Australia & International Students.

[pussy+dickdenice]

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=47095

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...attacked-in-Melbourne/articleshow/4652254.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...bound-Indian-students/articleshow/4649761.cms

http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/13/stories/2009061358550100.htm

http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/12/stories/2009061259741300.htm


Latest:
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2594296.htm


Considering the spate of violence targeted towards one particular community, why do you think it is happening?

What is your view? How to stop this?

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

If you don't mind pd, you have started a stu*** thread. No one is going to contribute. It's not the husbandly prerogative of wife bashing. But truth.

The phenomena is economic. People feel threatened of their lively-hood. so they resort to the only weapon they have. Superior mass-strength and superior physical strength. It's brute force at it's worst. Not the mental strength, which is in lesser supply.

And why so much in Australia? Think of origination of the colony and you have your answer.

And why only Australia? Is it not happening in UK & USA too?

dd, :2 cents:

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

And why so much in Australia? Think of origination of the colony and you have your answer.

dd, :2 cents:

I hope you are intelligent enough to understand that past has nothing to do with the present. The hot headed bull that you are, I apologize on your behalf.

 

[TheOnlyOne69]

why are you talking on behalf of yourself?

 

[Wainkerr99]

Ignorance, racial sense of superiority, fear, anger, lack of education.

Racism was quite deeply ingrained in the Australian mind until recently. According to Wiki after 1930 law started changing toward the treatment of Aborigines.

In South Africa black on black violence is very disturbing. The Zulu considered himself superior to the Shangaan long before White people arrived. They only exacerbated the problem. They also fought fierce battles against Sotho and Xhosa about 125 years after the Dutch arrived in Cape Town. They had been fighting on and off before then, but under Shaka in 1725 became obedient to his bloodthirsty revenge spree.

To this day Zulus still regard themselves as superior. Of course now Jacob Zuma is President, there is finally hope for reconciliation.

I heard of a young South African who had his eyes gouged out somewhere in London by British youths 'because of apartheid'.

I played at a gig once in Dubai. Some British guy was standing next to me making jokes about Blacks as being stupid.

Same old same old. Spend money on education, not war.

http://bizlinks.wordpress.com/2008/...-the-black-on-black-violence-in-johannesburg/

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

why are you talking on behalf of yourself?

This is off topic. But to clear up a misunderstanding.

Pussy Denice and Dick Denice are two different persons.

I, Pussy (pd), is a moderator and regular contributor on the board. Dick, my husband, is another member. We operate on one single account because of Board Rules.

My signature is red ink, where as Dick (dd) writes normally.

pd

 

[blake]

Coming from an Australian.

The attacks in Melbourne on Indians are happening in poorer areas where there is more of a crime problem. It is not racial in that it is always whites on indians, most of the attacks are coming from pacific islanders, lebanese, aboriginals as well as whites.

Unfortunately criminals have figured out that the Indian students often have money and laptops/ipods etc and are not well known for size, strength or fighting, understandable since they are often outnumbered anyway.

Australia, like it or not, struggles with racism just like britain, the US and europe. People who don't consider themselves racist and would never call somene a ****** have no problems calling indians "curry munchers, pakis etc".

Most australians are horrified by the attacks, but there are 5-10% of any society who are scum, junkies, racists, violent etc.

Some of the attacks may be racial, most are just crime on a target which they think is soft. Islanders are big, other races organise into groups and retaliate to attacks and are known for extreme violence when provoked, whites have the majority. At the moment criminals see Indian students as a soft target. The police should be doing more and will now that media spotlight is on.

 

[Galactic]

This is off topic. But to clear up a misunderstanding.

Pussy Denice and Dick Denice are two different persons.

I, Pussy (pd), is a moderator and regular contributor on the board. Dick, my husband, is another member. We operate on one single account because of Board Rules.

My signature is red ink, where as Dick (dd) writes normally.

pd

Holy hell....not only is that really confusing to us, the mere humble readers/contributors, but is this not also a conflict of interests? And are you really two different people, or is this a case of MPD? My head hurts......

 

[Gordar]

Holy hell....not only is that really confusing to us, the mere humble readers/contributors, but is this not also a conflict of interests? And are you really two different people, or is this a case of MPD? My head hurts......

It's always been like this & most older users got used to it rather quickly (of couse, DD used to post a lot more back then, so it was a bit easier to get used to... (*hint* *hint* ))

Anyway, back to topic....

Even though blake has already pointed out that this technically isn't a case of racism but just a matter of picking an easy victim, people are becoming less tolerant towards eachother by the minute it seems.

In the Netherlands the PVV of Geert Wilders won a huge amount of votes at the last elections (the European elections) & even though in the Flanders het Vlaams Belang lost some votes, they're still the 2nd biggest political party in Flanders (the dutch speaking part of Belgium, for those people who don't know what Flanders is). In Germany neo-Nazis are becoming more active again since years and in Russia it seems that racists already rule the streets (never been there, so this is only hearsay).

I don't remember if it's in the Czech Republic or Slovakia, but in one of these two countries there have already been protests against Hungarians (Hungary is their neighboring country) who 'took their jobs'.

I'm pretty sure India itself isn't entirely free of Racism either. I honestly doubt conflicts like the one in Kashmir have a positive effect of the relations between Hindus and Muslims.

Luckily we're still talking about minorities, but these minorities are becoming larger every day.

