American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Tre

[sidewinder101]

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The letter to the President from the Veteran Service Organizations is linked here.

http://www.dav.org/news/documents/LettertoPresidentObama.pdf

 

[sidewinder101]

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haha, a huge story! But you know what, people in the U.S. just have no passion about anything like this. If you were to post an article about a 500 pound man eating hotdogs out of a trough then You Might get lucky and penetrate their minds, but this...well good luck.

Just look at the vets living homeless on the streets, or the ever expanding private prison industry! People do not care! They do not comprehend! They are helpless consuming drones!

Your right most veterans are used up castaways look at Russian Vets.

 

[sidewinder101]

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The VA follows federal law and the code of federal regulation that steers the VA medical system and what is and what is not service connected medical conditions and conditions that are aggravated by military service is 38 CFR so this Public law would require change by congress too. I was retired from the USAF on a disability (Medical) retirement I served 18 years 9 months and six days of total federal service. Although I am a disabled veteran and rated at 80% service connected conditions I don’t use the VA medical care at all at Central Texas Veterans Health Care Systems (CTVHCS) the service is lousy your treated like a number and disrespected by VA staff all the way around and I feel like I am in a cattle stall. Instead I use my Retired Military health care program Tricare Prime. I see a civilian doctor that accepts Tricare Prime (Or I could go out to Fort Hood and see a Military treatment Facility Army Doctor) so with Tricare I pay my annual premiums and deductibles. I really feel sorry for the Vets that did not earn a retirement and really soly on the VA so called health care treatment.

 

[don_equis]

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No one or very little people care about us veterans, after all is our fault that we signed in. But most of the same people are the same one like over here in Colorado who are advocating for free health care for illegals and free college education...kinda like an upside down country.

 

[interceptor666]

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why should the government aka. the tax payers, have to pay for your medical procedures that are not incurred in the line of duty and are not insured? If I don't have insurance and I break my leg in a mishap with some spilled KY jelly, then should the government pay for it? maybe in a socialist "hell", but not in America. what's the difference? Veterans should get free benefits for life? I am not sure, but I don't think that is part of the deal.

I think a lot of these people have a chip on their shoulder and they make me sick. I hear so many people saying that they want to join the military so they can get free college and all these benefits. I say what's the difference between you and a crackhead on welfare? What ever happened to 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?" If you really believed that you were fighting for freedom, you should do it for free- get it?

I'm all for cutting spending on the wasteful pissing match that is the US military, and maybe it will keep a bunch of dumb 18 year olds from joining up and getting blown to shit in the middle east.

But for the veterans that were already promised those benefits, especially for the ones that were drafted and forced to fight, they really should be paid and it would be wrong to deprive them.

Word.
You get hurt ON THE JOB its one thing. If it leaves you disabled then thats another story....but I think thats a different system that takes care of you if your disabled.

Now if your out of the military and you break your dick on some fine ass when you slipped....*ouch!* I do NOT want to be the one to pay for that.

The new pres. has some decent plans but I think the execution of the plans are a bit half baked.:dunno:

No one or very little people care about us veterans, after all is our fault that we signed in. But most of the same people are the same one like over here in Colorado who are advocating for free health care for illegals and free college education...kinda like an upside down country.

I advocate a free bullet for illegals......If the wanted to join this fine country then they should go to the immigration office and become a citizen.....But thats another topic...

 

[sidewinder101]

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I have come to the Conclusion that Life is not fair.

 

[calpoon]

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Cal... Please do not dismiss or dishonor those of us that have served or are currently serving in the Armed Force by calling it a "wasteful pissing match that is the US military".

The 9 years I served as a US Marine were some of the proudest moments of my life.

I consider praise or blame based on an individual's merit. I think the military feels that same way, which is why people have ranks of position. Just because someone is the military or any organization, doesn't automatically earn my respect.

Now that doesn't mean I have anything against people simply for that reason either. Some of my best friends are in the military.

My personal feeling is that the military should only be used for active defense of the nation against a foreign attack, and aiding our allies in the same endeavor, not in invasions to overthrow governments and occupy other nations that may or may not be a potential threat. And I feel that especially the war in Iraq is one that we should not have been involved in and has been a waste of money and lives.

