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Are there any of you here that voted for Obama that now regret it?

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
This is not a question intended to poke fun at those of you that did. And I understand that when you consider the person that ran against him why some of you voted the way that you did. That is pretty much the way I feel about GWB. I regret like hell that I voted for him but when I consider the other choices I had (Gore and Kerry) I know why I voted for him. Knowing what I know now, I would have just sat those two elections out.

So if any of you that supported Obama have had a change of heart, I would like to know what exactly has he done to cause it.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I voted for him and I would reluctantly do so again considering the alternative (considering major parties only that is). Due to the gridlock in congress and the total idiocy and childishness on both sides of the aisle, I'd prefer to go libertarian or green party if I truly voted my conscience. Instead, I try to go for the lesser of the evils which, in present times, will always be a democrat for me. As long as the extreme elements continue to dominate the republican party and stand for things like restricting the rights of American citizens based on their gender or sexual orientation and the imposition of christian tenets on the American public, I will never be able to support them. Remember Barry Goldwater's (a true conservative if ever there was one) famous quote:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

His prophecy has sadly come to pass. It's truly a sad state of affairs when the only real choices you have are bad and worse. I therefore choose bad. What a fucked-up mess we are in in this country!!
 

BlkHawk

Closed Account
Copyright law and Internet freedom. ACTA, Sopa, and several others were extremely far reaching. They could have severely disrupted the Internet, and allowed many sites to be blocked without any legal recourse. I'm not talking pirate sites, but any site with any form of user submission. NSA also pisses me off. I didn't vote for the second term, and when I voted for him in 2008 it wasn't because I supported him, it was because Sarah Palin terrified me. I had never cast a vote for a Democrat president, but she scared me that much. I usually vote a third party.
 

E-Ann-Hilden

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
Hindsite, I thought his first term was decent. I was close to vote for McCain until he picked Palin. The stimulus plan, in my thoughts did more good than harm. Many solid economists thought the same. He was in a storm those first few years, I dont know Keynesian or Austrian School was the better pitch. My industry has recovered very well. 2nd term, I voted over Romney. If Romney ran MA past and record, i would have considered him more. Obama's 2nd term has been lackluster, little done, too many fiasco's and still stalemate on both sides. He is stuck between Progressives and Traditonal Republicans along with the Tea Party. He has handled it poorly!

I think he is only a little better than 'W" these days, the Iraq War is still worse than the Affordable Care Act handling wise and not in the same league. But he is a overall disappointment!
 

zeeblofowl_1969

I don't know and frankly I don't care.
The choice was a clear one on both occasions.
Put somebody up on the GOP side that does not exude slime and we will see.
Never have voted party lines and never will.
 

Lacey Black

When I grow up I’m gonna be a mod
Official Checked Star Member
I voted for him twice and no I don't regret voting for him either times. He ran on ending wars, lowering the defense budget, steps toward health care for everyone, taxing wealthy people that have more money to give rather than the middle class, equal rights for the LGBT community, and less harsh laws on drug offenders. All things I still believe in. I do think a lot of his choices once in office have been a disappointment to people on both sides but I do believe he was by far the lesser of two evils.

When I say lesser of two evils I mean McCain choosing palin as his vp was a horrible decision to get more votes from women, and I also did not agree with his opinions on the defense budget, the LGBT community, and immigration. Fast forward to last year and I feel Romney was a liar that flip flopped the entire time he was running, he wanted to raise the already inflated defense budget, had no plans for health care, wanted to continue to give tax breaks to people like himself that are very well off, and was a devout mormon which I believe would have shaped his political decisions once in office.

If the republicans were smart they would have chosen Ron Paul as their nominee, while I don't agree with all of his polices I do believe he would have really brought some change to the white house and mixed things up more than either candidate and I probably would have voted for him last year.
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
I don't regret voting for him at all. Despite the obstructionists he's had to deal with in Congress he's had a great deal of success and a long list of accomplishments. If I allowed myself to be led around by the far-right pundits I might feel differently, but I'm not stupid enough to listen to liars.
 
