Clever Anti-War Posters

[skechers]

I disagree.

Than you are fooling yourself.


We brought the men together to build the atomic bomb (as horrible as it was)

and we dropped it. (as ghastly as it sounds)


And then there were countless other contributions, the service and sacrifice of our peoples, (more honorable, it seems to me.... No that's an understatment. FAR more so than the big bomb) that added to the effectiveness of the whole effort.... It's common sense.

 

[skechers]

i really don't get you. what nihilists do for their own reasons can't be interpreted as we are doing some "things" at least. which is better than nothing.

no, your goverment fraks the world up and while doing so maybe helps with some very minor problems unintentionally.

that's how i see the things.

I do not think of myself as a nihilist.


I think of my self as a hopeful. An optimistic. I think you want us all to be alike.... Us americans. You want us ALL to be the fat, ignorant conservative minded religionite. That would make it easier for you to pigeon-hole me.


That makes me sad.

 

[deltaoscarbravo]

Than you are fooling yourself.


We brought the men together to build the atomic bomb (as horrible as it was)

and we dropped it. (as ghastly as it sounds)


And then there were countless other contributions, the service and sacrifice of our peoples, (more honorable, it seems to me.... No that's an understatment. FAR more so than the big bomb) that added to the effectiveness of the whole effort.... It's common sense.

Not fooling myself at all.

The outcome of WWII was premised on several issues.

1.Was the outcome at Stalingrad and the huge input by USSR to the allied effort.

2.Was the introduction of USA to WWII in late 1941.

3.Nazi strategic errors in opening up too many fronts in 1941 simultaneously(opening of the eastern front, not devoting enough resources to overcome Britain, the push towards Egypt)

 

[curiousWAN]

for expression..... for venting... for relaxing..... for having fun...... for human interaction.....


To appease my own ego? never.

for expression.... why do you even want to express yourself? there should be a reason. do you just randomly express yourself without caring what will be the reaction? don't expect me to believe that. you write/compose/whatever the things you think beautiful for some reason. those reasons are very complicated, i don't want to turn back to your childhood or something but you should just admit every single thing we can ever "imagine" comes from this world and therefore what we have experienced. i mean give me a certain example of art and i'll deconstruct it into very basic human insticts very easily.

so, you do "everything" for your ego. you should read some jacques lacan, really.

 

[skechers]

for expression.... why do you even want to express yourself? there should be a reason. do you just randomly express yourself without caring what will be the reaction? don't expect me to believe that. you write/compose/whatever the things you think beautiful for some reason. those reasons are very complicated, i don't want to turn back to your childhood or something but you should just admit every single thing we can ever "imagine" comes from this world and therefore what we have experienced. i mean give me a certain example of art and i'll deconstruct it into very basic human insticts very easily.

so, you do "everything" for your ego. you should read some jacques lacan, really.

Judging by your beliefs, I would dissagree with Mr. Lacan.

Besides, I have my own opinions.

Why cannot I not just compose for the pleasure of composing? Why can't I do it for fun... Do you think I need only to impress?

Why can't I just... JUST?

 

[curiousWAN]

I do not think of myself as a nihilist.


I think of my self as a hopeful. An optimistic. I think you want us all to be alike.... Us americans. You want us ALL to be the fat, ignorant conservative minded religionite. That would make it easier for you to pigeon-hole me.


That makes me sad.

i'm not talking about you. i'm talking about your goverment. i call those people nihilists. and i even said things like

they know when we are horny and then they know when to scrape our fur off? or something like that.

i even used your/us somewhere, i believe.

so don't take it personally.

 

[curiousWAN]

Why cannot I not just compose for the pleasure of composing? Why can't I do it for fun... Do you think I need only to impress?

Why can't I just... JUST?

have i said you can't do it just for fun? no i didn't.

i said, you enjoy that for a reason. it doesn't matter if you do it for fun or sadness or self theraphy or whatever...

you do it for your ego and of course you will find pleasure in it.

nature is very tricky. it will find its ways to make you do stuff.

 

[skechers]

That response wasn't directed towards you, dude.



But in regards to what you said, why is man the only one capable of the arts.... to appreciate art... as a personal, spiritual concept? If this is just nature making me do things?

