Cannabis Decriminalization

[vodkazvictim]

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[STDiva]

So then you're saying that casual pot smokers are contained in their consumption bracket by legal risk, price and availability?.

Well...Ya. I don't have any statistics to back it up, but it seems like common sense to assume that once it is legal and readily available, more people would do it more often. And this country is a bunch of drunks!! Where are you living? :1orglaugh I'm exaggerting when I say every pot smoker will become burnout scum, but is it really crazy to assume that marijuana addiction will become just as big of a problem as alcohol?

 

[Rey C.]

Alcohol is legal (as long as it's the taxed variety ). But just because it's legal, a person can't legally drive drunk, go to work drunk (most employers anyway), give alcohol to a minor or even be in public while intoxicated. I don't see what decriminalization of cannabis would do to make the situation with it any different (or worse) than it is now. Like I said, all this foolishness started with that retarded movie, Reefer Madness. Before then, if a person wanted to dry this plant and then smoke it... so what? :dunno:

At the very lest, hemp farming (which has nothing to do with marijuana production!) should be under the jurisdiction of the USDA, not the DEA, IMO. Unless you had the lungs of King Kong, no human could or would smoke commercial hemp in a great enough quantity to be able to get high. So if someone could give me a good, factual, logical, rational reason to continue the prohibition on commercial hemp production, I would love to hear it. Because there are a GREAT many things that can be done domestically with hemp that now rely on foreign labor and chemicals which are dangerous to the environment (and people).

So pot aside, what good reason is there to prohibit commercial hemp production???

 

[ThatRedWing]

This is a real head scratcher. Under your theory, we'd be a nation jam packed with drunks.

You mean we're not?:dunno:


Cannabis should be regulated just the same as tobacco and alcohol. If it is legal or not won't affect me in the slightest. Yes I have tried it. I don't care for the high. The dumbest thing about the way the laws are written are that they also make industrial hemp illegal. Hemp is one of the most versatile crops known to man. Paper, rope, clothing and many other products can be made of it. It can grow almost anywhere with very little environmental impact.

Legalization would not only save money on law enforcement but provide an additional tax resource. But there I go again, thinking logically. When will I learn that is no place for that kind of thing in todays world?

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Well...Ya. I don't have any statistics to back it up, but it seems like common sense to assume that once it is legal and readily available, more people would do it more often. And this country is a bunch of drunks!! Where are you living? :1orglaugh I'm exaggerting when I say every pot smoker will become burnout scum, but is it really crazy to assume that marijuana addiction will become just as big of a problem as alcohol?

This nation is absolutely not a nation of drunks compared to, oh I dunno, Eastern Europe, Russia, Mexico and South America, but that's besides the point.

I refused to drink alcohol until I was 22. I started smoking pot when I was 13, quit when I was 17. I couldn't buy beer if I wanted to during those years, but pot was readily available at all hours at school, at the mall, certain businesses and anytime I entered a beeper number and had ten bucks cash.

I've never seen anything to suggest that pot smokers limit their intake due to risk or basic availability. Not among peers and not due to any data I've read. It seems like quite a leap.

 

[meesterperfect]

yeah but control it like a business. keep it respectable/

I don't want it near schools! I don't want it sold to children! In my city, we'd keep the traffic in the Dark People, the Coloreds - they're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Not to prolong this, but this is a general philosophic question to those who support regulation of all sorts; be it booze, cannabis or even sex:

Is society only as strong as its authoritative limitations allow it to be? Without regulation, are we doomed to be Gomorrah? And, if so, what justifies these artificial standards? Why booze, but not pot? Why unprotected sex, but not consensual prostitution?

 

[maildude]

 

[Rane1071]

People are going to do it legal or not ... sorry for the late reply I was talking to the "Finklestein Shit Kid" sonofabitch

 

[brm4620]

I think it should be kept from being used for bad purposes, cannabis does have good purposes but if its in the wrong hands it can be deadly(I had a friend die from tainted marijuana) its criminal past is what destroys it rep.

That is really sad. I would say that if you decriminalize it, you can regulate it and make sure it's pure cannabis (or as 'pure' as anything else American farms produce). Since there's no known lethal dose of THC itself, that essentially means no deaths.

 

[brm4620]

Sure, make it legal. That way people can openly and legally ruin their lives and get blitzed everyday. It may not be as harmful as alcohol or whatever, but the people who sit on their ass all day and get high are fucking themselves up.

The American Psychological Association did a study on cannabis users and found that among working adults, cannabis users tend to earn higher wages than non-users and college students who use cannabis have the same grades as nonusers

 

[brm4620]

Not to prolong this, but this is a general philosophic question to those who support regulation of all sorts; be it booze, cannabis or even sex:

Is society only as strong as its authoritative limitations allow it to be? Without regulation, are we doomed to be Gomorrah? And, if so, what justifies these artificial standards? Why booze, but not pot? Why unprotected sex, but not consensual prostitution?