I dont regret voting for him because of the alternative choices we had. McCain would have kept us in Iraq and Afghanistan and we would more than likely be at war with Iran by now and surely would have bombed Syria. He also had someone tremendously under-qualified in Palin.

Romney would have been great for businesses and very bad for the average American and he too would be one quick to jump into the fray of situations like Syria which would have been very bad. Because of GW Bush we are already hated in the Middle East and that would just sink us with the rest of it as well as strain our relationship with Russia. We don't need Russia getting cozy with oil rich countries as our enemy. That would be a very bad idea.

I think Obama has done an okay job on some things and a shit poor job on others. He should have demanded a single payer health system, period. He should have made marijuana legal on a federal level and he should have certainly gotten us out of Afghanistan in his first term. That is a losing argument over there. Let that be Bush's legacy but now he's made it as much his as anyone else's which is a shame.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I voted for him twice and no I don't regret voting for him either times. He ran on ending wars, lowering the defense budget, steps toward health care for everyone, taxing wealthy people that have more money to give rather than the middle class, equal rights for the LGBT community, and less harsh laws on drug offenders. All things I still believe in. I do think a lot of his choices once in office have been a disappointment to people on both sides but I do believe he was by far the lesser of two evils.

When I say lesser of two evils I mean McCain choosing palin as his vp was a horrible decision to get more votes from women, and I also did not agree with his opinions on the defense budget, the LGBT community, and immigration. Fast forward to last year and I feel Romney was a liar that flip flopped the entire time he was running, he wanted to raise the already inflated defense budget, had no plans for health care, wanted to continue to give tax breaks to people like himself that are very well off, and was a devout mormon which I believe would have shaped his political decisions once in office.

If the republicans were smart they would have chosen Ron Paul as their nominee, while I don't agree with all of his polices I do believe he would have really brought some change to the white house and mixed things up more than either candidate and I probably would have voted for him last year.

I am afraid that Ron Paul being the nominee would have made the landslide of 2008 look like a nail biter. I like him and his economic policies are gold.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I voted for him and I would reluctantly do so again considering the alternative (considering major parties only that is). Due to the gridlock in congress and the total idiocy and childishness on both sides of the aisle, I'd prefer to go libertarian or green party if I truly voted my conscience. Instead, I try to go for the lesser of the evils which, in present times, will always be a democrat for me. As long as the extreme elements continue to dominate the republican party and stand for things like restricting the rights of American citizens based on their gender or sexual orientation and the imposition of christian tenets on the American public, I will never be able to support them. Remember Barry Goldwater's (a true conservative if ever there was one) famous quote:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

His prophecy has sadly come to pass. It's truly a sad state of affairs when the only real choices you have are bad and worse. I therefore choose bad. What a fucked-up mess we are in in this country!!

My feelings exactly.

My issue with Romney was more to do with his work as a private equity vulture. Not all of them are 100% bad, but I have no love for them. Generally, they do not build companies as much as they bleed companies. Although I told my current employer during the initial interview that I would not have even taken the interview if they were still owned by a private equity firm (too much prior history dealing with that ilk), being there in the aftermath of the rape and pillage that took place has meant an amazing and lucrative opportunity for me. And I had no use for Ryan because I didn't agree with his social ideology or political philosophy. Reading over his budget ideas also meant that I would never support a ticket that had him on it. Deregulate and cut taxes (for the super rich) is hardly an original idea. If the GOP nominees had been Chris Christie and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, then my decision likely would have been much, much tougher.


I am afraid that Ron Paul being the nominee would have made the landslide of 2008 look like a nail biter. I like him and his economic policies are gold.

Pun intended? :D I've always found Ron Paul to be rather interesting, in a quasi-Ross Perot sort of way. But I'm not certain how practical or well thought out many of ideas are. At some point, in order to effectively govern, you have to have the ability to present practical solutions, not just criticize what's on the table now - simply eliminating the Fed and moving to the gold standard are ideas that suggest that he may not truly understand or fully appreciate economic history and unintended consequences. Apart from his theories and some rather fascinating speeches, I'm not sure that Ron Paul could really get done what needs to be done. But now, I don't know. I would say the same of Steve Forbes, who I also find very interesting. Even if I don't completely agree with everything they're saying, I'm inclined to listen more to people who focus more on economic issues and less on social issues, opposing the ones who pretend that they care about fiscal issues (my biggest issue with the TEA Party), when it's social issues that they are truly wrapped up in.

