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[McRocket]

a) I didn't need that you said that I seemed to be a student. Because I am not a student anymore.

I did not call you a student. I said you seemed like a student of history. It is a figure of speech. It means you seem to know your history. It was meant as a compliment.

b) Again you say "You seem". Do not make that kind of statement on me,because you personnally don't know what I think and with what I agree or disagree.
I know what are my feelings,there are some things that were done in a wrong manner and others in a good manner.

I say you seem because I cannot know what you are thinking. So I say 'you seem' to mean what it reads as. 'You seem to mean...'

c) You always say "You seem" that is misleading because you are trying to imply something which isn't or doesn't correspond to the truth. Better drop your seem comments on my person.
About my sentence against terrorism,it is my personal belief which I am entitled to. If I am a poster boy for the Bush administration so you are a Kerry spokesperson. But I won't make that comment because it is not good to put a sticker on someone, that is too easy. When someone expresses himself in a strong manner then he is criticized. But there is a constructive way of criticism and there is disruption. What is disruption:an attitude that tends to break the rules and be irrespectful against the others. You are allowed to express your thaughts but not to insult and flame persons.
For your information, I am always standing by what I write.The very old members will tell you that.

- I am not a Kerry fan. As I have said on numerous occasions; I was in the anybody but Bush camp.
- Georges, I think I treat you with as much respect as you warrant. I also believe that I treat you with as much respect as anyone else on this site. I do not believe you do the same. Nothing I have said to you so far (as far as I can remember) was said out of malice or was (again as far as I am aware) inaccurate.

[d)In a military magazine. By the veto, I meant that the U.S. can oppose itself to the U.N. resolution and has not to wait U.N.'s order for taking decisions and actions.
e)Petain, he and the vichy regime scumbags have dirtied the honor of France.
Sorry if I have been that touchy but you presented France as a country that surrendered without mentioning because of who it surrendered in 1940 and why was it defeated in 1870.

France was defeated in 1870 and 1940 beacuse Germany was far stronger militarily then France was. And, at least in 1940, used far more effective military tactics then France did. I did not think I needed to tell a Frenchman the obvious.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question. Name me a fact that proves that the world is better off today because of the Iraqi invasion. Or are you not going to answer that one? If you can't, fair enough though. And I will let it go.

 

[georges]

1)Fine. However, your views on my thoughts on individualism are incorrect.
One. I think you are taking the swastika comment too seriously (again). But I will answer your question. No, I do not believe I did it to anger you. And I said it because all you seem to do in these political comments of yours is order people around and tell them what to do. Also, you seem to tolerate no political view that does not go along with your theories. That sounds similar to how nazi's behave. And since you live in Europe and seem to know some history I thought that this example would make it clear to you what I thought of your behaviour.
You say if I respect you I will apologize.
a) Apologoze for what? I did not call you a Nazi. I asked if you wore a swastika. It was a question, not an accusation. I hesitate to apologize for asking a question.
...however...
b) You obviously took it as an accusation. However, I do not respect the way you treat others in these political discussions. You are arrogant, condescending and bullying. You seem decent enough in normal discussions. 2)But once politics starts up; you act very disrespectfully to others. If you are going to treat others like that; then you cannot realistically expect to be treated respectfully. BUT...I probably should not call a Frenchman a Nazi (afterwhat happened in WW2 and all). So, I regret if my comment brought you undeserved stress. I should have called you a fascist, not inferred you could be a Nazi.
So...I will rephrase the question. Are you a fascist?

3) I did not tell you what you would say to her. I asked you what you would say to her. And your answer is a little scarrier then I first thought it would be.
You see if a galfriend of mine made a political joke that was different then my beliefs I think I would either laugh (if I found it funny), jokingly roll my eyes at her or no, that is probably it. I wouldn't take it (I assume and hope) NEARLY as serious as you do/would.
You do believe in free speech, don't you?

1) Because if you are individualistic it is to each for his own head and you wouldn't care so much of the others.That is to be individualistic. But I think we have our own definition of individualism.
You angered me with your question because something that has a relationship with nazism or swastiska can't be taken as a joke because millions of people have died in camps as well as on battlefields for fighting nazism. And you have the nerve to tell me to take it as a joke!!!! :wtf:
Ordering people? Probably you prefer to hear some childish 15 years old crap but I don't think it is the case of many people.
I am all for point of views and theories which are constructive, objective and but not ones filled with childishness and disruption.
"That sounds similar to how nazi's behave. And since you live in Europe and seem to know some history I thought that this example would make it clear to you what I thought of your behaviour."
Nazi Behaviour? You once again accuse me of something which is a lie and bullshit. Do you know that nazis were racist, beat people to death and kill them after? Never make that kind of comparison with my person again, do you understand?
You don't know how I behave but you behave like a person who has absolutely not respect for the others.Did I ever put a sticker on your name?
No then drop that crap now. Did you ever heard the word discipline?
a) question or not, you insinuated something. And if I asked you "Do you have a confederate southern cross on your arm?" You wouldn't like it, so don't do the others what you don't want be done to you.
b) Arrogant ? False. I am just speaking my mind. I have seen a lot of arrogance during the election and all the threads related to it. Bullying? I prefer to be very frank and honest with at 100% I know sometimes I am brutal but none is perfect. Disrespectful? No, but if one pisses me off I will answer him in a stronger way.I am not used than one walks on my toes simple as it is.
What a dumb question!!! The answer is evident it is. No.
A question for you: Do you always make that kind of statement on people that think differently and provocate them?
3) As I said you previously, childish talks don't make people more clever, they are a waste of time and are often useless.So why laughing at something useless. I believe in freedom of speech and discipline.

