Best Special Forces Units?

[Hot Mega]

Nice job answering my questions...you hit the nail on the head!! Thanks :thumbsup:

You protect your front line assets by clearly defining their mission and making sure that their responsibilities are unambiguous.

For example, a police chief doesn't do his force any favors...in fact more harm than good by creating an environment where the lines of their responsibilities, rules, etc. are blurred. All you do is take them off the job and put them in court...or worse.

I'm certain that's above the thinking of some but it is the simple reality.

Bush's administration did more to operationally stifle the capabilities of SO than any in history by centralizing operational control. Was ignorant and most definitely dumb.

Just like moving FEMA under DHS....dumb and the effects of that dumbass move are still omnipresent.

All the ones I have known or known about I haven't been that impressed with. :dunno:

Well, I can't speak for what you are inclined to be impressed with. Two things though, the statement that they are little more capable than the average soldier is patently inaccurate and unless you've teamed with those men in ops I'm not sure how you would be in a position to accurately appraise their capabilities.:2 cents:

 

[Hot Mega]

My point was made relative to the Irish situation-the Special Forces were under actual combat risk for weeks at a time.Some of these were from non British forces because of regular exchange training between units (British personnel were in Vietnam on the same basis) but the bulk of the work fell onto the SAS and SBS which were greatly sharpened by the experience.
At around this time the US special forces had been embarrassed in Iran and the SAS had been seen on TV successfully dealing with the Iranian Embassy siege

No op is the same Marquise2.:2 cents:

There are still elements beyond the control of the operator and contingencies.

 

[Rey C.]

Reread the post...

So we don't get sidetracked, again: no one has yet presented any empirical data which suggests anything negative has happened on a scale that would (actually) nullify "the extreme level of dedication, precision and support technology of our US special forces."

I'm sticking with the SEALs. I don't think anything has been "nullified" at all. I think that's just the perception and opinion of people with rather extreme political positions, with a wish that others (specifically within the spec. forces community) feel the same way that they do. But I give these dedicated soldiers more credit than I do the average Joe or Jane, who might go all Chicken Little when there's an Administration in place that they don't like.

 

[Sparky Shortz]

You always seemed smarter that that...you really think that any units operate independently of the White House, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff? The President is CIC, and if he wants no overt violence or public killing of terrorists in their homes, say...then it doesn't happen. PC for the new "World Loves America Now" thing...
The enemy's rank and file are 3rd world ignorant superstitious Holy Warriors who die for the glory of Islam...what they see as a sign of weakness is, in their eyes, weakness. They are heartened by a bowing American President who seems to want the Islamic world to like him, and that is pussy times 2.
We're leaving real soon (Islamic victory!) and we're real sorry for all the mean things we've done...we'll try to be nicer in the future. Etc., etc...
I was so not surprised on Sept.11, 2001 when I saw a 2nd plane had hit the other tower.
I had been waiting for years for some heavy shit to hit the US, and there it was. And more will come...Bush and Cheney only kept them out for a few years, they haven't gone away or quit.
I got lots of respect for our warriors...they time and again have their hands tied due to one current political theory or another...none of which comes from the respective heads of the Services, but from the CIC and Congress.

DITTO...100% :bowdown: Nice to see someone else has their head screwed on straight...just remember "hop" and "change"

 

[Rey C.]

Yes, clearly things were going so much smoother before.

 

[Philbert]

Yes, clearly things were going so much smoother before.

Progress...my thoughts exactly.:thumbsup:

 

[Hot Mega]

Progress...my thoughts exactly.:thumbsup:

Had I been drinking something while reading this, it most assuredly would be evacuating my body by way of my nostrils right now.:rofl:

The only thing that keeps me from laughing at the clown who occupied 1600 W Pennsylvania Ave. from Jan 20, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009 on sight is the disaster he was which affected so many.

 

[Sparky Shortz]

Had I been drinking something while reading this, it most assuredly would be evacuating my body by way of my nostrils right now.:rofl:

The only thing that keeps me from laughing at the clown who occupied 1600 W Pennsylvania Ave. from Jan 20, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009 on sight is the disaster he was which affected so many.

Not as bad as the disaster we have now...you wait and see

 

[Hot Mega]

Not as bad as the disaster we have now...you wait and see

:1orglaugh I suppose, love is blind. :lovecoupl

Obama would have to work Herculean magic to take a country from a surplus to up on the rocks in 8 years, botch one necessary war in favor of an unnecessary war bad enough to shock world oil prices to the point of crippling world economies left and right including our own, "nullify" FEMA by realigning it under DHS contributing to the one of the worst natural disasters our nations has ever seen, embarrass the US back to the stone-age with 8 years of blow-hard bluster only to end up trotting around the world begging for help and support at the end of his disastrous 2 terms. Not to even mention, the relevant point to this thread of screwing (re-aligning) with operation command of SO....

Obama could put his youngest daughter in control for the next 7 years and even she couldn't fuck up as much shit as GWB. I know you'll see what you want to see out the last 8 years....which is not much even by the most favorable revisionist standards....but sorry, the reality is the reality.:2 cents:

 

[Rey C.]

Progress...my thoughts exactly.:thumbsup:

OK, then. Have another one on me. :thumbsup:

 

[abejarano12]

SEALS hands down

 

[Mr Dean]

Surely the 'special forces' of various country's armies are devised to best serve that country's main operations. For desert warfare, I guess Australia's SAS would do well whereas for operations requiring a heap of high-tech wizardry the yanks would have it sown up.

