California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[thebear247]

time have change the world has change . if your gay and wanna get married you should be able to fuck what everyone eles and the world thinks . they dont live in your body or mind .
at the end of the day it is about what makes you happy . and if a few people get a bug up there ass and have nothing better to do then bitch and complain about you being happy then piss on them.

so freaken what if some one is gay , or black , or white or purple. stop hating on people that are different or you dont agree with and move on with your life

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Some people in this thread have said marriage should only be something between a man and a woman. Can anybody give me a well thought out argument (apart from tradition or religion) for this kind of thinking? How does a gay couple getting married affect society or you as a person in a negative way? And if you can't come up with a well thought argument against gay marriage why are you still against it? And again, leave tradition and religion out of it because that's just blindly following the hurd.

Did you mean HERD? I never mentioned tradition or religion. I may have used the word sanctify but that doesn't always mean religious. Also, my definition of faith is to believe without the need of proof. I don't adhere to a lot of the church's dogma because they are about 400 or 500 years behind the curve of societal evolution. For instance, the church admitted Galileo was right 500 years after he died.

Legitimizing a gay union would normalize that preference in a world that overwhelmingly finds the practice abhorrent. It will ultimately add fuel to the fire of the extremists in the world who hate anything different, claiming that our society as a whole is so sick and corrupt that it deserves to be attacked again and again until we capitulate and conform to their thoughts and practices.

As I stated before I am not against civil union or giving marital benefits to gays but I draw the line at their demand to have it sanctified. There are several other issues I dislike about the gay rights movement but mostly it is the hate crime enhancement that really irritates me. In my mind, a crime is a crime and the scumbag perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law without regard to race, gender or sexual preference and if it is a particularly brutal or heinous crime they should suffer greater penalty. I'm not saying we should devolve into a simpler time but we should not identify ourselves by our sexual choices because that is not who we are but it is a part of who we are. I don't identify myself as an Irish/Italian American straight man or any other way than to simply say I am an American. That is where my pride lies as should anyone else who is lucky enough to live here.

 

[Will E Worm]

What about the parents who raise their kids from an early age to follow their faith? That's not a choice. Nothing wrong with It, I don't think, but still, it kind of removes the idea of there even being a choice to begin with, at least in that lil kid's mind. You know?

Everything I said is the truth. A child has a choice when they are older to continue to follow or follow their own way.

And just as I thought no one has been able to answer my question.

I answered your question.

You don't have to like it, but it's the truth. :hatsoff:

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

alot of hypocrites on here. you love watching 2 hot women do it in a porno but don't want real lesbians to have equal rights

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

alot of hypocrites on here. you love watching 2 hot women do it in a porno but don't want real lesbians to have equal rights

You won't find any lesbian porn on my hard drive. Well...maybe a couple pics.

 

[justjake]

Here's the interesting thing, if you really ponder it. Anyone can take private vows to each other and say they are married. Having it legalized puts the stamp of public approval on it. Right? Follow so far? Okay, so if it is voted down by the public, and then one judge overturns it, and makes it legal.... all the gays jump up and down ...but the public still doesn't recognize it. So what are they really accomplishing? I mean think about it. I know they compare it to the black civil rights struggle, but in that regard, the blacks really weren't allowed to occupy the same place as whites, vote, go to the same schools, etc. So there was an actual pay off to the law. In this case, they can get the legal right, but the majority will still not view them as "married".

 

[ChefChiTown]

Some people in this thread have said marriage should only be something between a man and a woman. Can anybody give me a well thought out argument (apart from tradition or religion) for this kind of thinking? How does a gay couple getting married affect society or you as a person in a negative way? And if you can't come up with a well thought argument against gay marriage why are you still against it? And again, leave tradition and religion out of it because that's just blindly following the hurd.

And just as I thought no one has been able to answer my question.

I don't think that you can tell people to leave religion out of their system of beliefs and expect some sort of honest answer. Like it or not, a lot of people get their morals from the religion that they practice. Also, you can't ask people to leave out tradition either, because our lives are based on tradition. Yes, certain traditions are sometimes broken, but the majority of everyone's lives are based on tradition.

Ironically, you are asking people to leave out religion and tradition during a discussion about marriage, when marriage is a long-lasting tradition itself.

To answer your question though...

If gay couples got married, it wouldn't effect my life what-so-ever. If gay couples want to get married, I say that we (as a country) give them that right. But, if they don't ever get that right, I'm not going to lose sleep over it and that's just being honest.

 

[Facetious]

All you straight people can talk for days on end but you still don't know what's like to be gay in this world so until you've walked a mile in my shoes why don't you just shut up. You can't even begin to imagine what it's like for me as a lesbian to be told I shouldn't have the right to get married just because of my sexual preference. So to all of you who are against me getting married with another woman i say FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!

It wasn't so long ago when the idea of a gay couple getting married would have been anathema to the institution of same sex advocacy groups. "Eeeeeuuuw ! Marriage ? Like heterosexual couples ? No way man ! get outta dodge !". Seriously though, you would have been met with a "Whaaaat ?

Then, after a given time period, the idea of a civil union between same sex pref (or gay if you like) couples came to the forefront of political discussion.
Most reasonable people including myself, didn't / don't have any problem with couples' attaining a "civil union" status, why in the hell not ?

Then, all of the sudden, it had been determined that there are certain benefits, terms and / or rights that are greater under the terms of a marriage and that means discrimination.
Civil unions simply didn't go far enough !

Enter - The discussion of same sex marriage. :dunno:

Why adjust the long standing definition of marriage ?
Why not adjust the terms of a civil union to match that of a marriage and call it good ?