 

[McRocket]

1) Because if you are individualistic it is to each for his own head and you wouldn't care so much of the others.That is to be individualistic. But I think we have our own definition of individualism.
You angered me with your question because something that has a relationship with nazism or swastiska can't be taken as a joke because millions of people have died in camps as well as on battlefields for fighting nazism. And you have the nerve to tell me to take it as a joke!!!! :wtf:
Ordering people? Probably you prefer to hear some childish 15 years old crap but I don't think it is the case of many people.
I am all for point of views and theories which are constructive, objective and but not ones filled with childishness and disruption.
"That sounds similar to how nazi's behave. And since you live in Europe and seem to know some history I thought that this example would make it clear to you what I thought of your behaviour."

Okay.....

Nazi Behaviour? You once again accuse me of something which is a lie and bullshit. Do you know that nazis were racist, beat people to death and kill them after? Never make that kind of comparison with my person again, do you understand?

Yes, I understand. I think your behaviour reminds me of a (neo) Nazi. Do you read me right Georges? I am directly comparing your behaviour to that of a neo Nazi.
That's what comes from trying to order another person around Georges. Fascist's do that, don't they?

You don't know how I behave but you behave like a person who has absolutely not respect for the others.Did I ever put a sticker on your name?
No then drop that crap now. Did you ever heard the word discipline?
a) question or not, you insinuated something. And if I asked you "Do you have a confederate southern cross on your arm?" You wouldn't like it, so don't do the others what you don't want be done to you.
b) Arrogant ? False. I am just speaking my mind. I have seen a lot of arrogance during the election and all the threads related to it. Bullying? I prefer to be very frank and honest with at 100% I know sometimes I am brutal but none is perfect. Disrespectful? No, but if one pisses me off I will answer him in a stronger way.I am not used than one walks on my toes simple as it is.
What a dumb question!!! The answer is evident it is. No.
A question for you: Do you always make that kind of statement on people that think differently and provocate them?
3) As I said you previously, childish talks don't make people more clever, they are a waste of time and are often useless.So why laughing at something useless. I believe in freedom of speech and discipline.

Well, I am glad you are not a fascist Georges.
So... until we chat again...have a nice day...honestly.

 

[member5726]

I'm still waiting for him to answer the question about the world being a better place...

 

[ÆGEAN]

WEEKEND...........................(look below)

:rofl:

 

[McRocket]

I guess Georges, that you are not going to answer the question; name one fact that proves that the world is better off because of the invasion of Iraq?

Pity.

 

[georges]

I guess Georges, that you are not going to answer the question; name one fact that proves that the world is better off because of the invasion of Iraq?

Pity.

The destrcution of saddam regime and the start of the establishment of a democracy in Irak. Now you give me one good fact why Iraq shouldn't have been invaded.

 

[McRocket]

The destrcution of saddam regime and the start of the establishment of a democracy in Irak. Now you give me one good fact why Iraq shouldn't have been invaded.

That's the best you can do? To state the obvious? I thought You Might have done better.

But as lame as your answer was, I will reply to your question. One fact why Iraq shouldn't have been invaded.

-I will give you thousands of facts. The over 1000 U.S. soldiers that have been killed so far. And the tens of thousands of Iraqi's that have been killed.

-The 'fact' that it was an illegal war - by UN international rules, which the U.S. (I believe) signed.

-It gives all other countries free reign to handle their problems in the same way. If Russia wants to go into Chechnya or it's border states and wipeout every person they call a 'terrorist' and kill hundreds of thousands in the process; they can because they only have to say they were doing what the U.S. did. Fighting terrorism.
The Bush administration has made invasions legal. If you do not see the dangers in that (which I am quite sure you do not) then I reiterate my contention that You Might be a closet fascist; if not in fact; at least in spirit. That is not to insult. Simply an opinion. (and I am NOT accusing you of being racist. Just dictatorial in nature)

I will attempt to give you more facts when and if you stop sounding like the poster boy for the Bush administration and come up with a fact on your own.