When I write a song on the guitar, and I play this song because I enjoy it... for the simple feeling of the chords forming on my fingers, and the vibrations of the strings... when I enjoy the melody, and the rhythm and the composition of the song I wrote, and play it for myself... and share it with no one else... how can this be about wanting an ego boost? To me, it's about just wanting to make. Just to be apart of something bigger than myself for a little bit.

And music- all art.... I believe is above nature. Is a purely human thing.

And when I do not share this song I wrote, is this also selfish... When someone else may have an emotional connection to the melody, in much the same way I do playing it... Another complicated thing about art, that no other thing on this earth can understand. A dog may share it's food, but not it's soulfulness-ing. A dog would chew up the Mona Lisa. Fun for a dog, but as a person, I'd rather look at it... and just slip away from nature for a while.

Yeah, I go there with my mind. But the mind is just the schoolbus, not the fuel.

And If I shared with others, I wouldn't care if no one "got it" like I did. Nah. Maybe some of us do, but me.... I'd still craft in the colors of my emotions, and of my talents, even if it was illegal. If they took my instruments away, my pens, my paper... I'd write in the sand and hum, and let the waves and the wind take it all away afterwards.

 

[curiousWAN]

let's see how you are pumping yourself;

here, you show how poetic you can get;

for the simple feeling of the chords forming on my fingers, and the vibrations of the strings... when I enjoy the melody, and the rhythm and the composition of the song I wrote, and play it for myself... and share it with no one else...

here, i'm speechless;

Just to be apart of something bigger than myself for a little bit.

here, you think nature only rules insects or what?

I believe is above nature. Is a purely human thing.

hmm... again, i didn't say you write things without feelings. but those feelings are there for a reason. women wants to be worshipped so you keep writing stuff like how much you suffered because of this woman or how beautiful is that woman or whatever. give me lyrics and i'll be much more spesific.

And when I do not share this song I wrote, is this also selfish... When someone else may have an emotional connection to the melody, in much the same way I do playing it...

you do think nature as a very simple thing don't you? just because you as a human much more intelligent than the rest you can't be a part of it? fucking no! it still make you do things but with complicated ways cause you are complicated. so your dog vs. human metaphors totally off. i never mentioned animals, it's only you who is distorting things.

A dog may share it's food, but not it's soulfulness-ing. A dog would chew up the Mona Lisa. Fun for a dog, but as a person, I'd rather look at it... and just slip away from nature for a while.

more poems, you are good.

And If I shared with others, I wouldn't care if no one "got it" like I did. Nah. Maybe some of us do, but me.... I'd do it if it was illegal.. If they took my instruments away, my pens, my papers... I'd write in the sand and hum, and let the waves and the wind take it all away after I was done.

:lovecoupl:

 

[skechers]

You simply don't understand. You think you have a handle on what art is. No one has it down pat, and we all have our opinions, but... Your views on poetry are all askew. Nothing I've said today is poetry. These may be pretty words strung together. But not meaning from nothing. Take the dramatic out of it, and still creat an emotional tick... just in the relationships of the words... you can now poeticize. No, not really. But you can now get close. Poetry, real poetry, is fucking hard.

These ramblings are the get of a mind used to working in the english language. But not poetry in work. Do not confuse lyrics for poetry. Lyrics are too set in what they want you to feel. Poetry opens a door to feel... whatever you will.

And it's something more. I couldn't explain it. I think, no poet can. Those who really know what poetry is, of course.

Humans are not above nature. Art is. And if we have anything that does go beyond nature, it is our art. As well as our love. Our compassion.

An insect does not know why it carries it's eggs on it's back. Has no love for it's eggs. That's nature. A person who is a mother knows that part of her love for her child is nature.... But there's something deeper in that love... that DOES go beyond what mamma earth knows. So if you took the parental instincts away... there'd still be a bond. Still be a love. Greater than the primitive form of love You Might find in a dog.... who loves a pack leader and a provider, and a companion... but couldn't tell you why, if suddenly able to talk.


Okay, that's pure rambling. But it's blood moving in corpusles. I couldn't be happier.


We humans are different. And we can go above and beyond nature. This doesn't make us better. It perhaps makes us special.

 

[curiousWAN]

You simply don't understand. You think you have a handle on what art is. Your views on poetry are all askew. Nothing I've said today is poetry. These may be pretty words strung together. But not meaning from nothing. Take the dramatic out of it, and still creat an emotional tick... just in the relationships of the words... you can now poeticize. No, not really. But you can now get close. Poetry, real poetry, is fucking hard.

