Democrats Win Washington State

[ÆGEAN]

i am not here for fun, i am here for a.............


RIOT!!!!!!!!!!

 

[harold]

bump

 

[McRocket]

Yes and ? You seem to prefer Canada because it is less individualistic, I know.
Where did you leave exactly in the us? I haven't visited Canada no never.
Because according to your judgement, people who live in the US aren't that happy?
You may have been to the university and probably dated an American, yes you certainly discovered the American mentality which was new for you. I understood the American mentality during my first trips to the US when I was 8 and 10.
Valid opinion can be formed if you understand at 100% the way of thinking and the way of taking decision in a country as well as the mentality of the people in this country.

LOL. So you are saying that by visiting the U.S. when you were in Grade 4 or 5 that you now understand the way Americans think and their mentality? Well then, by your logic, since I visited Bermuda when I was 8 for a week then I guess I understand how Bermudians think and their mentality? And that was a tiny island of about, what, 30,000 in the Atlantic. But you managed in several visits as a child to understand the 'way of thinking' and the 'mentality' of a huge nation of over 280,000,000 people? I would think that to be insanely unlikely. But maybe you are an insanely unlikely fellow. No offense.
But seriously. So let me get this straight...you are saying that you understand the differences between what life is like in the United States and Canada because you visited the U.S. last when you were 10 and have never even been to Canada?
I wonder if the Bush administration used the same logic to determine how warmly they would be welcomed after they 'liberated' Iraq.

(White House conversation before the Iraqi invasion)
G.W. Bush -- So anyone know how the Iraqis will take to us once we conquer, er I mean, liberate them?
Junior White House aid -- Well sir, I know the people extensively and I am sure they will all welcome us with open arms.
G.W. Bush -- Oh yeah. Well...what is your basis for this knowledge?
Junior White House aid -- Well sir. I visited there about ten times when I was 10.
G.W. Bush -- Well, that's good enough for me. Let's go in then. By the way, anyone got any whiskey?
(sorry Georges. But I could not resist)

And finally. A question for you. Can you give me one fact that proves that the world is a better place to live in because of the invasion of Iraq?
Not an opinion from someone. Not a theory. A fact that proves it to be so.

And btw. I went to school in Iowa. Go Hawkeyes!

 

[georges]

1) I would think that to be insanely unlikely. But maybe you are an insanely unlikely fellow. No offense.
But seriously. So let me get this straight...you are saying that you understand the differences between what life is like in the United States and Canada because you visited the U.S. last when you were 10 and have never even been to Canada?

2)I wonder if the Bush administration used the same logic to determine how warmly they would be welcomed after they 'liberated' Iraq.
(White House conversation before the Iraqi invasion)
G.W. Bush -- So anyone know how the Iraqis will take to us once we conquer, er I mean, liberate them?
Junior White House aid -- Well sir, I know the people extensively and I am sure they will all welcome us with open arms.
G.W. Bush -- Oh yeah. Well...what is your basis for this knowledge?
Junior White House aid -- Well sir. I visited there about ten times when I was 10.
G.W. Bush -- Well, that's good enough for me. Let's go in then. By the way, anyone got any whiskey?
(sorry Georges. But I could not resist)

3) And finally. A question for you. Can you give me one fact that proves that the world is a better place to live in because of the invasion of Iraq?
Not an opinion from someone. Not a theory. A fact that proves it to be so.

And btw. I went to school in Iowa. Go Hawkeyes!

1)Do you think all people are uncultured and don't interest themselves to other countries? Have you seen the level of schools at the US except prestigious Universities like Harvard, Georgetown, MIT and Yale?
It is not a question of Bermuda or not so don't give me a childish argument.
There are line of character that define the us nation in general:
straightforwardness, fairness, determination, to react quick and to be highly versatile. I never visited Cnada because most of my family and my friends live in the US.
You think you are so sane and better than others?

2)Did you get that from Brino or are you really trying to pass People at the white house and those who voted for them for idiots? You think that is because you live in Canada that the politicians are way better than the U.S. ?
Only a teenager or Michael Moore would write shit like this about Bush taking decisions for going war in Irak.Oh yes for a lot of Liberals Bush is evil and Kerry is God. Haha.Way to fail and show immaturity and also lack the sense of realism. Please give me a better excuse next time.

