China's national flag flown at the White House

[Mrs Jolly]

Jason me old China (That's cockney rhyming slang - china plate = mate) other people here are pointing out that the USA has often times forged friendships and alliances with regimes which do not aspire to the same lofty goals. Like Martha Stewart, I think this is a good thing, you never know when the wind will change and you might need an ally. Allies with a billion people _ I'm not counting - are some of the best. Anyway as dear old Winnie said, "It is better to jaw jaw than to war war." I would stress that this air of generally symbolic contact is doubly important when dealing with a nation that can impact the welfare of this country just about more than any other.

Enough of that, the benefits of good relations with China are self evident to most of the joined up writing community.

My problem is, as usual, that you throw out these statements of outrage but never propose the "correct" path of action. (As many concerned conservatives are pointing out it seems to be the dominant MO of the current GOP.) How should he USA react? Please tell us.

Should the USA post a set of hard and fast criteria, which if not met will result in diminished relations? Who gets to draw up the list along with you? Personally, I think this would be counter productive for a host of reasons. ie it is unworkable, it ties the hands of diplomats, it creates precedents etc

So Jason, what of it, what is the right action? Define it and point out the relevant benefits. If you are right, I promise I will be the first pat you on the back.

 

[busenbust]

Thought Iraq was a friend now of america? :dunno:

They were ,then they weren't ,they are then they aren't.I admit its hard to keep up.Kill iranians we like ya.Be in the middle east after 9/11 we don't like any of ya.Wonder did Bush just close his eyes and stick a pin in a map of the middle east after 9/11 and whoever the pin hit was the county invaded?

Depends on the outcome of the elections (Iraqi elections I mean ), and then the Washington Boys can decide:1orglaugh

Man, so many folk gonna be clammering to hold the Olympics now...better rebuild Iraq on the quick :1orglaugh. Fuckin' crazy!!

 

[jasonk282]

Jason I take you at your word but your track record of posts make that very difficult if not impossible to believe.

I have to ask what on earth would have been your basis for voting the Obama ticket when time and time again, you been at the fore trotting out, supporting and inciting some of the most absurd, ridiculous notions about Obama on this entire site?

What would have been your basis for voting against GWB...when some of your erstwhile posts have not only contained criticisms of the Clinton administration for sending you to Kosovo (I believe) but apparently hail Bush's involvement in sending you to Iraq.

So again, Jason all I have is your word but many of your previous words seem to contradict what you're claiming now.

I voted for Obama because i was tired of the neo-con's on the republican's. I voted aganist Bush the first time because I had a fear that we would end up in Iraq again and I voted aganist Bush the 2nd time because we did what we came to do and should leave. then the 05 Iraq elections changed my mind when the insurgants started up with force again. But I am upset at how the democtatic party is the "champion of the downtrotten" when they represent the same big business as the republican's. At least the republicans can come out and say ther are for big business.

I never once said anything negative about Clinton sending me to Kosovo, I had and met many people from all over Europe.

 

[Facetious]

You see, Jason, when "people" have nothing to lose.... they have nothing to lose.
The means for which they mobilize themselves is not to elevate or improve their own conditions as much as it is to bring everybody else down to their lowly level, a level for which they have consciously submitted to.

Communism is alive and well.... Yeah they're freaks ! Yeah they're puzzling outcasts in society... but what are ya gonna do

xcept lock & load ?!! :rofl:

Mrs Jolly = Mega btw
2 accounts...... one weird dood

 

[jasonk282]

Jason me old China (That's cockney rhyming slang - china plate = mate) other people here are pointing out that the USA has often times forged friendships and alliances with regimes which do not aspire to the same lofty goals. Like Martha Stewart, I think this is a good thing, you never know when the wind will change and you might need an ally. Allies with a billion people _ I'm not counting - are some of the best. Anyway as dear old Winnie said, "It is better to jaw jaw than to war war." I would stress that this air of generally symbolic contact is doubly important when dealing with a nation that can impact the welfare of this country just about more than any other.

Enough of that, the benefits of good relations with China are self evident to most of the joined up writing community.

My problem is, as usual, that you throw out these statements of outrage but never propose the "correct" path of action. (As many concerned conservatives are pointing out it seems to be the dominant MO of the current GOP.) How should he USA react? Please tell us.

Should the USA post a set of hard and fast criteria, which if not met will result in diminished relations? Who gets to draw up the list along with you? Personally, I think this would be counter productive for a host of reasons. ie it is unworkable, it ties the hands of diplomats, it creates precedents etc

So Jason, what of it, what is the right action? Define it and point out the relevant benefits. If you are right, I promise I will be the first pat you on the back.

Correct in who's eyes mine or your's? the correct path is don't celebrate a country that is POLITICALLY opposed to everything that the USA stands for.