These ramblings are the get of a mind used to working in the english language. But not poetry in work. Do not confuse lyrics for poetry. Lyrics are too set in what they want you to feel. Poetry opens a door to feel... whatever you will.

And it's something more. I couldn't explain it. I think, no poet can. Those who really know what poetry is, of course.

Humans are not above nature. Art is. And if we have anything that does go beyond nature, it is our art. As well as our love. Our compassion.

An insect does not know why it carries it's eggs on it's back. Has no love for it's eggs. That's nature. A person who is a mother knows that part of her love for her child is nature.... But there's something deeper in that love... that DOES go beyond what mamma earth knows. So if you took the parental instincts away... there'd still be a bond. Still be a love. Greater than the primitive form of love You Might find in a dog.... who loves a pack leader and a provider, and a companion... but couldn't tell you why, if suddenly able to talk.


Okay, that's pure rambling. But it's blood moving in corpusles. I couldn't be happier.


We humans are different. And we can go above and beyond nature. This doesn't make us better. It perhaps makes us special.

ah, my friend. you are so illusioned by human language and metaphysics i see. an insect does certain things for certain reasons. do you think they do it without a reason, just because nature wants it? your understanding of nature very metaphysical too. nature means hormons, neurons, receptors and such stuff, not sun and flowers and rivers and rainbows.

that "carrying eggs" thing definitely gives them some sort of pleasure. just like playing guitar gives you. your whole logic very religious, thinking yourself as something very precious as if the son of god or something....

read this for starters; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

 

[skechers]

I have a feeling we may have to agree to disagree on this one. It's subjective really, this argument about why one crafts. Trying to make it something scientific.... is trying to cut through the magic in what it means to be in the process of artistic modes. It is magic.

Nature inspires.... human nature allows... but the soul is where the content comes from. And the soul is deeper than dirt and bugs and hormones and even logic. Again, do not mistake a creative spin, for poetry. It's just expression. It's just expression. It's just having a little fun. Moving a little brain cells.

But I'll stop my ramblings. This kind of discussion is self servient, in that I want you to understand exactly what I mean (that, I cannot express)... and It really shouldn't matter to me.


The human interaction does. So, thanks for the conversation, man. I enjoyed

 

[skechers]

ah, my friend. you are so illusioned by human language and metaphysics i see. an insect does certain things for certain reasons. do you think they do it without a reason, just because nature wants it? your understanding of nature very metaphysical too. nature means hormons, neurons, receptors and such stuff, not sun and flowers and rivers and rainbows.

that "carrying eggs" thing definitely gives them some sort of pleasure. just like playing guitar gives you. your whole logic very religious, thinking yourself as something very precious as if the son of god or something....

read this for starters; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

Oh, but now I have to respond. Damn me! Hahaha.


I think your whole logic is very mathmatic. And you think everyone is nothing. This feels wrong to me.

I am a god. So are you.

No it doesn't give me any excuse to squash the bug and drop the bomb. It gives me an excuse to want... more. Of myself. What you do with yours is up to you. And that is a godly thing.

I don't just have to spread my seed. I can love the girl first.

 

[curiousWAN]

placebo effect. give some people aspirin in a super flashy package and "some of those people" will just begin feel better.

pretty instect-ish dont you think? haha. like, it has freaking no effect but "the brain", therefore body, convinced it will work, so it released/emitted whatever is needed (hormones etc.) and it smite the sickness all by itself.

maybe capitalism works sometimes. capitalism of feelings and words.

 

[curiousWAN]

well i'm "mathmatic" for a "reason" too? (uh, that's what makes me mathmatic anyways right?)

i just tend to accept what is scientifically can be proven. you can't do it for soul or unicorns or pixies.

so... i think i'm just ok with that title

 

[skechers]

I think you are making alot of my points for me. I know that there are things that happen in our bodies. I know these things lead to urges. I know chemical reactions happen. But we can step beyond these urges. Above the inner bullets. And above nature. If this were not the case, we'd all always fuck the drunkest girl at the party, consequences be damned. Then we really could blame it on a chemical reaction. On the hormones.

But I can step back and say, I could have sex with her. She wants me to have sex with her... my body wants to have sex with her. My body is screaming "fuck her! Fuck her, god damnit!" But I'm not going to... nature got this one wrong. I don't need this weighing on my concience.

