California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[Facetious]

Just Sayin -

The President believes that marriage is defined as a union between a
M + F.

I agree with the President. :hatsoff:

I just think that the fight for equal rights is eventually going to get out of hand. As I stated before, there will come a point in time where people get so microscopic with every possible "difference" that they can find between themselves and the majority.

We, as a country, just like to cry about everything we possibly can.

I agree

Why is it that when certain groups of people (mainly activists) acquire a new benefit or right, instead of carrying on with daily affairs, like the majority of people would, they immediately set out to exhaust the very resources that they'd rallied ever so feverishly to attain ?

So much for modesty :dunno:

 

[Red Spyder]

Regardless of what your position is on this or anything else, if 9 men and women in black robes are just going to decide to do the opposite of what the people chose, why bother to have elections?

I thought this was a democracy, you know, of the people by the people? A majority chose to vote against it, were they wrong? And if the majority was wrong on that, could it also be that the majority was wrong last November 2?

 

[Friday on my mind]

Regardless of what your position is on this or anything else, if 9 men and women in black robes are just going to decide to do the opposite of what the people chose, why bother to have elections?

I thought this was a democracy, you know, of the people by the people? A majority chose to vote against it, were they wrong? And if the majority was wrong on that, could it also be that the majority was wrong last November 2?

This is not and never has been a direct democracy where everything is up for a vote.While I personally not being gay am not that worked up one way or the other about gay marriage (even though I started the thread lol) the arguement that just because the majority will or won't vote for it is not relevant to me.If we left everything up to a vote ,many protections and rights in america would be really in peril.
As an example it was courts that decided blacks were being denied rights (like segregated schools being unfair and unequal) in spite of their being a majority that really did not want that changed.One of the founding principals of our country was that some rights were not up for votes and that you needed to protect rights of minoritys from the whims of the moment by majoritys.

Like what the courts found in the 50s and 60s pertaining to blacks ,that segregation and jim crow laws were unconstitutional is what the California supreme court found regarding gay marriage.
Whether you like these particular outcomes or not this how our system is suppose to work and what the courts are for.To decide if laws are constitutional or not and if they aren't and violate rights, to overturn those laws ,no matter how popular they may be.

 

[Boothbabe]

All you straight people can talk for days on end but you still don't know what's like to be gay in this world so until you've walked a mile in my shoes why don't you just shut up. You can't even begin to imagine what it's like for me as a lesbian to be told I shouldn't have the right to get married just because of my sexual preference. So to all of you who are against me getting married with another woman i say FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!

 

[Will E Worm]

Regardless of what your position is on this or anything else, if 9 men and women in black robes are just going to decide to do the opposite of what the people chose, why bother to have elections?

I thought this was a democracy, you know, of the people by the people? A majority chose to vote against it, were they wrong? And if the majority was wrong on that, could it also be that the majority was wrong last November 2?

This has never been a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.
The Supreme Court is supposed to go by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

When the vote of the people to oppose "gay" marriage was over turned everyone should have stopped working until their vote was upheld. What the judges did is unconstitutional and every judge who voted to overturn the people's vote should be fired and then hanged in the town square.

 

[mrtrebus]

Isn't the gay marriage issue one of same sex couples having equal legal rights, such as social security & pensions benefits, tenancy rights etc. Why should two people of the same gender be penalised by not having the same lawful rights as married people of the more 'traditional' type?

 

[Jason z]

Regardless of what your position is on this or anything else, if 9 men and women in black robes are just going to decide to do the opposite of what the people chose, why bother to have elections?

I thought this was a democracy, you know, of the people by the people? A majority chose to vote against it, were they wrong? And if the majority was wrong on that, could it also be that the majority was wrong last November 2?

So your saying that when the slavery was legal that must have been just because the population believed it was? Still does not make it right and equal. Same here. Every fucking person should be able to get married to their soul mate. This is bullshit. How the fuck would them getting married effect you in any fucking way?

 

[ChefChiTown]

So your saying that when the slavery was legal that must have been just because the population believed it was? Still does not make it right and equal. Same here. Every fucking person should be able to get married to their soul mate. This is bullshit. How the fuck would them getting married effect you in any fucking way?

You could say that for just about every single law in the United States. For example, sodomy is illegal in quite a few states. That doesn't effect you or I (unless we are the ones getting assfucked), but I don't see many people making a stand for or against the sodomy laws.

Does gay marriage effect me in anyway? No. Do I care if gay people can get married or not? No, not really (because it doesn't effect me). Do I think that there should be a ban on their ability to get married? No, but like I said, I don't really care that much.

There are things that I would like to be able to do, but the laws tell me that I can't. Everybody has something to bitch about when it comes equal rights and most of their claims have a side of legitimacy, but, at the same time, most of their claims are just stupid. For example, I'm not allowed to drink a beer in my own front yard, because I can get arrested for breaking my city's open container law and for being drunk in public.