3) I enclosed a link in one of my posts in that thread , did you read it or did you ignore it?
http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_messopotamian_archive.html#1
read it and next time that something is posted pay attention, please

 

[McRocket]

1)Do you think all people are uncultured and don't interest themselves to other countries? Have you seen the level of schools at the US except prestigious Universities like Harvard, Georgetown, MIT and Yale?
It is not a question of Bermuda or not so don't give me a childish argument.
There are line of character that define the us nation in general:
straightforwardness, fairness, determination, to react quick and to be highly versatile. I never visited Cnada because most of my family and my friends live in the US.
You think you are so sane and better than others?

Where in what I wrote did I say that I thought I was more cultured or better then anyone else? Just for the record - I do not think anyone is better then anyone else.
And I will say what I said before; I do not think you have enough direct experience and emperical data to properly determine whether life is better in the U.S. or Canada.

2)Did you get that from Brino or are you really trying to pass People at the white house and those who voted for them for idiots? You think that is because you live in Canada that the politicians are way better than the U.S. ?
Only a teenager or Michael Moore would write shit like this about Bush taking decisions for going war in Irak.Oh yes for a lot of Liberals Bush is evil and Kerry is God. Haha.Way to fail and show immaturity and also lack the sense of realism. Please give me a better excuse next time.

That whole thing about Bush was called.....a joke. Are people not allowed to make political jokes in your presence if it contradicts your beliefs? I really think you are taking all of this WAY too seriously.
And 'no', I did not get it from Brino.

3) I enclosed a link in one of my posts in that thread , did you read it or did you ignore it?
http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_messopotamian_archive.html#1
read it and next time that something is posted pay attention, please

Well, I glanced at it. But I asked you for a fact, not opinions. If you can come up with a fact that proves that the world is better becuase of the Iraqi invasion; I will sincerely consider it. Thus far, you have not.

And a final question. In all sincerity. Why do you (seemingly) take this stuff SO seriously and personally?

 

[georges]

1)Where in what I wrote did I say that I thought I was more cultured or better then anyone else? Just for the record - I do not think anyone is better then anyone else.
And I will say what I said before; I do not think you have enough direct experience and emperical data to properly determine whether life is better in the U.S. or Canada.

2)That whole thing about Bush was called.....a joke. Are people not allowed to make political jokes in your presence if it contradicts your beliefs? I really think you are taking all of this WAY too seriously.
And 'no', I did not get it from Brino.


3)Well, I glanced at it. But I asked you for a fact, not opinions. If you can come up with a fact that proves that the world is better becuase of the Iraqi invasion; I will sincerely consider it. Thus far, you have not.

4)And a final question. In all sincerity. Why do you (seemingly) take this stuff SO seriously and personally?

1)You seemed to mention indirectly by saying that you lived 2 years in the state and that you know American people better than the others. Proper experience? Probably the fact to be individualistic and to each for his own head is something new for you but not for me, this is found in the conditions of living in U.S.A.probably not in Canada.

2) Jokes? I have seen so many shit and movies bashing the president that I think I can't consider some things for jokes.Disruption is disruption that is like flaming. There is a limit in joking but there is zero tolerance for flaming and criticising everytime someone because of his beliefs or his way of thinking.To be honest with you, I am a short tempered person and I don't like disruption. I am all fine for joking but do it with measure and think that some of your words sometimes can be blessing.I am myself concerned by that too (sometimes I am too straightforward).

3)What an Iraqi said isn't enough for you?

4)That is a personal matter.Politics are rarely a joke for me.

 

[McRocket]

1)You seemed to mention indirectly by saying that you lived 2 years in the state and that you know American people better than the others. Proper experience? Probably the fact to be individualistic and to each for his own head is something new for you but not for me, this is found in the conditions of living in U.S.A.probably not in Canada.

All I said was that I probably know the difference between the two nations better then you do. Not others. Just you.
Where did I say anything about disliking individualism? I did not. But you inferred it. You are mistaken if you say I dislike individualism.

2) Jokes? I have seen so many shit and movies bashing the president that I think I can't consider some things for jokes.Disruption is disruption that is like flaming. There is a limit in joking but there is zero tolerance for flaming and criticising everytime someone because of his beliefs or his way of thinking.To be honest with you, I am a short tempered person and I don't like disruption. I am all fine for joking but do it with measure and think that some of your words sometimes can be blessing.I am myself concerned by that too (sometimes I am too straightforward).

