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Battlestar Galatica 6-13-08

blackbull1970

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The season finale was on last night and they found Earth.

I dont want to give too much away for people who did not see it, but what is your theory (for those who seen it) on what they saw?

I for some reason I think they are in Earth's past...like way in the past before the ancient Egyptians.

Peace.:cool:
 

titsrock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I think there's one more ep actually...we still have to find out who the 5th Cylon is. Last night's ep was E P I C....it left me with sweaty chills and a steamy in my shorts...

BSG is the fucking shiznit. Here's a spoiler alert!!















((SPOILER: I think it's Post-apocalyptic Earth actually...))
 

deb41

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Its not Earth

There are 10 episodes left to air in 2009
 

No_Man

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I for some reason I think they are in Earth's past...like way in the past before the ancient Egyptians.

I believe the very last shot just before the credits was supposed to be New York City. They had a large, demolished city in the background and a bridge that looked remarkably like the Brooklyn Bridge. Also, the Geiger counters they were carrying indicated a nuclear bomb. I think the implication was supposed to be that this was Earth in either the near or distant future after a nuclear war.

Now the question becomes, what happened? Did the "13th tribe" destroy itself? Did Brother Cavil and the other half of the Cylons get there first and nuke the whole planet? Did the 13th tribe already pick up and move somewhere else? Is this all an illusion or deception to keep them from the truth (i.e. like the death of Starbuck)?

Also, one thing I realized was that Starbuck has fulfilled the prophecy of the Hybrid. She was the "harbinger of death." She found the transmission in her Viper and led them to a dead planet. Just an observation.
 

titsrock

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^^^Yup. It's Post-Apocalyptic New York (a nod to Planet of Apes) and you're right to wonder WHEN did it happen....I thought it was strange that when they jumped to Earth they didn't either scan for "Humans" or pickup any Human activity...

If the 5th Cylon isn't Balter or Starbuck...who is it?

It looks like Roslin is going to die in the next episode too...Roslin or Lee Adama...
 

hedonis

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Cool, now that they found earth, just like the original series, now this rendition of BG can have it's own version of "Galactica 1980".

Who can they get that will be as cool as Wolfman Jack?


Ah... Clay Aiken.

H
 

obiwan

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The fifth cylon is not on the fleet. D'Anna said there were only four there. I'm guessing they will find the fifth one on Earth.

My theory on the 'Starbuck is the harbinger of death' claim by the hybrid is that when she went to Earth, not only did she travel far across space but also back in time somehow (remember her claim that she was only gone a few hours vs the fleet's perception that it had been months). The final five cylons were the ones that the thirteenth tribe (i.e. us) had developed and that they co-existed, maybe in some kind of uneasy truce on what we know as present day Earth. Then one day Starbuck's viper appears in the sky and all hell breaks loose down below. The cylons think it's the humans up to no good and vice versa. Nuclear war breaks out and everyone is wiped out save a handful of survivors. Upon realizing their mistake, they send four of the five cylons to the twelve colonies to bring back humans and cylons to help repopulate Earth. The four are 'reset' en route to blend in with the colonial population, leaving some kind of 'Restore' trigger in the Ionian Nebula to reactivate them when they are returning in order to help bring the colonials the rest of the way.
The refrain of "All this has happened before and will happen again" refers to how the holocaust on Earth happened in the past but Starbuck going there will make it happen 'again'.
 

deb41

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The 12 Cylon model = The 12 Lords of Kobal
 

titsrock

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obiwan: Good theory...seems to fit but I can't get my hands around the timeline of events according to your theory. Humans are sent off to create the 12 Colonies of Kobol and the 13th Tribe tries to get them back by sending sleeper cylons? Hmm. It's cool but perhaps too complicated. It basically means that the Cylons would've double-nuked humanity, in essence...?

The key to the series is that line..."All this has happened before and all will happen again" I do agree with you on that point
 

obiwan

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Humans are sent off to create the 12 Colonies of Kobol and the 13th Tribe tries to get them back by sending sleeper cylons?

No. According to the backstory of the show, all human life began on the colonies and long ago the thirteenth tribe left to live on Earth. I'm saying that there (here!) they developed their own line of cylons who later became sentient (like the colonial ones) and in turn evolved into the five 'skin jobs' known as the Final Five. After Starbuck somehow caused a nuclear war on Earth, Four of them were sent as sleepers to find the original 12 colonies and reunite everybody.

But how do the colonial cylons know of the final five in the first place? My guess is that somehow the hybrids from both worlds were in contact with each other. The four were sent long before the colonial cylons evolved, and once they did, the hybrids made sure they were programmed never to talk about the final five to ensure the success of the reunification.
 

No_Man

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Good theory Obiwan. Here's mine...

You're all right that the "All this has happened before and all will happen again" theme is significant. In fact, so significant that the 12/13 colonies are repeating their own history once more. I think "Earth" was a red herring. We've all been going along here assuming that the show would have a nice big happy ending with them finding Earth and either 1) joining the 13th colony and living in peace, or 2) uniting with the 13th colony in a war on the Cylons.

