be one of the fastest-growing religions in the world today. There is also the warm hospitality toward guests, including Christians and Jews; charity for the poor; the aesthetic beauty of Koranic Arabic; the sense of democratic unity as rich and poor pray shoulder to shoulder in the mosque. Glib summaries don’t work any better for Islam than they do for Christianity or *Judaism.

It’s true that public discussion in some Muslim countries has taken on a strident tone, full of over-the-top exaggerations about the West. Educated Muslims should speak out more against such rhetoric.

In the same way, here in the West, we should try to have a conversation about Islam and its genuine problems — while speaking out against over-the-top exaggerations about the East. This memoir, while engaging and insightful in many places, exemplifies precisely the kind of rhetoric that is overheated and overstated.

Attempting to compare an internal American political issue, tax payer funded contraception, with the very real human rights issue of religious abuses around the world is flawed logic, the two aren't remotely connected, and certainly wasn't a point trying to be made by Kirsten Powers in the article you originally quoted.

Nice attempt to score points with an argument that doesn't fit, unfortunately your logic is so flawed it doesn't hold water as anything more than a meritless partisan attack.
 

sean miguel

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Kirstin Powers (a staunch liberal, but an honest broker IMO) makes a devastating point by citing Kristoff and Brocke's reviews, mainly, it must be awfully convenient to pontificate on the appropriate discussion to have about islam when you're in no danger of having hate mail pinned to your chest with a knife and in Emma Brocke's case, you have an intact clitoris (presumably). In other words, who the fuck are they to lecture Hirsi on anything about islam? She lived it. She actually read what that beautiful koranic arabic says. Actually, girls aren't allowed to read so she had it read to her between beatings.

And you don't see the irony of groups on the left using rhethoric like "a war on women" when there's a real war on women that none of them are decrying? I understand the administration and the state department not going there because of our fucked up strategic interest with the Saudis but feminist groups like Code Pink or NOW have absolutely nothing to say on the matter. After all, you don't want to be labeled an islamophobe.
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
I am completely unaware of Code Pink or NOW's positions on the abuses Islamic women suffer, as I am not a member of either group. Would you like me to research the topic for you? I'll write some letters/emails or make some phone calls to clarify exactly where they stand, if you like. I don't assume that a lack of coverage or that I can't possibly be informed of every move every organization makes at all times means that they "have nothing to say on the matter", do you?

Kirsten Powers has as many conservative musings as she does liberal, yes, I'm well aware of her history prior to joining Fox News, however, since she's been in their employ she has become one of their favorite "liberals" to throw to when they need a good smack down of other liberals.
 

sean miguel

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I am completely unaware of Code Pink or NOW's positions on the abuses Islamic women suffer, as I am not a member of either group. Would you like me to research the topic for you? I'll write some letters/emails or make some phone calls to clarify exactly where they stand, if you like. I don't assume that a lack of coverage or that I can't possibly be informed of every move every organization makes at all times means that they "have nothing to say on the matter", do you?

Really? Because I'm well aware of Code Pink's position on the Iraq War or NOW's position on abortion, gun control or the gender pay gap and I'm not a member of either group either. Nice logic, Spock. But you know what you can do with your sneering condescension.
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
Well that's great, but what you left out is how aware you are of their respective positions on the abuses Islamic women suffer from their own religion. Also, I'm curious where you get that I'm being condescending, I was sincerely offering to find out for you, it's pretty obvious that you don't know.
 

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xfire;8333516Kirsten Powers has as many conservative musings as she does liberal said:
How dare you accuse news as being entertainment. News is always fair and balanced. Pundits have a high standard of personal integrity. The thought of any of them being punching bags for a paycheck is unimaginable.
 
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