Much like my recent vote for Terry McAuliffe for Governor of VA, my two past votes for Obama have had more to do with who I did NOT want to see in the White House (no Palin... no how, no way!!!) more so than who I did want. I have a number of issues with Obama and his style of dealing with conflict and problems. I also do not care for his tendency to get involved in micro social issues at the expense of more serious domestic issues that affect the greater nation. He has made no attempt to develop or implement a longer term manufacturing policy. He has made no attempt to develop or implement a longer term education policy. These are two issues that are rather near & dear to me. And I'm disappointed that he would rather focus on things like gay marriage than anything to do with domestic manufacturing or education (which would benefit people who are gay too). But I suspect that under a Romney Administration, since he had so much trouble articulating any sort of broad economic plan (much less get into specifics), I would be even more frustrated.

So, as seems to be happening more and more these days, I chose the less ugly of the two ugly sisters that were presented to me. And since the uglier one hasn't gotten any prettier, no reason to think that I would go back and change my choice now.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I voted for him and I would reluctantly do so again considering the alternative (considering major parties only that is). Due to the gridlock in congress and the total idiocy and childishness on both sides of the aisle, I'd prefer to go libertarian or green party if I truly voted my conscience. Instead, I try to go for the lesser of the evils which, in present times, will always be a democrat for me. As long as the extreme elements continue to dominate the republican party and stand for things like restricting the rights of American citizens based on their gender or sexual orientation and the imposition of christian tenets on the American public, I will never be able to support them. Remember Barry Goldwater's (a true conservative if ever there was one) famous quote:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

His prophecy has sadly come to pass. It's truly a sad state of affairs when the only real choices you have are bad and worse. I therefore choose bad. What a fucked-up mess we are in in this country!!

My feelings exactly.

My issue with Romney was more to do with his work as a private equity vulture. Not all of them are 100% bad, but I have no love for them. Generally, they do not build companies as much as they bleed companies. Although I told my current employer during the initial interview that I would not have even taken the interview if they were still owned by a private equity firm (too much prior history dealing with that ilk), being there in the aftermath of the rape and pillage that took place has meant an amazing and lucrative opportunity for me. And I had no use for Ryan because I didn't agree with his social ideology or political philosophy. Reading over his budget ideas also meant that I would never support a ticket that had him on it. Deregulate and cut taxes (for the super rich) is hardly an original idea. If the GOP nominees had been Chris Christie and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, then my decision likely would have been much, much tougher.


I am afraid that Ron Paul being the nominee would have made the landslide of 2008 look like a nail biter. I like him and his economic policies are gold.

Pun intended? :D I've always found Ron Paul to be rather interesting, in a quasi-Ross Perot sort of way. But I'm not certain how practical or well thought out many of ideas are. At some point, in order to effectively govern, you have to have the ability to present practical solutions, not just criticize what's on the table now - simply eliminating the Fed and moving to the gold standard are ideas that suggest that he may not truly understand or fully appreciate economic history and unintended consequences. Apart from his theories and some rather fascinating speeches, I'm not sure that Ron Paul could really get done what needs to be done. But now, I don't know. I would say the same of Steve Forbes, who I also find very interesting. Even if I don't completely agree with everything they're saying, I'm inclined to listen more to people who focus more on economic issues and less on social issues, opposing the ones who pretend that they care about fiscal issues (my biggest issue with the TEA Party), when it's social issues that they are truly wrapped up in.

Much like my recent vote for Terry McAuliffe for Governor of VA, my two past votes for Obama have had more to do with who I did NOT want to see in the White House (no Palin... no how, no way!!!) more so than who I did want. I have a number of issues with Obama and his style of dealing with conflict and problems. I also do not care for his tendency to get involved in micro social issues at the expense of more serious domestic issues that affect the greater nation. He has made no attempt to develop or implement a longer term manufacturing policy. He has made no attempt to develop or implement a longer term education policy. These are two issues that are rather near & dear to me. And I'm disappointed that he would rather focus on things like gay marriage than anything to do with domestic manufacturing or education (which would benefit people who are gay too). But I suspect that under a Romney Administration, since he had so much trouble articulating any sort of broad economic plan (much less get into specifics), I would be even more frustrated.