Disruption? Flaming? Zero tolerance for flaming. What on Earth are you talking about? Someone makes a political joke and you have zero tolerance for it. Do you wear a swastika on your arm?
'I am a short tempered person...' Ahhh, no kidding.
'...and I don't like disruption.' What exactly do you mean by 'disruption'?

3)What an Iraqi said isn't enough for you?

I didn't read it. No, one Iraqi's opinion out of, what, 30,000,000 is not going to convince me (whatever he/she said).
And besides. I asked for a fact, not an opinion. And you still have not given me one.

4)That is a personal matter.Politics are rarely a joke for me.

What do you say to a girlfriend if she makes a political joke that goes against your beliefs? Let me guess...'that is personal'.

Georges. I am not trying to bate you (well, not really). But you do, in my opinion, take all this political stuff way to personally. I highly doubt you will heed my advice. But, I would be derelict as a fellow human if I did not try and help you. No doubt, that statement will make you angry also.

 

[member5726]

One iraquis said that he like the US in Iraq... so he must be right... one american say Bush is a bad president he must be wrong... I'm confused ....

But i'm canadian maybe that's why i'm so easily confused... and i never visited Iraq, so why should i talk about it... i should shut up like so many others... :tongue:

 

[Brino]

I expected that from you Brino,I wasted my time to prouve you how you were wrong by believing that Kerry will win elections.Oh yes like Ranger said "when a democrat loses it is always a case of fraud and intimidation".
But if you feel so unhappy in the U.S. why don't you go live in Canada?

Uh Excuse me but wasn't it you who said that the Washington State Election was a result of fraud and didn't the republican lose here? Get your facts straight.

 

[georges]

Uh Excuse me but wasn't it you who said that the Washington State Election was a result of fraud and didn't the republican lose here? Get your facts straight.

But wasn't it you who said that the presidential election was a fraud? Right? Quit the whining please.

 

[Brino]

But wasn't it you who said that the presidential election was a fraud? Right? Quit the whining please.

Not really, I may have touched that subject a little bit but it was really foxfilm who kept saying it was fraud. That's not really the point anyways, just because we say there was fraud that makes it ok for you to say there was fraud? So if we jumped off a bridge would you too?

 

[georges]

1)All I said was that I probably know the difference between the two nations better then you do. Not others. Just you.
Where did I say anything about disliking individualism? I did not. But you inferred it. You are mistaken if you say I dislike individualism.

2)Disruption? Flaming? Zero tolerance for flaming. What on Earth are you talking about? Someone makes a political joke and you have zero tolerance for it. Do you wear a swastika on your arm?
'I am a short tempered person...' Ahhh, no kidding.
'...and I don't like disruption.' What exactly do you mean by 'disruption'?

3)I didn't read it. No, one Iraqi's opinion out of, what, 30,000,000 is not going to convince me (whatever he/she said).
And besides. I asked for a fact, not an opinion. And you still have not given me one.

4) What do you say to a girlfriend if she makes a political joke that goes against your beliefs? Let me guess...'that is personal'.

Georges. I am not trying to bate you (well, not really). But you do, in my opinion, take all this political stuff way to personally. I highly doubt you will heed my advice. But, I would be derelict as a fellow human if I did not try and help you. No doubt, that statement will make you angry also.

1) In a certain way yes, because you said that "And I much prefer here. Yes, we don't have as much as the US. But we take care of each other better and we have less to fear up here (economically) then the average American does. Now if we can just get our taxes down..." It is a certain way of disliking individualism in my honest point of view.

2) Do you always put a sticker and made such statements against people who respect discipline? Did you honestly thaught before writing that crap
"Do you wear a swastika on your arm? " or did you just did it in order to anger me?
Answer the question please. By saying such things you should realize that you are insulting my person and blessing me.I imagine what it would have been if I would have said that on you. But apparently weighting your words before typing you probably don't know that. Sarcasm or not,I don't care, it was aimed at me and in a very negative way. If you are someone who have respect for the other (in that case me), you would apologize. Political joke as I said these jokes are beginning to be tiresome and are only here to show that the decisions which are taken are the wrong ones.

