And now... they come for YOU

[hedonis]

Sure, you were excited when those evil smokers got theirs, and the government's jackbooted thugs rolled in to tax and ban them from existence. You cheered, you laughed, you thought "serves those dirty bastards right!" But now, I'm afraid, they've come for you, drinker of sugary soft drinks...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html

You have a choice- you can start voting these oppressive, money-hungry sons of bitches (regardless of party) out of office starting in 2010. Or, you can continue to give them your money, willingly or not, for whatever cause they want to burn it for.

Pick out ONE thing the federal government has fixed to the point where you've said "Man, they sure do a good job at that!" Or one federal program that is run with such efficiency, your faith in them is strong.

Social Security is said to have been broken for a long time- it's been an election issue for almost a decade. Guess what... not fixed.

And this is who some people want running medical care for everyone.

Astounding. Ominous. Because after they have jacked the price of a 20 ounce soda in the US to $3 or $4 each, they'll find whatever it is you love, and they'll tax the shit out of that, too. Porn? The internet? Fast food? Meat? Your own vegetable gardens? Remember a few years ago when they wanted to make multi-vitamins controlled substances?

It absolutely will not stop with these folks until we fire each and every one of them over the next couple election cycles. We need term limits, and REAL bans on lobbyists. And a federal government about 1/3 the size it is now.

Sick of this shit


H

 

[Torre82]

::reads the article and laughs::
That guy from 'Supersize me' is wearing a fucking huge joker type smile when he reads that.

Unhealthy, overcaffeinated people unite! Oh wait, Bob's running late cuz he had to stop at starbucks for his caffeine therapy. Hold on a minute. Hey you guys in the back, are you on withdrawal from your mountain dew? DANGIT! Someone get them some jolt gum or something, stat!

 

[hedonis]

::reads the article and laughs::
That guy from 'Supersize me' is wearing a fucking huge joker type smile when he reads that.

Unhealthy, overcaffeinated people unite! Oh wait, Bob's running late cuz he had to stop at starbucks for his caffeine therapy. Hold on a minute. Hey you guys in the back, are you on withdrawal from your mountain dew? DANGIT! Someone get them some jolt gum or something, stat!

So EVERYONE that drinks soda or coffee is unhealthy?


And that's hardly the point. This is just another federal grab at everyone's money. And hey...

If I want to be unhealthy, and drink gallons of the shit every day- that's my choice. I should pay the price with higher health insurance premiums, not have my life mandated to me by politicians.

Funny how when it comes to abortion, it's "Get the government out of my body! It's my choice!" But THIS is ok? Smoking bans are ok?

Don't worry, eventually they'll find something you love, and they slap taxes on that in the name of some great and noble cause that they can't really sustain.

H

 

[Torre82]

Oh I know they will. They'll take my alcohol and I'll simply pay for it. Thru the nose. Like everyone else.

Will people be mad? Always. Will they unify, pick up arms and take back their country? Hell no.

Soo.. you enjoy your right to drink whatever. Call it overtaxation, call it the price of liberty. Call it whatever. But nothing's going to reverse until some breaking point far, far ahead of a 'soft drink tax'.

It's not that I fully disagree with you, it's just that .. well it's like watching Monty Python's the Life of Brian.

They sat around debating what they should and should not demand. You want the right to have a baby, even though you're a male? It's not about how impossible it is.. but you should have the right to have one, just in case.

If we postpone a soda tax, it'll just be slipped in somewhere else. I prefer being stabbed in the front, so to speak.

 

[Friday on my mind]

While I would totally agree with you on being against the regressive so called sin taxes and maybe a curb on lobbyists (the problem is that would probably be found unconstitutional) thats about all I would agree on.

First off terms limits is a silly idea IMO.We already have them ,there called elections.If people really think someone has been there too long its easy ,don't vote for him/her again.The other problem is I beleive it would be unconstitutional (without an amendment) to have a national law on term limits.So what you might end up with is the more conservative states passing term limits and states like mine not.That would be really an advantage for my state as our guys would have senority over the newbies,you wouldn't want that lol.

2nd is the idea that the govt can't do some things better than the private sector like the one you mention health care.The govt run health care systems are much more efficient with a lot less administrative costs then the private insurers have.Thats why all the other countrys with single payer sytems spend 1/2 per capita what we do and even have universal coverage to boot.