Take your plecebo effect example. What is it that makes us feel better? A higher conciosness, perhaps? A latent brain function? Or are sugar-pills really a cure all? What does science theorize on the subject.

Last I heard, no one could explain it exactly. So, maybe it's a mystery of the soul. Maybe it's nature... working it's own spirit over us... and just maybe there's something going on in our own bodies that even math, science cannot talk off.

I know the brain is a tool. But what is thought? What is "Consciousness"? How does it work? What is the spark that makes it work, and what happens after there is no conciousness? When we die... a natural act... with spiritual connotations...

Science is at a loss. But the poets... we're working on it.

 

[skechers]

Gotta go, skillet. If you're still talking, I'll be back tomorrow night, or wheneva.

Peace.

 

[curiousWAN]

the points i make doesn't count for you. do your owns, haha.

you would fuck that girl, if you were really helpless. like, if you were stupid and ugly and whatever. you have options so you can use them. don't you think nature programming us like robots. it doesn't even program instects, they are going to choose, if possible, the biggest male with biggest pincers or something. some certain bird species gonna choose the most colorful opposite sex, seeing that as a sign of being strong and healthy etc.

again, don't you think something evil when i say nature. something very simple, something just rules you with chemicals, don't. but we definitely don't want to die, we definitely want to fuck and "therefore" we definitely want to get social. we are sometimes getting so twisted, we are deceiving ourselves with a "simulation of getting social" as we are doing here... but whatever.

i just explained how it works, placebo effect. it just makes your body works. your brain says; NOW! those "should be" what i needed, all the troops, charge!

why we are afraid of insects while we are much more bigger than them? cause some certain species can poison us, we know that instictively so we just hate them.

it's all about evolution baby.

 

[skechers]

it's all about evolution baby.

Pearljam effing rules hahaha

the points i make doesn't count for you. do your owns, haha.

Damnit! Okay

you would fuck that girl, if you were really helpless. like, if you were stupid and ugly and whatever. you have options so you can use them. don't you think nature programming us like robots. it doesn't even program instects, they are going to choose, if possible, the biggest male with biggest pincers or something. some certain bird species gonna choose the most colorful opposite sex, seeing that as a sign of being strong and healthy etc.

Attraction is a primal thing in the jungle, in the sea, whateva. And certainly, we humans understand that primal need. To spread our seed around, or to bare children. But our choices can be rationalized. We understand... consequences... morality... We feel the need to spread our seed around. Take the priest, the poor priest and his vow of celebacy... He feels the need. But the fact that he puts his belief before his nature- would in fact deny his nature entirely, tells me that we can, and have (some of us) one-upped the primal.... the chemical.

While the lioness would lay down for the big dominant male, a woman would ask herself, do I want the father of my child to be an aggressive, controlling bastard. Hahaha. Most mother's don't have to worry about new guys coming to their homes and killing the male childred to establish their own dominance, to make the mother ovulate and bare their own children this time around... like lions, who understand only their nature in the most simple ways.

But if a woman did have to take that into consideration, she could. And she could make a moral decision. And her decision could be to trump mother nature, in all her insistance.

again, don't you think something evil when i say nature. something very simple, something just rules you with chemicals, don't. but we definitely don't want to die, we definitely want to fuck and "therefore" we definitely want to get social. we are sometimes getting so twisted, we are deceiving ourselves with a "simulation of getting social" as we are doing here... but whatever.

"simulation of getting social" I like that. Sounds almost like a tech/metal band. lol

I think it may not be entirely accurate. Maybe about halfway there. Of course, some people use the internet as a substitute for physical interaction, it's still a pallet for communication, and a great one at that. So now we can speak to our friends who are around us... as well as to people we would never, ever meet. I think that's pretty cool. I don't know where you live, I'm willing to bet it's quite a bit aways from me. I'm glad we've gotten to chat, despite our disagreements.

Back on topic (ours anyway, since we sort of hijacked this thread)

I don't think nature is evil. Not even bad, all the time. But I think it can cause us to act in certain, primal... simple ways.... when a moral, open minded outlook- one of which only us humans are capable of- would quite likely bring about a better, more peaceful solution. So no, nature isn't the enemy... but to keep a step above it would suit us well.

So our own nature definately may lead us to options, (to socialize, to show our asses, to present ourselves... to fuck) But along the way, we can think. And thus, we have trumped the primal yet again.

i just explained how it works, placebo effect. it just makes your body works. your brain says; NOW! those "should be" what i needed, all the troops, charge.