4) You are totally wrong on that one and usual you can't and you aren't able to guess my thaughts.I will answer her "Are you trying to be smart by babling some 15 year old childish shit? Do you honestely think that what you said was needed or was a sign of intelligence? You ridiculized yourself.Yes sorry to be so direct. When nothing clever to say better say nothing".

 

[georges]

First. I do not realy understand your point about Al Zarquawi.
Second. You seem like a decent sort. But you also sem a bit touchy.
a)I did not say you are a student of history. I said you SEEM like a student of history. The inference was that you seeem to know your history fairly well. I wasen't saying you took history in school or anything.
b) And I said you SEEM to hate all that is left.... I never once claimed to know you. If you are going to make relatively strong statements about things. I think you had better be prepared for people to assume that you feel a certain way about things.
c)You said I typed misleading things about you. Fine. Tell me one (or more) things I typed that was misleading about you. And if it is so, I will apologize.
Then you made the statement 'You must eradicate extremism and terrorism before it invades your country.' You sound like the poster boy for the Bush administration. Am I not allowed (by your standards) to judge your believes on such an extremist statement. I stand beghind everything I say or write. I am not so sure that you do the same. But I could be wrong.
d)'The U.S. soldiers represent the majority of the UN soldiers.' Where did you read that? That is not so. The UN 'soldiers' are made up of whatever countries are prepared to go to war for a particular UN operation. And since the other countries in the UN combined have far more soldiers then the US, your statement is innaccurate. And I don't see the poit of it anyway. And what does the fact that they have a veto have to do with anything?
e)And finally, I did not say France was defeated in 1918. I said that they were invaded three times ( 1871 - actually it was 1870 - , 1918 and 1939 - actually it was 1940). I said they were defeated twice. They were defeated in 1940. And in 1871, Paris came under seige for many months by the Germans and Frnace signed an armistice. I would call that being defeated. And that is twice. Once in 1871 and once in 1940.
Oh, and you mentioned all these air aces and stuff in WW1. You obviously know something of history. Why are you so touchy when someone states that you seem to know history (somewhat) when you obviously do?

a) I didn't need that you said that I seemed to be a student. Because I am not a student anymore.
b) Again you say "You seem". Do not make that kind of statement on me,because you personnally don't know what I think and with what I agree or disagree.
I know what are my feelings,there are some things that were done in a wrong manner and others in a good manner.
c) You always say "You seem" that is misleading because you are trying to imply something which isn't or doesn't correspond to the truth. Better drop your seem comments on my person.
About my sentence against terrorism,it is my personal belief which I am entitled to. If I am a poster boy for the Bush administration so you are a Kerry spokesperson. But I won't make that comment because it is not good to put a sticker on someone, that is too easy. When someone expresses himself in a strong manner then he is criticized. But there is a constructive way of criticism and there is disruption. What is disruption:an attitude that tends to break the rules and be irrespectful against the others. You are allowed to express your thaughts but not to insult and flame persons.
For your information, I am always standing by what I write.The very old members will tell you that.
d)In a military magazine. By the veto, I meant that the U.S. can oppose itself to the U.N. resolution and has not to wait U.N.'s order for taking decisions and actions.
e)Petain, he and the vichy regime scumbags have dirtied the honor of France.
Sorry if I have been that touchy but you presented France as a country that surrendered without mentioning because of who it surrendered in 1940 and why was it defeated in 1870.

 

[member5726]

Come on Georges, relax a little... its the WEEK-END !! :nanner: :banger: artysml: :crowdgrin

 

[georges]

Bigdan

There are some things I can tolerate and other I can't especially when one walks on my toes or is trying put the wrong sticker on me. I will not relax till I don't have an answer to my posts and till I don't have a personal apology from the person who put the sticker on me. That is all.

regards

Georges

 

[dirtydawg]

if flaming was allowed i'd have georges lit up like the hindenburg right now. just take it easy, your wrong, pretty much every time you speak, your wrong.

 

[georges]

if flaming was allowed i'd have georges lit up like the hindenburg right now. just take it easy, your wrong, pretty much every time you speak, your wrong.

You don't know what you are talking about. Read what Mcrocket said to me. But probably you don't realize what is the weight of words,you are probably too young to understand that and let me solve my matters alone, ok thanks.
I am right and please avoid to give me your input which is not needed.