Also, while I know the guys do training that would kill most us before lunchtime, I think there is a bit of confusion as to what exactly these guys get up to. I don't think they're Rambos, their job is mainly surveillance and sabotage. The tough-guy stuff only kicks in when they get stuck in sticky situations.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Surely the 'special forces' of various country's armies are devised to best serve that country's main operations. For desert warfare, I guess Australia's SAS would do well whereas for operations requiring a heap of high-tech wizardry the yanks would have it sown up.

Also, while I know the guys do training that would kill most us before lunchtime, I think there is a bit of confusion as to what exactly these guys get up to. I don't think they're Rambos, their job is mainly surveillance and sabotage. The tough-guy stuff only kicks in when they get stuck in sticky situations.

Yes...this is true, friend. They are all designed for different roles and most do serve most dilligentely. But maybe some shine above the rest and display the most thorough results. (I just wish I was worthy of such an honor to be an elite military member...that would be better than any best selling album.):wave:

 

[jasonk282]

I myself am a bit bias to the US Army Rangers since I actually went to Ranger School but was medically dropped in 1999 due to the fact that I broke my leg during the Florida Phase. Nothing like breaking your leg in the middle of a Flordia swamp.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I myself am a bit bias to the US Army Rangers since I actually went to Ranger School but was medically dropped in 1999 due to the fact that I broke my leg during the Florida Phase. Nothing like breaking your leg in the middle of a Flordia swamp.

Speaking of injuries. That reminds me of a girl I know that went through USMC boot camp. She broke her ribs at one point during basic, she didn't want to tell anyone about it afraid she would be recycled and held back, so she kept with it with broken ribs! I have never felt so proud of anyone as I did with her when I found out she went through the rest of basic with broken ribs. And she almost had a perfect physical score had she not slipped on the bar. All with broken ribs for a good few some odd weeks!

Ah, so proud :hatsoff:

 

[Sparky Shortz]

When you bring a patient in with arterial bleeding you want to stop the bleeding. It is not a good idea to cut open other arteries to reduce the one that bleeds.

Or to put it nother way...you can always fix an oil leak in your engine by pulling the oil plug

See if you can figure out the analogy

That's our boy :thefinger

Hugs & kisses,

Sparky

:1orglaugh I suppose, love is blind. :lovecoupl

Obama would have to work Herculean magic to take a country from a surplus to up on the rocks in 8 years, botch one necessary war in favor of an unnecessary war bad enough to shock world oil prices to the point of crippling world economies left and right including our own, "nullify" FEMA by realigning it under DHS contributing to the one of the worst natural disasters our nations has ever seen, embarrass the US back to the stone-age with 8 years of blow-hard bluster only to end up trotting around the world begging for help and support at the end of his disastrous 2 terms. Not to even mention, the relevant point to this thread of screwing (re-aligning) with operation command of SO....

Obama could put his youngest daughter in control for the next 7 years and even she couldn't fuck up as much shit as GWB. I know you'll see what you want to see out the last 8 years....which is not much even by the most favorable revisionist standards....but sorry, the reality is the reality.:2 cents:

 

[Hot Mega]

When you bring a patient in with arterial bleeding you want to stop the bleeding. It is not a good idea to cut open other arteries to reduce the one that bleeds.

Or to put it nother way...you can always fix an oil leak in your engine by pulling the oil plug

See if you can figure out the analogy

That's our boy :thefinger

Hugs & kisses,

Sparky

Oh, you care about "spending" all of a sudden...

Here's a clue "...Shortz"...it's not about expending capital...it's about what you expend capital on...Think about that for a min...

But we're sort of dithering away from what the thread is about....

The was a question..about which is the "best" SO units....for some reason you felt the need to interject Obama in that discussion ignorantly and where there was not apparent connection.

Further, as if you couldn't have been more wrong in your assertion...it was the goobers in the previous administration which actually changed policy which directly affects..SO on the ground....They were not happy with it either....

We've seen more SO die in single incidents under the leadership of GWB's DoD than at any point in the history of US SO....I know facts don't mean anything to those hell bent on an agenda but they are what they are "...Shortz".

 

[Sparky Shortz]

Thanks for responding...I always appreciate others opinions...in this case I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Enjoy your evening :nanner:

Oh, you care about "spending" all of a sudden...

Here's a clue "...Shortz"...it's not about expending capital...it's about what you expend capital on...Think about that for a min...

But we're sort of dithering away from what the thread is about....

The was a question..about which is the "best" SO units....for some reason you felt the need to interject Obama in that discussion ignorantly and where there was not apparent connection.

Further, as if you couldn't have been more wrong in your assertion...it was the goobers in the previous administration which actually changed policy which directly affects..SO on the ground....They were not happy with it either....

We've seen more SO die in single incidents under the leadership of GWB's DoD than at any point in the history of US SO....I know facts don't mean anything to those hell bent on an agenda but they are what they are "...Shortz".

 

[Hot Mega]

Thanks for responding...I always appreciate others opinions...in this case I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Enjoy your evening :nanner:

Agreed.... We can disagree as Americans without being disagreeable...we're still all on the same team.

 

[jasonk282]

Agreed.... We can disagree as Americans without being disagreeable...we're still all on the same team.

That is what is so great about America, Whether your Conservative or Liberal, GOP or Dem, Capitalist or Socialist when you push Americans then tend to push back. Well can do all the infighting and bickering we want becasue at the end of the day we all are on the same team and want what is right for our country.

:hatsoff: to the Men and Women who served this country past and present.