The disagreement I have with you is that I don't think cannabis should be compared to booze, unprotected sex or prostitution. It is something that has been useful and productive for thousands of years before paper and oil lobbyists demonized it. Before that, it didn't even have the negative social connotations of booze. It was even illegal in the colonies not to grow it.

 

[Rey C.]

Not to prolong this, but this is a general philosophic question to those who support regulation of all sorts; be it booze, cannabis or even sex:

Is society only as strong as its authoritative limitations allow it to be? Without regulation, are we doomed to be Gomorrah? And, if so, what justifies these artificial standards? Why booze, but not pot? Why unprotected sex, but not consensual prostitution?

Excellent questions. I often find it funny that many of the same people (so called "social conservatives") who complain about the "Nanny state" and "socialism" are actually moralists, who have no problem imposing their views and values on others... ya know, for "the good of all".

I could take you to a home right now, where there is a man in his late 60's married to a girl in her 30's. They have NOTHING in common, AFAIK. But he's rather wealthy and she's cute as a button (nice little rack, round butt, etc. - yeah, I've checked her out... hell, when he dies, ya never know :surprise. That relationship is based on him buying her gifts and her giving him sex/companionship. So why isn't that illegal? Why is it only illegal for them to conduct the very same transaction in a more open (and honest!) fashion??? Because moralists are perfectly fine with the illusion of a marriage, but don't believe that two people should be able to conduct a private transaction that is less legally binding and only temporary.

I don't smoke dope and I have no interest in hookers. But that doesn't mean that I think I should be able to impose my preferences on others. And if I decide to drain a bottle of bourbon and smoke 10 cigars in a row, when I choke out and die, I don't want anyone rushing to pass a law to keep other idiots from doing the same thing!

"Land of the free. Home of the brave." - my ass!

 

[STDiva]

The American Psychological Association did a study on cannabis users and found that among working adults, cannabis users tend to earn higher wages than non-users and college students who use cannabis have the same grades as nonusers

Are you really going to try and tell me getting high will help you make more money? What a B.S study that is. Coincidence much? Besides, I'm not talking about moderation users. It seems like everybody wants to compare someone who smokes once in a while, to hardcore alcoholism and say "look how much safer it is " Are you ignoring the fact that there is people who abuse marijuana too?

For the record, I'm for the decriminalization of weed, but I don't think most people have the willpower to use it in moderation.

 

[maildude]

People are going to do it legal or not ... sorry for the late reply I was talking to the "Finklestein Shit Kid" sonofabitch

Strother Martin in Up In Smoke rep. "What is that...some kind of peace sign?"

 

[brm4620]

Are you really going to try and tell me getting high will help you make more money? What a B.S study that is. Coincidence much? Besides, I'm not talking about moderation users. It seems like everybody wants to compare someone who smokes once in a while, to hardcore alcoholism and say "look how much safer it is " Are you ignoring the fact that there is people who abuse marijuana too?

For the record, I'm for the decriminalization of weed, but I don't think most people have the willpower to use it in moderation.

I'm sure you can abuse cannabis, but when one in three Americans have used it and about ten percent of Americans have used it in the past year, it's obvious the vast majority are not hardcore users. They're occasional users who use it productively. I think that if you use it to relax occasionally or to relieve pain when you need it (for a long time cannabis was more popular than aspirin for pain relief), then yes, it will allow you to lead a more productive life, which is why the study makes sense. Especially since it comes from a reputable organization and no study has ever refuted it.

 

[digdiggler]

Smokin weed brings peace and love.

 

[Rey C.]

For the record, I'm for the decriminalization of weed, but I don't think most people have the willpower to use it in moderation.

I'm not sure how true that is. But let's say it is. Isn't that what personal responsibility is all about? I can buy an entire keg of beer without anyone asking me if I'm having a party or if I plan on drinking it all by myself. I bought liquor as Christmas gifts for several people. I left the liquor store with about a dozen bottles of various liquors... no questions asked.

Whether marijuana is better, worse or the same as cigarettes or alcohol, I just don't see it as society's job to be the moral police for individual behavior and choice (in a private setting).

 

[STDiva]

I'm not sure how true that is. But let's say it is. Isn't that what personal responsibility is all about? I can buy an entire keg of beer without anyone asking me if I'm having a party or if I plan on drinking it all by myself. I bought liquor as Christmas gifts for several people. I left the liquor store with about a dozen bottles of various liquors... no questions asked.

Whether marijuana is better, worse or the same as cigarettes or alcohol, I just don't see it as society's job to be the moral police for individual behavior and choice (in a private setting).

That's what I'm saying. People should be responsible. I just don't have that much faith in people.

 

[Rey C.]

That's what I'm saying. People should be responsible. I just don't have that much faith in people.

Well, I can't say that I do either. But at a certain point, I believe in letting Darwin have his say. :elaugh: