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Cheney: Bush "did not want to be the one who pulled the plug" on GM

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
He always was, and always will be a coward. I guess he's worried that his image would be tarnished by such a heinous act...because plundering the Constitution, and lying to start a war, are noble acts.
 

titsrock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
My only quibble is that it was probably Cheney who made this decision, for Dubya. We all think/know he ran the White House anyway...

The Republicans are the party of economic ineptitude and Recessions. Leaving business *problems* for Democrats to *fix* is probably the best move in the long run, anyway...
 

Ulysses31

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
People argue Labour done the same here in the UK which is why the Tories are making all the many job cuts, the Tories say they are only doing what is necessary and what Labour failed to do whilst Labour argue they had a different approach to spend their way out of recession meaning no job cuts, at the end of the day they all bullshit to deflect attention and avoid being held accountable for anything yet keep their cushy jobs and huge salaries whilst all the common folk suffer.
 

CunningStunts

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
My only quibble is that it was probably Cheney who made this decision, for Dubya. We all think/know he ran the White House anyway...

The Republicans are the party of economic ineptitude and Recessions. Leaving business *problems* for Democrats to *fix* is probably the best move in the long run, anyway...

Sometimes (I'd argue often times), doing nothing is better than fucking something up worse. GM's problems were many, not the least of which were unions, which led to them exporting many manufacturing jobs overseas, and just flat out making bad cars. Their trucks are pretty good, but their cars were shite. Let them Fail! Instead, the gubment takes them over and the taxpayers foot the bill. Same ol' Democratic answer to everything right?:dunno:
 

titsrock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
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Yes. And it worked. GM is in better shape than it's been since the 60s. The real reason for the turnaround is that OBAMA got the former piece of shit loser ceo fired and HANDPICKED a REAL CEO to run the company, not some snotnosed asswipe shit for brains.

I will rail against ceos who are morons or are corrupt, but when there's actually a good one with brains, a company can accomplish a lot of things.

GM's turnaround (and by extension saving Ford) has been an unquestioned success through this economic disaster. We, the people. will gain all our tax money back and 100,000+ people (more like 500,000 if you count everybody) still have jobs. Win win in my book.

NOW, about Unions...I agree that Worker's Unions need to be revised and modernized. They operate like it's America 1930.

If you will give me REAL Govt regulation and an army of regulators to enforce protections and standards, then we don't need any unions anywhere today :hatsoff:
 

anomaly

Baconsalt > WTC7
No Bush just wanted to be the guy that sent the country in a bullshit war, destroyed the economy and got thousands of Americans killed needlessly.
 

Ulysses31

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
No Bush just wanted to be the guy that sent the country in a bullshit war, destroyed the economy and got thousands of Americans killed needlessly.

Bush like Blair wanted something to be remembered for and to get his name in the history books, in the UK Thatcher gained popularity on a wave of nationalism following victory over Argentina in the Falklands war and Bush and Blair thought they could do the same in Iraq, the only problem being that the Falklanders wanted Britain there whilst it's clear the Iraqis didn't want the coalition forces there. This is evident as fighting rages on 7 years after Saddam and his govt fell meaning the people have carried on the fight, especially the Shia and al-Sadrs Mahdi army who we were supposedly protecting from persecution under Saddams regime. They want to take control of the country and unite with Shia Iran as well as kill all the Christians left in Iraq, cheers Bush your idiocy still astounds me and how on earth you were elected president of the most powerful nation on earth TWICE I don't know :facepalm:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Sometimes (I'd argue often times), doing nothing is better than fucking something up worse. GM's problems were many, not the least of which were unions, which led to them exporting many manufacturing jobs overseas, and just flat out making bad cars. Their trucks are pretty good, but their cars were shite. Let them Fail! Instead, the gubment takes them over and the taxpayers foot the bill. Same ol' Democratic answer to everything right?:dunno:

I don't like drug dealers. I don't approve of the way that they prey on people's weaknesses to enrich themselves, while at the same time destroying society. But if I lived in an apartment building and there was a drug dealer in the apartment below me, if his apartment caught on fire, I would not be in favor of letting the fire burn. True, his ass would go up in flames... but so would I and many of the (innocent) people around him. Philosophically, it might be the right thing to do. But in practical, real world terms... it would not be the right thing to do.

Had GM (and Chrysler) truly failed and gone into Chapter 7, which as I've detailed on here before, was the only other option, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Kia and any other major OEM in the U.S. would have been forced to halt production within days. The reason for that is any supplier which was tied to GM in any major way would have been put out of business once the Chapter 7 was declared. Until the liquidation sale takes place, NO more invoices are paid. And the banks had already stopped giving any sort of meaningful asset based credit to auto suppliers.

All it takes is for one nut, one bolt, one bracket or one gasket to not be on the line and auto production essentially stops. For a box or two of parts, they MIGHT continue to build and then park them in the yard. But if the parts are not in the supply chain... production stops.

Philosophically, we could have let GM declare Chapter 7. And by now, I'd say the unemployment rate would still be somewhere around 20%. And if the government decided to maintain a completely "hands-off" attitude during that time, we'd now be making the 1930's look like a kids birthday party.

Lastly, whether you look at Consumer Reports or J.D. Power, the quality of GM's trucks and cars has been rising for many years. I'm about as far from a friend of the UAW as you will find, but it is simply a fact that not a single design engineer, buyer or factory planner is a member of the UAW. So even if the cars were shit, was it because of the design, the assembly process, material choices, vendor choices or some combination of those variables? The UAW is a shitty union to deal with - no argument from me! But to have a valid, ratified contract, it takes the signatures (agreement) of both the union... and management. Hint: Ford did not bankruptcy... yet they're doing better than GM (and Chrysler) right now. IMO, the people who had been managing GM would have failed at selling ice cream for a penny a cone to rich kids on a hot summer day. You simply cannot fix stupid.

Anyway, it's currently working out pretty well for GM, the government, the taxpayers and most of the (non-union) employees of the suppliers who would have otherwise been shit-canned. So :clap:

As for Cheney, Satan is paging you. Your table in Hell is ready. Have another heart attack and die already.
 

StanScratch

My Penis Is Dancing!
Of course he let is slide. Bush is your typical redneck: let is slide until the next guy has to do something about it. Two years before his presidency was even over, he was saying how his successor was going to have to make some very difficult decisions about his wars in the Middle East - mainly, because he was completely incapable of figuring out a solution himself.
He did the same with the financial situation. Anyone with half a mind could see in '07 that the economy was starting to crumble - and without some sort of reaction, it had the potential to turn very serious. Of course, brave little Georgy boy couldn't be bothered with that...he was busy working on his legacy. It wasn't until smaller companies were falling like dominoes, their weight getting ready to push the larger giants down a year later that he finally and meekly moved into action in spite of himself, and what he did do was a futile wave of his arm, punting the real decisions to the next guy.
 
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