 

[dirtydawg]

oh man, i totally messed up there, what i meant to say was that georgees is a genius... always right, georges could never be wrong, adn the mere thought of such matters only brings my view of the universe to a more convoluted and polluted state than my youthful and ignorant mind should ever dwell in. I apologize for the error in my ways, and thank you for shwoing me the path of truth and light, i will follow georges blidnly in whatever his opinion may be, thereby ennsuring that I make wise and correct decions consistently throughout the rest of my time here on freeones. Georges, may you continue to never, ever be wrong.

 

[georges]

oh man, i totally messed up there, what i meant to say was that georgees is a genius... always right, georges could never be wrong, adn the mere thought of such matters only brings my view of the universe to a more convoluted and polluted state than my youthful and ignorant mind should ever dwell in. I apologize for the error in my ways, and thank you for shwoing me the path of truth and light, i will follow georges blidnly in whatever his opinion may be, thereby ennsuring that I make wise and correct decions consistently throughout the rest of my time here on freeones. Georges, may you continue to never, ever be wrong.

that is enough for me. I told you something but you seem not to understand it. MCrocket said that to me "Do you wear a swastika on your arm? " and you try to tell me to take this remark as if it was nothing:wtf: I don't need your Ironic talk because I know that is more sarcasm (if not hypocrisy) than anything else.Keep it to yourself. As I told you let me solve that matter alone.I am right in that case to defend myself and you can't deny that.

 

[McRocket]

1) In a certain way yes, because you said that "And I much prefer here. Yes, we don't have as much as the US. But we take care of each other better and we have less to fear up here (economically) then the average American does. Now if we can just get our taxes down..." It is a certain way of disliking individualism in my honest point of view.

Fine. However, your views on my thoughts on individualism are incorrect.

2) Do you always put a sticker and made such statements against people who respect discipline? Did you honestly thaught before writing that crap
"Do you wear a swastika on your arm? " or did you just did it in order to anger me?
Answer the question please. By saying such things you should realize that you are insulting my person and blessing me.I imagine what it would have been if I would have said that on you. But apparently weighting your words before typing you probably don't know that. Sarcasm or not,I don't care, it was aimed at me and in a very negative way. If you are someone who have respect for the other (in that case me), you would apologize. Political joke as I said these jokes are beginning to be tiresome and are only here to show that the decisions which are taken are the wrong ones.

One. I think you are taking the swastika comment too seriously (again). But I will answer your question. No, I do not believe I did it to anger you. And I said it because all you seem to do in these political comments of yours is order people around and tell them what to do. Also, you seem to tolerate no political view that does not go along with your theories. That sounds similar to how nazi's behave. And since you live in Europe and seem to know some history I thought that this example would make it clear to you what I thought of your behaviour.
You say if I respect you I will apologize.
1) Apologoze for what? I did not call you a Nazi. I asked if you wore a swastika. It was a question, not an accusation. I hesitate to apologize for asking a question.
...however...
2) You obviously took it as an accusation. However, I do not respect the way you treat others in these political discussions. You are arrogant, condescending and bullying. You seem decent enough in normal discussions. But once politics starts up; you act very disrespectfully to others. If you are going to treat others like that; then you cannot realistically expect to be treated respectfully. BUT...I probably should not call a Frenchman a Nazi (afterwhat happened in WW2 and all). So, I regret if my comment brought you undeserved stress. I should have called you a fascist, not inferred you could be a Nazi.

So...I will rephrase the question. Are you a fascist?

4) You are totally wrong on that one and usual you can't and you aren't able to guess my thaughts.I will answer her "Are you trying to be smart by babling some 15 year old childish shit? Do you honestely think that what you said was needed or was a sign of intelligence? You ridiculized yourself.Yes sorry to be so direct. When nothing clever to say better say nothing".

I did not tell you what you would say to her. I asked you what you would say to her. And your answer is a little scarrier then I first thought it would be.
You see if a galfriend of mine made a political joke that was different then my beliefs I think I would either laugh (if I found it funny), jokingly roll my eyes at her or no, that is probably it. I wouldn't take it (I assume and hope) NEARLY as serious as you do/would.

You do believe in free speech, don't you?