 

[Hot Mega]

I voted for Obama because i was tired of the neo-con's on the republican's. I voted aganist Bush the first time because I had a fear that we would end up in Iraq again and I voted aganist Bush the 2nd time because we did what we came to do and should leave. then the 05 Iraq elections changed my mind when the insurgants started up with force again. But I am upset at how the democtatic party is the "champion of the downtrotten" when they represent the same big business as the republican's. At least the republicans can come out and say ther are for big business.

I never once said anything negative about Clinton sending me to Kosovo, I had and met many people from all over Europe.

I sure sounded like you viewed what Clinton did for you in a negative light here;

Never said I was too young. Simple repleyed to her comment. I did not vote either time as I was too young. The only thing Clinton did for me was NOT give me money for college and he also sent my ass over to Kosovo. Actually I jumped the gun I was 22 when he left office class of 1996

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3476955&postcount=120

 

[jasonk282]

^ nope, i got no money from the federal grand that I signed upfor to get money for college and since he was the CIC at the time he did send my ass to Kosovo. So the truth is Clinton did not give me money for college and he sent me to kosovo. I actually like Clinton as a President

 

[Hot Mega]

^ nope, i got no money from the federal grand that I signed upfor to get money for college and since he was the CIC at the time he did send my ass to Kosovo. So the truth is Clinton did not give me money for college and he sent me to kosovo.

No one questioned whether or not you were sent to Kosovo or what money you received from the g'ment.

The question was how you viewed it at the time and to whom you assigned the blame.

To me, you viewed both as negative circumstances for which you blame Clinton. But that's how it looks to me.

At least others, can reasonably draw their own conclusions.

 

[jasonk282]

No one questioned whether or not you were sent to Kosovo or what money you received from the g'ment.

The question was how you viewed it at the time and to whom you assigned the blame.

To me, you viewed both as negative circumstances for which you blame Clinton. But that's how it looks to me.

At least others, can reasonably draw their own conclusions.

Well yours is but one POV on the words that I written.

 

[Mrs Jolly]

Correct in who's eyes mine or your's? the correct path is don't celebrate a country that is POLITICALLY opposed to everything that the USA stands for.

Seeing as I spent a paragraph asking you to outline your stance - let's go with your opinion.

So that's it then. You've sat down and thought about this and you worked out a credible poilcy. Please forgive me if I press you on the details. Would you have a department of not celebrating? These things that the USA "stands for", (which you have yet to define) does a rogue nation have to meet all the criteria all the time? Would you make it known publicly that these criteria exist? Would you make it known publicly if foreign delegations had made overtures and were rejected? What do you think some of the consequences might be of pursuing this course of action? Are there any pragmatic scenarios that you can envision that might undermine this approach?

These are the kind of things I'd like to hear about.

 

[rad2927]

Getting back to the point of the thread can someone explain why people are complaining about something that Fox News reported Friday isn't going to happen and they waited until today to start on it? If you just want to complain at least stay current.

 

[GregCentauro]

^^ @ rad2927

rationality isn't appreciated on this board

 

[georges]

obama is an abomination.

 

[meesterperfect]

Its mixed.
I think its the raising the flag of another country in a ceromony on the white house lawn tht seems disturbing in a way.

 

[Hot Mega]

Getting back to the point of the thread can someone explain why people are complaining about something that Fox News reported Friday isn't going to happen and they waited until today to start on it? If you just want to complain at least stay current.

In other words, this is a thread without a cause?

obama is an abomination.

And of course what would any political thread be without the ubiquitous Obama slam by our good friend and contributor, Georges?:hatsoff:

Its mixed.
I think its the raising the flag of another country in a ceromony on the white house lawn tht seems disturbing in a way.

See vvv

Getting back to the point of the thread can someone explain why people are complaining about something that Fox News reported Friday isn't going to happen and they waited until today to start on it? If you just want to complain at least stay current.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a theory that this proves (N)Obama was actually created in a test tube in Beijing.

 

[Hot Mega]

I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a theory that this proves (N)Obama was actually created in a test tube in Beijing.

Give a clown like Hannity long enough he'll come up with one.... "Birthers II: The Sequel"..If at first you don't succeed, lie, lie, lie again.

 

[Jagger69]

Nope, ill just vote republican in the 2010 and 2012 election.

There ya go! That'll fix everything.

And of course what would any political thread be without the ubiquitous Obama slam by our good friend and contributor, Georges?:hatsoff:

Just put in a quarter and watch him go into today's anti-Obama rant. :1orglaugh

 

[D-rock]

Something like that would be deeply disturbing. A country that so flagrantly violates human rights should never be honored like that. Of course by now China probably owns more of America than we do, and we constantly kowtow to them. That even more disturbing. It would be nice if the US got a backbone and did the right things for once. The dishonorable should never be honored, no matter how inconvienent that might be for us to not do it.

"Build bridges instead of walls and you will have a friend"

...or give them an easier path to conquering you.

 

[Legzman]

what a fuckin crock!

America is the best fuck the rest...er...used to be the best...