Who knows, we might be heading towards WWIII. Most of the intolerance is aimed at Muslims (and the most disturbing part is, in this case it's also the other way around) and unlike the Jews in WWII the Muslims have their own nations and are capable of defending themselves...

 

[satyrsam]

Coming from an Australian.

The attacks in Melbourne on Indians are happening in poorer areas where there is more of a crime problem. It is not racial in that it is always whites on indians, most of the attacks are coming from pacific islanders, lebanese, aboriginals as well as whites.

If you read the local news you would know that "most" of the attacks come from whites. ( "most" meaning more than any other group.)

Unfortunately criminals have figured out that the Indian students often have money and laptops/ipods etc and are not well known for size, strength or fighting, understandable since they are often outnumbered anyway.

That is racial profiling from your part. Indian students do not have any more money or electronic toys than any other ethnic group. In fact according to recent statistics from The Australian, white female students have more money, laptops and iPods.

Australia, like it or not, struggles with racism just like britain, the US and europe. People who don't consider themselves racist and would never call somene a ****** have no problems calling indians "curry munchers, pakis etc".

Actually Australia is the only country that was formally part of the British Empire that continues to create new racist policies and remove protections.
The northern intervention

From a part time Australian.

 

[blake]

If you read the local news you would know that "most" of the attacks come from whites. ( "most" meaning more than any other group.)

I do, it seems they may be different to yours.

That is racial profiling from your part. Indian students do not have any more money or electronic toys than any other ethnic group. In fact according to recent statistics from The Australian, white female students have more money, laptops and iPods.

I never said they had MORE, just that they did have such things and that until recently, could be robbed relatively trouble free unlike other targets, where revenge or police action seemed more likely. So spare me the buzzwords and try to reply to what I've actually said, even if it doesn't fit the point you are just itching to make.


Actually Australia is the only country that was formally part of the British Empire that continues to create new racist policies and remove protections.
The northern intervention
As I said, Australia struggles with racism like alot of other countries, I don't think articles written by fringe political parties of any leaning lend any particular weight to an argument. I think the Northern Territory Intervention, correct, or misguided as the case may be is a reflection of frustration and despair at decades of ignorance, indifference from the community at large, failed policy by both major parties and complete failure of many Northern Territory aboriginal communities.

From a part time Australian.

Perhaps you haven't noticed the Indian students protesting police indifference and chanting anti-lebanese slogans?

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

Considering the spate of violence targeted towards one particular community, why do you think it is happening?

What is your view? How to stop this?

May I please request all to generalize the problem. It's not Aussy vs Indians. As Gordar said, even dd, that the problem is world wide, in one form or other. Each nation has this problem. Why it is so high now? Is it only economics or our social values are degenerating? How do we get this out of our system? What can reduce this stress from the society?

No, we are not in a path finding mission, but will awareness of the situation reduce the problem?

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/PIL-in-SC-seeks-govt-intervention-to-stop-racist-attacks-against-Indians/articleshow/4668214.cms

PIL in SC seeks govt intervention to stop racist attacks against Indians
18 Jun 2009, 0130 hrs IST, TNN

NEW DELHI: A public interest petition filed in the Supreme Court on Wednesday asked that the Centre should engage in pro-active diplomacy to stop
racial attacks against Indian students in Australia.

The PIL petitioner Ranbir Yadav, through counsel D K Garg, apprised the apex court of the statistics -- the 97,000-strong Indian student community comprises 18% of the total international student population in the country of which over 47,000 are enrolled in Victoria alone.

Giving details of racist attacks on Indian students, the petitioner said "there were 36,765 victims of crimes such as robberies and assaults, of which 24,260 were Caucasian and 1,447 were of Indian origin".

Globalisation of education and a large number of Indian students enrolling in foreign universities every year needed a sensitive approach from the Indian government, which should through diplomatic channels take steps to ensure that the Australian government and other foreign countries took adequate measures to protect the Indian students from such attacks.

"Despite the early technical and educational training programmes developed through the Commonwealth Colombo Plan in the 1950s and 1960s, education has not been a prominent feature of bilateral relations of India with other countries," the petitioner said.

It accused the Union government, including the ministries of external affairs and HRD, of being mute spectators to the racial attacks against Indian students in Australia despite local police officials categorically stating that these attacks were racially motivated.

Seeking the apex court's intervention in a larger picture, it said with an increasing number of Indian students seeking to enroll in a large number of offshore educational institutions, the government should be directed to prepare a list of recognised foreign universities and colleges so as to prevent the Indian students from being duped later.

Australia ensures safety of Indian students

Bold mine. It appears ( of which 24,260 were Caucasian and 1,447 were of Indian origin)only 4% of attack targeted towards IO students, its a social problem and not a racial problem as is perceived by us.

 

[Facetious]

In the Netherlands the PVV of Geert Wilders won a huge amount of votes at the last elections . . .]

I have heard Wilders speak on numerous occasions about the future impending dangers ahead, not only on behalf of the Nederlands, but for the entire western world and I must say that I agreed with what he had to say. He sounds like a perfectly rational Dutch nationalist / preservationist to me.

Isn't he (Wilders) officially banned from enterring the UK ? :rofl:

I get so sick of certain governments', my own included, selectively banning people for merely giving their opinion. All it takes is one trojan horse false objector to scream "hate speech" and the party is over. Where did all of this hypersensitivity come from ? I am of the opinion that people get along much better when there are no (or very few) limitations in our ability to freely express ourselves.