 

[stampede2873]

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I consider praise or blame based on an individual's merit. I think the military feels that same way, which is why people have ranks of position. Just because someone is the military or any organization, doesn't automatically earn my respect.

Now that doesn't mean I have anything against people simply for that reason either. Some of my best friends are in the military.

Okay, that's understandable. I can respect that.

My personal feeling is that the military should only be used for active defense of the nation against a foreign attack, and aiding our allies in the same endeavor, not in invasions to overthrow governments and occupy other nations that may or may not be a potential threat. And I feel that especially the war in Iraq is one that we should not have been involved in and has been a waste of money and lives.

I have to agree, unfortunately many Presidents have done this. I hate to say this, but Clinton was the most in the most recent past to make an end run around Congress. He sent the US Military on UN sanctioned "police" actions. He deployed the military 3 times more in his 8 years that it deployed since Americas inception.

Because of him, I got to go to Haiti and pass out MRE's, I went to Somalia and stood around and just "watched", and I went to Bosnia and spent 6 months on a ship just sitting off the coast. Great way to spend taxpayer money.

So okay, now I understand what you meant.

 

[scooter]

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If the Celebrity In Chief wants to give American vets the finger, he should formally (in writing) forfeit any right to any protection from them. This means:

no military protection while overseas or stateside

privatization of Air Force One and all its support staff (tax dodgers will apply in droves)

no more salutes from loyal military personnel

no protection from the inevitable lynch mobs when the American public finally gets fed up with his ridiculous crap

 

[stampede2873]

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If the Celebrity In Chief wants to give American vets the finger, he should formally (in writing) forfeit any right to any protection from them. This means:

no military protection while overseas or stateside

privatization of Air Force One and all its support staff (tax dodgers will apply in droves)

no more salutes from loyal military personnel

no protection from the inevitable lynch mobs when the American public finally gets fed up with his ridiculous crap

If I could give it right now....

REP FOR YOU!!

 

[scooter]

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If I could give it right now....

REP FOR YOU!!

If libs think Bush was the worst president ever, Obama will be setting an entirely impossible standard to surpass.
BTW, did you hear about Bush's speech in Canada? Like him or not, he is incredibly classy. People asked about his opinion of Obama. He said there were already plenty of critics in the arena and that "he deserves my silence". I wonder if Jimmy Carter and Bill Horndog Clinton are listening...

 

[bodie54]

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BTW, did you hear about Bush's speech in Canada? Like him or not, he is incredibly classy. People asked about his opinion of Obama. He said there were already plenty of critics in the arena and that "he deserves my silence". I wonder if Jimmy Carter and Bill Horndog Clinton are listening...

As if Bush has any room to dispense criticism? omg..... :rofl2:

Gotta love the bitter enders. They are myopic to a fault, and have absolutely no shame

I'm quite sure what that piece of crap realizes is that to criticize anyone in the wake of his disastrous presidency.....eight years in which my beloved country was dragged into the cesspool that is neoconservatism.... would be the very height of folly and hypocrisy.

Give him credit for not further embarrassing himself; nothing more.

 

[Philbert]

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As if Bush has any room to dispense criticism? omg..... :rofl2:

Gotta love the bitter enders. They are myopic to a fault, and have absolutely no shame

I'm quite sure what that piece of crap realizes is that to criticize anyone in the wake of his disastrous presidency.....eight years in which my beloved country was dragged into the cesspool that is neoconservatism.... would be the very height of folly and hypocrisy.

Give him credit for not further embarrassing himself; nothing more.

You, sir, show the lack of class that typifies Bush Bashers.
He could've said a lot of crap, Dems and Republicans alike are starting to jam Obama's ass now; give some credit where it's deserved.
George isn't the Devil, he's an exPresident and has a definite spotlight on him anywhere he goes.
Not criticizing Obama shows the same class McCain had when he conceded the election...respect for an opponent.
I realize that it's not an understandable concept to you, but the great men and women of this world often show this ability.

 

[bodie54]

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As far as Clinton goes, I agree he has zero grounds to criticize others if the subject involves character issues.

 

[bodie54]

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You, sir, show the lack of class that typifies Bush Bashers.

You sir, show the typical myopia and lack of shame that typifies Bush apologists.