I said this before, but when it comes to equal rights, it is eventually going to get so out of hand that our society becomes more stupid with every passing day. First, gay people fight for their rights to get married. Then, cousins fight for their rights to get married. Then, mothers and sons fight their rights to get married. Etc, etc, etc...

 

[TwatDetective]

You could say that for just about every single law in the United States. For example, sodomy is illegal in quite a few states. That doesn't effect you or I (unless we are the ones getting assfucked), but I don't see many people making a stand for or against the sodomy laws.

A few states. Most sodomy laws have been struck down by individual states, or by Lawrence v. Texas (although the court has been vague about whether this just applies to homosexual sodomy). And laws remaining are rarely enforced.

Who cares what consenting Adults do in their home.

Does gay marriage effect me in anyway? No. Do I care if gay people can get married or not? No, not really (because it doesn't effect me). Do I think that there should be a ban on their ability to get married? No, but like I said, I don't really care that much.

I'm not gay but I care. I care about people getting rights.

There are things that I would like to be able to do, but the laws tell me that I can't. Everybody has something to bitch about when it comes equal rights and most of their claims have a side of legitimacy, but, at the same time, most of their claims are just stupid. For example, I'm not allowed to drink a beer in my own front yard, because I can get arrested for breaking my city's open container law and for being drunk in public.

Another stupid law. Geez.

I said this before, but when it comes to equal rights, it is eventually going to get so out of hand that our society becomes more stupid with every passing day. First, gay people fight for their rights to get married. Then, cousins fight for their rights to get married. Then, mothers and sons fight their rights to get married. Etc, etc, etc...

Consenting adults should be about to do what ever the fuck they want to.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

All you straight people can talk for days on end but you still don't know what's like to be gay in this world so until you've walked a mile in my shoes why don't you just shut up. You can't even begin to imagine what it's like for me as a lesbian to be told I shouldn't have the right to get married just because of my sexual preference. So to all of you who are against me getting married with another woman i say FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!

So you say its a preference. I thought it was supposedly genetic. I could care less about civil unions but when people try to force their views on me as acceptable and I respectfully disagree with them I come out looking like an asshole. So I say YOU are the ones who are intolerant for disrespecting my views. I wouldn't deny anyone the ability to name an inheritor or beneficiary but to say that their "marriage" is sanctified is something I am not prepared to do. The original intent of marriage was to bless a union of man and woman and to foster procreation. It has nothing to do with homophobia or prejudice, I think I am very tolerant of other people's choices. So yes I am against gay "marriage" and no thanks, I wouldn't fuck you with your girlfriend's strap on.

 

[TwatDetective]

So you say its a preference. I thought it was supposedly genetic.

I think she was just using it as a euphemism, since it's pretty common term all use.

I could care less about civil unions but when people try to force their views on me as acceptable and I respectfully disagree with them I come out looking like an asshole. So I say YOU are the ones who are intolerant for disrespecting my views.

There's nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance (as long as it's not banned , though).

I wouldn't deny anyone the ability to name an inheritor or beneficiary but to say that their "marriage" is sanctified is something I am not prepared to do.

So they should be equal...just seperate...
Seperate but equal....that should work.

The original intent of marriage was to bless a union of man and woman and to foster procreation. It has nothing to do with homophobia or prejudice, I think I am very tolerant of other people's choices. So yes I am against gay "marriage" and no thanks, I wouldn't fuck you with your girlfriend's strap on.

You do realize marriage was about property right?? The most common form of marriage for thousands of years, and in the bible, was one man with many wives and concubines. BUT THOSE LIBERALS CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF MARRIGE!

Churches can "bless" any type of marriage they want. But, civil marriage shouldn't discriminate.

 

[ChefChiTown]

You do realize marriage was about property right?? The most common form of marriage for thousands of years, and in the bible, was one man with many wives and concubines. BUT THOSE LIBERALS CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF MARRIGE!

To be fair, the origin of marriage varies from country to country, society to society.

 

[Jason z]

So you say its a preference. I thought it was supposedly genetic. I could care less about civil unions but when people try to force their views on me as acceptable and I respectfully disagree with them I come out looking like an asshole. So I say YOU are the ones who are intolerant for disrespecting my views. I wouldn't deny anyone the ability to name an inheritor or beneficiary but to say that their "marriage" is sanctified is something I am not prepared to do. The original intent of marriage was to bless a union of man and woman and to foster procreation. It has nothing to do with homophobia or prejudice, I think I am very tolerant of other people's choices. So yes I am against gay "marriage" and no thanks, I wouldn't fuck you with your girlfriend's strap on.

It isn't supposedly or supposebly anything. It is a genetic tendency. Yea, when it comes to having a partner's lover in the hospital on their death bed yet the hospital won't let them see their lover. That is not equal rights. It's not just for the economic reason's. They should be accepted in our society completely not put down or bashed as so many have done. If you don't know what is like to be gay and go through that. You really shouldn't keep a person from their rights. I mean honestly what guy would rather have cock instead of pussy. It is no way a choice. Along with that the bashing they go through....