What if that was all bullshit? This show has never been about "happily ever after." Humanity has to struggle for whatever it gets and, as Adama said in the pilot episode, "earn the right to exist." So they get to Earth, find it utterly destroyed (for whatever reason) and they once again realize that they'll never be handed peace and prosperity on a silver platter. They have to earn it.

So what next? Through some convoluted plot involving the 5th cylon, they end up forging an alliance with the Cylons. Remember that the Cylons are now mortal and unable to reproduce without real humans. And humanity is utterly sick of running, yet paranoid about settling and ending up with New Caprica all over again. Both sides have every motivation to work out their differences.

So using the combined information, technology, and manpower of a combined Cylon/Human fleet, they find a new solar system with 12 habitable planets and resettle the 12 colonies. Meanwhile, a 13th colony of humans who are bitter and refuse to settle with the Cylons goes on its way to find a new Earth of its own. The Colonies have repeated their own history. The end.
 

obiwan

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Interesting....but I don't know how they'll stretch that out to ten more episodes. Plus with only 35,000 odd survivors, colonizing twelve planets and having enough left over to form a thirteenth colony will be mighty difficult.
 

titsrock

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Both are good theories...but with 10 eps...I don't think either can be explained satisfactorily for a series ending resolution. Those are complex theories..we'd need a fill 23 more eps to unpack them I think.

How long does a nuked planet retain radioactivity? We've seen scenes on old Caprica with Helo and Boomer and the resistance.

Since "Earth" has been nuked again...is the planet inhospitable now? Or have the survivors gone underground, as mutants maybe, like Human/Morlocks...
 

DreamSparrow

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I've seen no real evidence that this is Brooklyn Bridge. It *could* be, but all I saw was a ruined skyline on a coast with one tower of a suspension bridge. Why does that instantly mean it's in New York? Why not Sydney instead? Sydney's famous Harbour Bridge could fit, it's on a coast, AND it has the world's most famous opera-house.

I'm not sure they've reached Earth at all though. In the original series, the survivors mistakenly thought they'd arrived at Earth, but it turned out to be a planet called Terra. If they have reached Earth, they certainly haven't reached 'the promised land', because prophecy says that the dying leader suffering from a wasting sickness cannot enter it. Whether that's Roslin, Baltar (he was shot recently), one of the Adamas, D'Anna or someone else, they need to perish before they find what it is they've been pining after all this time.

The final ten episodes will certainly include:

1) The revelation of the Final Cylon. Baltar and Roslin are stronger candidates than ever now, since they were being held aboard the Cylon Basestar when D'Anna said that only four of the Final Five were aboard Galactica's fleet. Also, the prophecy of the First Hybrid in Razor was:

And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.

Both of them are seeking redemption, and both of them have been in a state of suffering -- Baltar was feverishly confessing his guilt in the destruction of the Colonies, after almost bleeding to death. Roslin was also trying to find peace during that episode, wracked with the guilt of the things she's done, and she's got cancer.

2) The reappearance of the other side of the Cylon civil war. The First Cylon said:

I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of one splintering into many. And then, they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

The seven he refers to are the Cylon models whose unity was shattered in their civil war. Cavil and co. are going to be led back to their brethren somehow, possibly through the influence of the Virtuals. The only character who has been referred to as an 'angel of God' is Baltar's Internal Six.

3) The explanation of the back-story and the saga of humanity and the Cylons. I suspect it's as follows:

Humanity develops on Earth, worshipping a multiplicity of gods. Monotheism replaces Hellenic polytheism. Humanity creates the Cylons, war breaks out, and the survivors abandon the planet to search for a new home. They find Kobol and rebuild, eventually coming to worship special creatures who live among them (possibly human-Cylons like Hera and Nicky). One among them seeks to primacy, and again they abandon their home. They find the Twelve Colonies, develop separately, join together until the new Cylons they've created reappear destroy them. The exodus begins and they search for a new home on Earth. The Cylons are all but wiped out on the way back too, and align themselves with Humanity, forming a new race with the more populous humans. The special ones among this number are called gods (although a small cult of monotheists exists) and humanity develops once again, and so on, forever and ever.

The eternal cycle is a constant state of flux between stillness and movement, of singularity and division, of creation and destruction.

'All of this has happened before, and will happen again.'
 

blackbull1970

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Who knows.....we got to wait until next year to find out.

Maybe they landed on LOST and Benjamin Linus will show up with the DHARMA Initiatave.

LOL!

Peace.
 

titsrock

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Isn't there supposed to be one more episode this season? I thought at the end of the last episode they had a promo showing Adama weeping and Saul Tigh saying something like "No, you're the final one?" and the voiceover hinted at a broadcast "coming soon"...

Will there be one more episode or was that a promo for the next season?
 
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