And...nice attempt at deflection, but sorry, we aren't discussing mcCain here.

However, since you brought it up.....on more than one occasion on this board I have given Senator McCain major props for his respectful concession speech. Though at the same time one is troubled by his bipolarism re Obama prior to that moment.......on the one hand praising him as a good man and one not to be feared.......on the other hammering away at his association with a known terrorist......all the while tacitly approving the deplorable campaign tactics of his running mate.

I realize that it's not an understandable concept to you, but the great men and women of this world often show this ability.

Oh dear, I am truly cut to the quick by your laser-like analysis of my wanting character :rofl2:

 

[Philbert]

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You sir, show the typical myopia and lack of shame that typifies Bush apologists.

And...nice attempt at deflection, but sorry, we aren't discussing mcCain here.

However, since you brought it up.....on more than one occasion on this board I have given Senator McCain major props for his respectful concession speech. Though at the same time one is troubled by his bipolarism re Obama prior to that moment.......on the one hand praising him as a good man and one not to be feared.......on the other hammering away at his association with a known terrorist......all the while tacitly approving the deplorable campaign tactics of his running mate.



Oh dear, I am truly cut to the quick by your laser-like analysis of my wanting character :rofl2:

And you show again your lack of vision, as I am not now nor have I ever been a Bush apologist. Nothing to deflect, McCain was an example, something used to demonstrate a point. Kind of a conversational simile...are you attempting to deflect criticism of your rabid Bush bashing?
Taking credit for doing the right thing isn't much of an argument showing how fair minded you are; both John and George deserve credit for showing real class and restraint...you just can't resist denigrating someone you don't like.
You put your lack of character on display, I don't need to analyze it at all...it's right there.

 

[Member2019]

It's time to stop talking about W.

Just like it was time to stop talking about Clinton a few months into W.'s administration, even though the economy was clearly going to shit at the end of 2000 (the surplus argument is rather pathetic when people make it when you look at the real deltas and resulting trends from mid-1999).

It's Obama's administration to do whatever it desires. So far, it's been doing a pretty shitty job of doing what it said it will do. The lobbyists, pork, the balancing of entitlements to soldiers versus illegals, etc... If the Obama administration wants to differentiate itself, it needs to start putting the Democratic party in its place when it's wrong just like it does in blaming the Republicans. Until then, the only positive thing I've seen out of the Obama administration is a criticism of the NEA. But that's about it, especially given all the rhetoric without any substance.

I'm not really interested in pointing fingers back at W. any more. In the same regard, I'm not interested in Republicans trying to say Obama is worse either. Let Obama be evaluated on how he handles what has been given to him. I'm hopeful his next month is much better than the actions in his first two. But given what Clinton did in his first 100 days, and utterly went against what his campaign promises were, I'm not hopeful.

 

[bodie54]

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You put your lack of character on display, I don't need to analyze it at all...it's right there.

Interesting.....

You were full of praise for my character when I agreed with you about Israel's right to strike back against the depredations of Hamas.

Your selective judgement (a character weakness to be sure) has been duly noted.

 

[Philbert]

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Interesting.....

You were full of praise for my character when I agreed with you about Israel's right to strike back against the depredations of Hamas.

Your selective judgement (a character weakness to be sure) has been duly noted.

Once again you confuse one incident with another...a good post on one subject deserves "praise", and a serious lack of manners in another receives the same praise, even if in another direction.
Your description of GW was extreme, unjustified, and silly...he could have said anything he wanted and suffered no pain or remorse for it. He didn't diss Obama and deserves respect for his class in doing so...not more extreme Bush bashing rhetoric.
Your lack of judgment (a character weakness to be sure) has been duly noted.

 

[sidewinder101]

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No matter what is said in these posts laws need to be changed so that a retired military veteran can collect BOTH there military retired pay from DEFAS (Defense Accounting and Finance) and if awarded a disablity pension from the VA together without offset no matter how they are retired from the service. Veterans that collect 100% disablity from the VA are allowed to collect social security so why is it that a disablity retired veteran that served less than 20 years of service not be allowed to collect a disablity pension from the VA and retirement from the Military ? If you dont want to help veterans then please ignore this post. If you do then I would like to hear sugestions ? Senators Mcain and Feingold said this is double dipping I say B.S.