3rd is I bet we would not agree where the govt should be cut dramatically.I think the defense budget is by far the biggest unaccountable place where money is wasted.You willing to see that cut dramatically?

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Paranoia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbAZVw3_7A

 

[boobfan]

How much caffine, salt, or sugar is healthy or unhealthy is not a fixed number. It is based on a persons body weight, type, metabolism, and size along with physical activity.
Unfortunatly we are stuck with these idiots who vote to increase government spending, increase taxes for everyone (read the fine print of what is going to be considered taxable income), push investors overseas where they won't be taxed (to China) and then they have to tax the people for everything (even those smart enough NOT to vote for them) in hopes that they can at least pay the interest on the debt they are racking up. All while the same politicians live like royalty, don't have to pay any tax on the money they earn because they are paid via annuities and can chose to actually take taxable ammounts or not.

 

[Facial_King]

I think Social Security and the federal highway system work quite well, for starters.

RE: Social Security, I recommend this as a solid read:
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&bookkey=34017

I feel no outrage at some proposed soda tax.

Nor would I if they DID tax porn and the revenue went to some pornstar retirement or health program or the like...

I don't think the melodramatic language (They're coming to get you! "jack-booted thugs"??? Please.) really helps to make the case, either. Of all the major problems the US faces at the moment, I can't see this as being among them, and trying to play Paul Revere, that the "liberal fascists" are coming, just doesn't strike me as very serious.

 

[boobfan]

While I would totally agree with you on being against the regressive so called sin taxes and maybe a curb on lobbyists (the problem is that would probably be found unconstitutional) thats about all I would agree on.

First off terms limits is a silly idea IMO.We already have them ,there called elections.If people really think someone has been there too long its easy ,don't vote for him/her again.The other problem is I beleive it would be unconstitutional (without an amendment) to have a national law on term limits.So what you might end up with is the more conservative states passing term limits and states like mine not.That would be really an advantage for my state as our guys would have senority over the newbies,you wouldn't want that lol.

2nd is the idea that the govt can't do some things better than the private sector like the one you mention health care.The govt run health care systems are much more efficient with a lot less administrative costs then the private insurers have.Thats why all the other countrys with single payer sytems spend 1/2 per capita what we do and even have universal coverage to boot.

There already is a Term limit law
22nd Amendment I see no issue with just expanding it to include all elected and appointed excutive and legislative officials.

If you think our government can run healthcare more efficently than the private sector you obviously have never had to deal with Medicare or the Veterans Administration. Our Government has absolutly no business in the healthcare business. The VA has actually had to partially privatise a great deal of thier services because of the mass iinefficiency like limb and joint replacement procedures and therapy/recovery programs.
My father a freaking retired General just because he is 65+ years old still whenever he has to go to the doctor has to wait an HOUR for a nurse or a PA to fill out medicare forms on a computer and wait for a computer program to 'decide' how to proceede instead of a doctor. This process is only going to get worse with commities of accountants (not Doctors) being set up to make decisions, after that is 'accomplished' the system will be go to the doctor fill out medicare forms wait 2 weeks for a decision from the accountants then if they approve go back and see a doctor.
Yea France has a wonderful socialised system so much so it is bankrupting the country.

 

[titsrock]

Lots of government programs operate effectively. Some operate ineffectively (like Education) but that doesn't mean they no longer have use for society and need to be tossed aside. They need to be fixed. They need to be fixed FREE FROM LOBBYIST INPUT!

Government is what unites Americans. Granted, when government fails or becomes corrupt, there is nothing which irritates people more.

I would not want to live in a nation of racist, classist "unabomber militia" types which is basically the vision that the GOP offers today...

I have no problem whatsoever with taxing "soft drinks" or sodas, etc. Obesity is the most pressing drain on the healthcare system. We have to do something about it because obesity is ruining our country--we're eating garbage, we're using up excess resources as we cloth, bathe and feed our ever-increasingly fat bodies.

This is one area we can't expect help/guidance from the corporations. They don't give a fuck. They just want to empty your pockets.

We must make our own decisions about our health and happiness and standard of living.

 

[tiger1977]

We must make our own decisions about our health and happiness and standard of living.

And that is the problem. We do not need the government to tell us what we do/don't need.

 

[Facial_King]

Funny how when it comes to abortion, it's "Get the government out of my body! It's my choice!" But THIS is ok? Smoking bans are ok?