Have a nice day. And I mean that sincerely. Though I don't think I like you. You speak your opinion and we are all equals. Except, unlike you, I respect ALL opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

 

[member2686]

Chechnya Info

Here's an old link, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/458031.stm and then this one: http://www.google.com/search?source...XA:2004-49,DVXA:en&q=Russia+Chechnya+invasion :hatsoff:

This thread has certainly turned from its original intentions! LOL

-It gives all other countries free reign to handle their problems in the same way. If Russia wants to go into Chechnya or it's border states and wipeout every person they call a 'terrorist' and kill hundreds of thousands in the process; they can because they only have to say they were doing what the U.S. did. Fighting terrorism.

 

[georges]

That's the best you can do? To state the obvious? I thought You Might have done better.

But as lame as your answer was, I will reply to your question. One fact why Iraq shouldn't have been invaded.

-I will give you thousands of facts. The over 1000 U.S. soldiers that have been killed so far. And the tens of thousands of Iraqi's that have been killed.

-The 'fact' that it was an illegal war - by UN international rules, which the U.S. (I believe) signed.

-It gives all other countries free reign to handle their problems in the same way. If Russia wants to go into Chechnya or it's border states and wipeout every person they call a 'terrorist' and kill hundreds of thousands in the process; they can because they only have to say they were doing what the U.S. did. Fighting terrorism.
The Bush administration has made invasions legal. If you do not see the dangers in that (which I am quite sure you do not) then I reiterate my contention that You Might be a closet fascist; if not in fact; at least in spirit. That is not to insult. Simply an opinion. (and I am NOT accusing you of being racist. Just dictatorial in nature)

I will attempt to give you more facts when and if you stop sounding like the poster boy for the Bush administration and come up with a fact on your own.

Have a nice day. And I mean that sincerely. Though I don't think I like you. You speak your opinion and we are all equals. Except, unlike you, I respect ALL opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

Because you think that when you make a war ther will be no dead? On which earth are you man?
Here are some facts for you
http://70.85.38.54/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1972
http://pages.videotron.com/edualc/American Public Opinion.htm

Because before with saddam's regime, maybe it was better? Certainly not.
" If you do not see the dangers in that (which I am quite sure you do not) then I reiterate my contention that You Might be a closet fascist; if not in fact; at least in spirit. That is not to insult. Simply an opinion. (and I am NOT accusing you of being racist. Just dictatorial in nature)"
I asked you to stop to call me a facist and to put stickers on my name, is that difficult for you to do it?
I imagine what it would be if I called retarded leftist, you wouldn't like it so stop calling me facist, do you understand mcrocket? I will not tolerate that someone walks on my toes continually and insults my name.
Dictatorial nature, bs before saying something prejudiciable on someone you don't know weight the consequences of your words and stop thinking that you know me PERSONNALLY because you don't know me at all.
Poster boy? No I am speaking my mind but maybe when someone thinks in the opposite of you, it is too difficult to realize for you that he is speaking his mind.
None forces you to like me, you insulted me more than you respected me so why I would like you. I respect all opinions but not childishness, disruption and of course insults made directly on my name.

 

[member5726]

Sometimes Georges i wonder if you know how to read... you see that's upsetting you and you see nothing else... take the time to read the WHOLE thing...

 

[georges]

Sometimes Georges i wonder if you know how to read... you see that's upsetting you and you see nothing else... take the time to read the WHOLE thing...

I read the whole thing and please don't tell me what I have to do.
First of all, the person in question insinuated something grave on my name and I will certainly not let myself insulted by a person who is used to put stickers on a person that she doesn't know.
Second, I am not the one who give up in this situation.
I have enough respect for myself and for my pride for not letting myself being insulted by a person who doesn't probably know the respect of others and some politness.

 

[ÆGEAN]

no
i wouldn't like it if i was called a nazi!

 

[McRocket]

Because you think that when you make a war ther will be no dead? On which earth are you man?
Here are some facts for you
http://70.85.38.54/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1972
http://pages.videotron.com/edualc/American Public Opinion.htm

Because before with saddam's regime, maybe it was better? Certainly not.
" If you do not see the dangers in that (which I am quite sure you do not) then I reiterate my contention that You Might be a closet fascist; if not in fact; at least in spirit. That is not to insult. Simply an opinion. (and I am NOT accusing you of being racist. Just dictatorial in nature)"
I asked you to stop to call me a facist and to put stickers on my name, is that difficult for you to do it?
I imagine what it would be if I called retarded leftist, you wouldn't like it so stop calling me facist, do you understand mcrocket? I will not tolerate that someone walks on my toes continually and insults my name.
Dictatorial nature, bs before saying something prejudiciable on someone you don't know weight the consequences of your words and stop thinking that you know me PERSONNALLY because you don't know me at all.
Poster boy? No I am speaking my mind but maybe when someone thinks in the opposite of you, it is too difficult to realize for you that he is speaking his mind.
None forces you to like me, you insulted me more than you respected me so why I would like you. I respect all opinions but not childishness, disruption and of course insults made directly on my name.