So, as seems to be happening more and more these days, I chose the less ugly of the two ugly sisters that were presented to me. And since the uglier one hasn't gotten any prettier, no reason to think that I would go back and change my choice now.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
So you and Rey as much as you two would have liked to have seen him won, have basically spelled out why he never had a chance. He just couldn't get on the same page with people that would have otherwise supported him. Myself included.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
So you agreed with every single policy Romney had? Because you supported him. If you don't agree with one thing that is enough to make you not vote for someone?

Romney didn't espouse any deal breakers for me. Paul's foreign policy is and always has been problematic for conservatives.
 

Lacey Black

When I grow up I’m gonna be a mod
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Romney didn't espouse any deal breakers for me. Paul's foreign policy is and always has been problematic for conservatives.


Paul's foreign policies are the definition of conserve. As in conserve money, protect the US, disassemble the empire we have built, and let people protect themselves. Why in the world do we need 50,000+ troops in Germany? Or 25,000+ troops in South Korea?
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Paul's foreign policies are the definition of conserve. As in conserve money, protect the US, disassemble the empire we have built, and let people protect themselves. Why in the world do we need 50,000+ troops in Germany? Or 25,000+ troops in South Korea?

For the same reasons we rely on a global economy. We now have interests all over the world, this isn't 1935. Paul's foreign policy philosophy is straight out of the Pat Buchanan school of isolationism. These soldiers are on the payroll and we don't need them all in the United States. As soon as the U.S. starts making wholesale withdrawals in certain parts of the world, things will start flaring up. And the countries that we keep a presence in, for the most part want us there.
 

Lacey Black

When I grow up I’m gonna be a mod
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For the same reasons we rely on a global economy. We now have interests all over the world, this isn't 1935. Paul's foreign policy philosophy is straight out of the Pat Buchanan school of isolationism. These soldiers are on the payroll and we don't need them all in the United States. As soon as the U.S. starts making wholesale withdrawals in certain parts of the world, things will start flaring up. And the countries that we keep a presence in, for the most part want us there.


See this is the problem with "conservatives" you aren't consistent. You say you want less government and more personal responsibility yet you support a huge jobs program for the poor. Yes we have interests all over the world but we have to be parked there waiting for...what? Germany is going to "flare up"? I don't think so. And of course some of the countries want us there, we are giving them military aid so they can spend less on it themselves and spend more money on things like education and healthcare. Things we should be spending more money on here.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
See this is the problem with "conservatives" you aren't consistent. You say you want less government and more personal responsibility yet you support a huge jobs program for the poor. Yes we have interests all over the world but we have to be parked there waiting for...what? Germany is going to "flare up"? I don't think so. And of course some of the countries want us there, we are giving them military aid so they can spend less on it themselves and spend more money on things like education and healthcare. Things we should be spending more money on here.

Are you calling the U.S. military a "huge jobs program for the poor"? Really? How offensive and demeaning to our service members. Oh! we are being very consistent in the matter of the military because the constitution calls for and mandates it. This thread wasn't started to become a pissing match like you are trying to turn it into. It seems that you have no grasp of the fact that a presence or "being parked" as you call it is a deterrent to aggression in many instances. Something breaks out in some part of the world, it is a lot easier and quicker to deploy troops from Germany than it is from Ft. Bragg. Not to mention the hospitals we have at bases like Weisbaden where medi-vac units can arrive faster and could save a soldier's life.

Ask the communities around these bases in other parts of the world that benefit economically from our presence if they want us to fold our tents.

But you don't seem to be able to discern bigger government social programs from a constitutional mandated military.
 

wdoall

My hand is my best friend!
No, because I still think Mitt would have been much worse. It was a choose your poison, both were not good choices
 
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