First, I think you're oversimplifying the breakdown of opinions. Not everyone who is pro-choice will necessarily approve of this soda tax or the smoking bans. You're comparing a controversial medical procedure to a ban on a personal habit/addiction that can have a health impact on everyone surrounding the addict to an excise tax on soda.

Don't worry, eventually they'll find something you love, and they slap taxes on that in the name of some great and noble cause that they can't really sustain.
H

I love my income, and they tax that to fund an elective, unnecessary, counterproductive, pre-emptive war based on sexed-up, bogus intelligence, and I was told the war was prosecuted to defeat evil-doers and spread liberty and democracy - so is that an example of them "slap[ping] taxes on that in the name of some great and noble cause that they can't really sustain"???

 

[Elwood70]

Paranoia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbAZVw3_7A

Thanks.......this is so fucking awesome......

 

[D-rock]

I don't like the idea of taxes to try to keep people from doing an activity or getting an item that is legal that others don't like. What I wouldn't mind however is if a tax was put on unhealthy food and all the money that came from that, instead of going into the governments general revenue stream, would all go into subsidizing healthy food that usually cost more to make it cheaper so more people that are poor can more easily buy it and have that be an option for them.

 

[bustybbwlover]

i smoke and enjoy energy drinks....constant duking! i just can't be unhealthy anymore i'm being taxed out of it!

 

[Torre82]

And that is the problem. We do not need the government to tell us what we do/don't need.

Oh for fuck's sake, OF COURSE YOU DO! The whole point of 'society' is to put a government in place that speaks and works for the people. As much as people hate it or want to believe in a half-anarchy.. without government, just who the hell is going to watch out for you? The corporations? The local police? YOURSELF?!

Government always has a place, because people NEED to be told what to do. It doesnt matter whether they believe in the cause. It doesnt matter how much anger they're holding against the government, they'll listen, and follow, and faithfully defend their government.. AKA their country against *all enemies, foreign and domestic*.

For all the anti-government rhetoric on this board, who has actually done a damn thing AGAINST the government? Did you blow something up? Did you kill a congressman? Pfft, posting an angry thread on a porn board doesnt change anything.

 

[Will E Worm]

Sure, you were excited when those evil smokers got theirs, and the government's jackbooted thugs rolled in to tax and ban them from existence. You cheered, you laughed, you thought "serves those dirty bastards right!" But now, I'm afraid, they've come for you, drinker of sugary soft drinks...

H

Trans fats, smokers, soda/ pop.

They will go after alcohol next.

Repeal the trans fat and smoking laws/ bans and stop them from making new oppressive and unconstitutional laws. They only have so much power and telling you what you can and can't put into your body isn't one of them.

 

[boobfan]

Oh for fuck's sake, OF COURSE YOU DO! The whole point of 'society' is to put a government in place that speaks and works for the people. As much as people hate it or want to believe in a half-anarchy.. without government, just who the hell is going to watch out for you? The corporations? The local police? YOURSELF?!

Government always has a place, because people NEED to be told what to do. It doesnt matter whether they believe in the cause. It doesnt matter how much anger they're holding against the government, they'll listen, and follow, and faithfully defend their government.. AKA their country against *all enemies, foreign and domestic*.

For all the anti-government rhetoric on this board, who has actually done a damn thing AGAINST the government? Did you blow something up? Did you kill a congressman? Pfft, posting an angry thread on a porn board doesnt change anything.

If I wanted that kind of Governement control over my life I would go live in China. Funny thing is there I would make more money in Hong Kong because I would actually be taxed less.
My Great Great Grandfather, Great Grandfather, Grandfather, Father and I did not put on uniforms and defend this country to see the values of our founding fathers get tossed asside by the uneducated or improperly educated products of the Carter administrations US Department of Education indoctrination program.

 

[bustybbwlover]

seriously tho if taxing my smokes and my energy drinks was the worst thing my government did this year, i'd be pretty fucking amazed

 

[calpoon]

I gotta agree with torre on this one. they are going to dick you out of your money in any way shape or form that they can, if the process incidently makes people healthier, then I guess that's at least one plus. Besides, the opposite end of that spectrum is all the unhealthy people who get sick and then cost the tax payers that money when it's taken out of the healthcare system, because let's face it, pretty much no one can afford to pay for that.