 

[Facetious]

Edit - Addition

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Then, all of the sudden, it had been determined that there are certain benefits, terms and / or rights that are greater under the terms of a marriage that are not redeemable in a civil union and that means discrimination.
Civil unions simply didn't go far enough !

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[Sauce]

i have never understood why gay marriage is a controversy- it's a civil rights issue to me, if a couple wants to get married, let them get married- why should it matter if they are both men or women?

 

[bustybbwlover]

methinks some people just like to be upset

 

[bodie54]

Legitimizing a gay union would normalize that preference in a world that overwhelmingly finds the practice abhorrent. It will ultimately add fuel to the fire of the extremists in the world who hate anything different, claiming that our society as a whole is so sick and corrupt that it deserves to be attacked again and again until we capitulate and conform to their thoughts and practices.

So allowing gay marriage, rather than just civil unions, will give foreign (i.e. Islamic) extremists a powerful additional justification to attack us. I have to say that's a very creative twist. Completely convoluted imo, but it still gets style points. The right has truly mastered the art of fear mongering, right down to the most strained, minute details. And all the while ignoring the fact our ex-president provided those folks with more perceived justification and propaganda fodder than they could have wished for in their wildest wet dreams.

I don't identify myself as an Irish/Italian American straight man or any other way than to simply say I am an American. That is where my pride lies as should anyone else who is lucky enough to live here.

Merely being in residence is the basis for pride? What if you're gay and a large % of the other residents find your sexual orientation unacceptable, or even "abhorrent", in so many instances?

I know they compare it to the black civil rights struggle, but in that regard, the blacks really weren't allowed to occupy the same place as whites, vote, go to the same schools, etc. So there was an actual pay off to the law. In this case, they can get the legal right, but the majority will still not view them as "married".

In that case, black people got the legal right, but those who'd discriminated against them didn't suddenly magically view them as "equal", so I really don't see your point.

 

[Facetious]

So allowing gay marriage, rather than just civil unions, will give foreign (i.e. Islamic) extremists a powerful additional justification to attack us. I have to say that's a very creative twist. Completely convoluted imo, but it still gets style points.

Well, there are over a billion muslims on the planet, that means how many million 100 are radicalized to the point of condoning the acts Styro is referring to (?) And they ARE EXTREME RIGHT WINGERS bodie, don't ever forget that !

The right has truly mastered the art of fear mongering, right down to the most strained, minute details.

One could just as easily argue that you cling to naivety or faith ! . . in the gumments' ability to protect you, that is.

And all the while ignoring the fact our ex-president provided those folks with more perceived justification and propaganda fodder than they could have wished for in their wildest wet dreams.

Our ex prez did what ? Oh, yeah,
teed the ball perfectly for your savior almighty to carry on with his (actually gyorgy schwartz's) transmogrification / nationalization of American private enterprise via the bailout scam ?
Bankruptcy ? hell no ! too big to fail !! = bailout ! = government acquisition, period.
Auto, Banking, Agribusiness, they want it all !
Forcing the taxpayers into a debt that will take 3 + generations minimum to replenish (?) Seriously, bush couldn't have left Obama / Soros in any better condition ! Bushit was / is an ass-set to the democratc union of ussa.

Who ya kiddin ?

Neener neener ! :tongue: Bush is a good friend of the demokratik party, ussa. ! What's going on today wouldn't have been possible had it not been for "w's" leftist tendencies !:1orglaugh

Now That's a justification for a homeland attack ! :laugh:

 

[ChefChiTown]

Why adjust the long standing definition of marriage ?
Why not adjust the terms of a civil union to match that of a marriage and call it good ?

Because people are too ignorant to be able to ignore labels. That's all most people want from this...the label of "MARRIED". You could give homosexuals the same exact benefits, both financial and legal, by adjusting the current terms of a civil union, but they wouldn't be happy with that. Why? Because, they want to be able to say that they are "married".

Even then, they still won't be happy and they'll still feel discriminated against.

FYI - I am well aware that my statements are a generalization of homosexuals and that not every single gay person feels/would feel that way.

 

[bustybbwlover]

Because people are too ignorant to be able to ignore labels. That's all most people want from this...the label of "MARRIED". You could give homosexuals the same exact benefits, both financial and legal, by adjusting the current terms of a civil union, but they wouldn't be happy with that. Why? Because, they want to be able to say that they are "married".

Even then, they still won't be happy and they'll still feel discriminated against.

FYI - I am well aware that my statements are a generalization of homosexuals and that not every single gay person feels/would feel that way.

but plenty of religious denominations have no problem marrying gays so why can't they be married? and get the benefits and the name?

 

[bodie54]

Facetious, other than agreeing with you that Bush set the table for the re ascendance of the Democratic party I'm not following how your post addresses my post at all :dunno:

 

[bodie54]

I'm not following how your post addresses my post at all :dunno:

PS: I realize that's probably because as a mindless sheep who worships Obama as the one true Mahdi I'm incapable of deciphering the cryptic shorthand of those who are "in the know". Please to forgive me.

 

[ChefChiTown]

but plenty of religious denominations have no problem marrying gays so why can't they be married? and get the benefits and the name?

Because law and religion are two seperate things, hence the seperation of church and state. Just because a religion does or doesn't condone some aspect of life, it doesn't mean that everybody should be able to do it. There are religions that condone polygamy, so should we be able to marry as many people as we want (at one time), just because there are religions that are ok with it?

:dunno:

 

[Boothbabe]

I'm glad I live in the Netherlands where I can legally marry another woman

 

[georges]

I'm glad I live in the Netherlands where I can legally marry another woman

and where prostitution is legal too