 

[bustybbwlover]

i just don't understand the threat gay marriage poses to anyone. if a church is willing to marry gays so be it. on the other hand no church should be interfered with by the government for not being willing to marry gays. also for the problem of the supreme court overturning what people vote for in the past the people have supported things like: slavery, jim crow laws, extermination of indians, etc...the supreme courts purpose is to evaluate issues as they relate to the constitution nothing more, nothing less. are gay marriages prohibited by the constitution? do gay marriages do damage to constitutional law? these are the kind of question the court will be evaluating.

 

[bodie54]

The President believes that marriage is defined as a union between a
M + F.

I agree with the President. :hatsoff:

Best of all, he has no inclination to force that belief on others, but rather allows the judiciary to rule on such matters, as intended. How refreshing :hatsoff:

The original intent of marriage was to bless a union of man and woman and to foster procreation.

Really? Well then in that case it's been mighty big of the church (or is it God directly?) to let women well past the age of conception marry, as well as women who were barren, men who were impotent, and couples that knew going in they didn't want any children.

I said this before, but when it comes to equal rights, it is eventually going to get so out of hand that our society becomes more stupid with every passing day. First, gay people fight for their rights to get married. Then, cousins fight for their rights to get married. Then, mothers and sons fight their rights to get married. Etc, etc, etc...

I'm not buying the slippery slope theory when it comes to this issue, Chef. I know it's a somewhat popular one but imo it doesn't wash at all.

 

[georges]

that thread gives me a headache

 

[Boothbabe]

So you say its a preference. I thought it was supposedly genetic. I could care less about civil unions but when people try to force their views on me as acceptable and I respectfully disagree with them I come out looking like an asshole. So I say YOU are the ones who are intolerant for disrespecting my views.

Nice try. Gay people have been discriminated against for hundreds of years by all layers of society. Luckily it's slowly changing but society has always tried to force it's view of what's acceptable on us. So now we as a minority that's discriminated against should just sit back and swallow your crap even longer?

I think she was just using it as a euphemism, since it's pretty common term all use.

You've got it :thumbsup:

 

[Philbert]

All you straight people can talk for days on end but you still don't know what's like to be gay in this world so until you've walked a mile in my shoes why don't you just shut up. You can't even begin to imagine what it's like for me as a lesbian to be told I shouldn't have the right to get married just because of my sexual preference. So to all of you who are against me getting married with another woman i say FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!

See...you make assumptions and know nothing about the people you are referring to...
sexual preference is only one of many things that create strife in large societies...I traveled many thousands of miles and in many countries with...shudder...long hair.
Every time I had shit from police, citizens, and businesses I experienced discrimination for something I was, not for something I was doing. I relate...
Being black or Asian isn't a temporary condition, and one that can't be hidden as easily as being gay.
You are bitching 'cause of being excluded from participating in a ritual, the rights are obtainable through other avenues but that doesn't do it for you. You want to be able to get MARRIED...a heretofore straight ritual with attendant legal status.
I think you are trying to engender a sympathy that isn't really as justified as...say...getting your ass kicked for being gay, or fired for being found out to be gay, etc.
Human rights are for everyone, but getting married isn't necessarily a human right...many involved feel that it's not that great of a situation.
So...Fuck you very much, Bb.

(In a figurative sense, of course.)

 

[ChefChiTown]

Nice try. Gay people have been discriminated against for hundreds of years by all layers of society. Luckily it's slowly changing but society has always tried to force it's view of what's acceptable on us. So now we as a minority that's discriminated against should just sit back and swallow your crap even longer?

If you add up the number of homosexuals and bi-sexuals in the United States, can you really say that you're in the minority anymore?

Maybe I say this because I grew up in a suburb that has the 2nd highest amount of gay people per capita in the US and then lived in Chicago for a while, but it's not uncommon for someone to be gay anymore. Homosexuality, from what I've seen, is actually getting more popular with each and every day.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Every time I had shit from police, citizens, and businesses I experienced discrimination for something I was, not for something I was doing. I relate...
Being black or Asian isn't a temporary condition, and one that can't be hidden as easily as being gay.
You are bitching 'cause of being excluded from participating in a ritual, the rights are obtainable through other avenues but that doesn't do it for you. You want to be able to get MARRIED...a heretofore straight ritual with attendant legal status.
I think you are trying to engender a sympathy that isn't really as justified as...say...getting your ass kicked for being gay, or fired for being found out to be gay, etc.
Human rights are for everyone, but getting married isn't necessarily a human right...many involved feel that it's not that great of a situation.
So...Fuck you very much, Bb.

(In a figurative sense, of course.)

Once again Philbert has chrystalized my thoughts eloquently. I'd give you a purely hetero kiss on the forehead if I could but you'll just have to settle for some rep after I spread it around a bit.