You explained that it DOES work, not how it works. What's actually going on in your mind that makes it work.... Is it a chemical process, or something deeper? Maybe, dare I say, paranormal? There's alot about our brain that we don't understand. Cases of phsychic phenomenon, telekenesis... mind over matter.... Mind over disease, maybe?

Voodoo, for instance, is a placebo effect. You've heard the stories of people going to the hospital. They tell the doctor "I've been cursed by a witchdoctor, and I am to die soon." Well, of course, the doc doesn't beleive this. This is a healthy person. Nothing wrong with him at all. He's not going to die.

Except, he does start to die. Because they believe. Power of suggestion... but what is going on in the head.... again, is it chemical? Is it spiritual? Certainly, an actual curse sounds a bit far fetched... But can we throw that out just because it is? We understand a fraction of our brain... bout 10%, wasn't it?- So what's the rest? Is the spiritual... a part of nature we do not yet know about?

For now, it must remain a topic of only the spirit. Of only speculation, poetry, open-minded-out-of-the-box-thinking... And I like it that way. When the numbers come back, the actual solid scientific proof, I'll take that into account. But for now, I'll turn it over in my head, and consider even the far fetched.

Oh, by the way, that example of voodoo... I've heard several stories about it. One case that I heard, the man did die. But there was another I read, where the doctors actually did some research on voodoo rituals, and then had dispell ceremony for their patient after hospital hours. The told the man, this is a very powerful spell, and it will cure you. They chanted over him, burned some of his hair in a bowl, and the next day the man made a complete recovery. Like day and night.

Pretty crazy stuff

why we are afraid of insects while we are much more bigger than them? cause some certain species can poison us, we know that instictively so we just hate them.

Well, yeah. I mean, I accept that. But some of us don't fear bugs. Some of us even like bugs. Is it so deeply ingrained, though. The four year old kid, who's never seen a poisoness bug, has never been told about them, and who one day finds a blackwidow spider, and decides it's his new toy... Well, that's nature getting one over on us.

So, after thinking about it, I would say that our lives are a combonation of the moral, the spiritual, the ego, the id, and the deeply ingrained human nature... But if I had to put one before the other, it would be the spirit- the conscience- almost always.

I think, we do have nature's hooks in our morality, our consciousness... but nothing we can't cut when we choose to... this is something the flora and the rest of the fauna of the world cannot understand. Simply cannot.

And this is us, trumping nature once again.

 

[curiousWAN]

certain animals can do certain things. birds can fly. freely, wherever they want. we can think hard... do you have any idea how being a manta ray could be? or being a freaking tiger and hunting down gazelles, tearing their flesh apart with a powerful strike of your furious pawns, then holding its neck between your teeth, hot blood flowing through your throat, feeding on them, then eating the fresh twitching meat? you have no idea what they are feeling, maybe they can't think but they don't have to anyway. you call human better than others and "above nature", if we are above nature that's only in a bad way, how many species extincted because of us? oh... we are so above the nature, no. we are just greedy bastards, we killed more than we need. we made boots and belts and bags from alligators and we are still doing that. what other animal out there as fucked up as we are?

oh, so you compose those classical pieces and painted mona lisa and build eiffel tower? what we did, we did for ourselves. it's no freaking good for nature. we keep pumping up our ego, doing all sorts of useless and destructive things... we are spiritual? we have a spiritual side? no way. i'd rather believe animals have one, not us.

how a priest lives without sex? cause he is brainwashed good and his heart full of fear and he is so afraid the burning flames of hell. that's survival instict. he want to live forever so he is sacrificing sex in order to reach that. stupidly. nothing spiritual here for me.

i can think, i can compose songs, i can wank while i think or i can finger my ass while doing philosophy. big deal... how's that makes me superior to animals? you can't be superior to anything with the things that they don't need. just a bird can't be superior to a mole with its wings, we can't say we are superior because we can think. if we were superior enough we would be smart enough to save the world. we say, we can think therefore we are superior but we are slowly killing nature with this thinking thing without thinking. pretty shitty ability if you ask me, it's working against itself.

we are weak ass mammals who needs others all the time to stay alive, we figured that being nice to others good, then we go said it's even better than good, it's spiritual, it's holy etc. all our moral values comes from our inner weakness. if we were able to go solo and live like that, like a shark, what we would call "good morals" would be totally different.