This is getting silly.

At www.m-w.com (an online dictionary) under fascist, there are 2 descriptions. The first one does NOT apply to you. But the second one might. It reads, 'a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.' I believe you sometimes act like that when you answer these political threads.
That is why I think You Might be a fascist. And I definitely believe that you sometimes act like one. And your political beliefs do seem to be along the lines of autocracy and forcefulness. I do not mean to offend. Nor am I trying to start a fight. I am simply stating an opinion.
And if you want to call me a retarded leftist, go ahead. I do not think I am retarded. But that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

And I hate to sound juvenile. But I was prepared to let it all go. But after you 'ordered' me to stop calling you it; well, I just could not resist. Look Georges, I am not trying to hurt your feelings. If I am honestly hurting your feelings; then just tell me and I will stop calling you a fascist. But I think you are more angry that a 'leftist' dared to call you a name, then you are actually hurt by the remark.
But if I am wrong, and the comment causes you pain. Please tell me and I will cease and desist with my apologies. But ordering me to stop just is not going to work with me. Nor should it with anyone.


And back to the question at hand...yes, I know people usually get killed in a war. And I just don't think that whatever was gained by this 'illegal' war was worth all the lives that it cost. And is continuing to cost. And I doubt most of the relatives of those killed think it was worth it either.

 

[georges]

This is getting silly.

At www.m-w.com (an online dictionary) under fascist, there are 2 descriptions. The first one does NOT apply to you. But the second one might. It reads, 'a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.' I believe you sometimes act like that when you answer these political threads.
1)That is why I think You Might be a fascist. And I definitely believe that you sometimes act like one. And your political beliefs do seem to be along the lines of autocracy and forcefulness. I do not mean to offend. Nor am I trying to start a fight. I am simply stating an opinion.
2)And if you want to call me a retarded leftist, go ahead. I do not think I am retarded. But that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

3)And I hate to sound juvenile. But I was prepared to let it all go. But after you 'ordered' me to stop calling you it; well, I just could not resist. Look Georges, I am not trying to hurt your feelings. If I am honestly hurting your feelings; then just tell me and I will stop calling you a fascist. But I think you are more angry that a 'leftist' dared to call you a name, then you are actually hurt by the remark.
4) But if I am wrong, and the comment causes you pain. Please tell me and I will cease and desist with my apologies. But ordering me to stop just is not going to work with me. Nor should it with anyone.

I will tell you one thing putting stickers on people's name is not the solution. This got silly because you started to make senseless comparisons.

1)"That is why I think You Might be a fascist. And I definitely believe that you sometimes act like one. And your political beliefs do seem to be along the lines of autocracy and forcefulness. I do not mean to offend. Nor am I trying to start a fight. I am simply stating an opinion."
Have you ever heard the word discipline? No my political beliefs are certainly not along with autocracy and forcefulness. Do you know me personnally for saying that? No you don't.
Yes you were probably trying to start a fight probably by calling me names and putting a sticker on me and that is my opinion.
2)"And if you want to call me a retarded leftist, go ahead. I do not think I am retarded." I wanted to prouve you that putting a sticker on one's name is not something clever because you don't know the person's feelings and you wouldn't want the same done to you.

3)"And I hate to sound juvenile. But I was prepared to let it all go. But after you 'ordered' me to stop calling you it; well, I just could not resist. Look Georges, I am not trying to hurt your feelings. If I am honestly hurting your feelings; then just tell me and I will stop calling you a fascist. But I think you are more angry that a 'leftist' dared to call you a name, then you are actually hurt by the remark."
Because getting on people's nerve and callling them names as well as putting stickers on them is a way to behave? Yes you hurt my feelings and you are lieing about me with your approximative judgements.

4)"But if I am wrong, and the comment causes you pain. Please tell me and I will cease and desist with my apologies. But ordering me to stop just is not going to work with me. Nor should it with anyone."
I asked you several times to drop it.Your comments towards me are harassment, disruption and they are insults. Not only your comments cause a lot of harm but also they show disrespect.So I will ask you to cease and apologize to me please for what you have said on my name.

 

[LetoII]

c'mon, georges, cool it down. it ain't THAT bad, is it ?! and he practically apologized already, so let's just forget it.

uuuuhhhm, what was this thread about again ??????

 

[McRocket]

I will tell you one thing putting stickers on people's name is not the solution. This got silly because you started to make senseless comparisons.

1)"That is why I think You Might be a fascist. And I definitely believe that you sometimes act like one. And your political beliefs do seem to be along the lines of autocracy and forcefulness. I do not mean to offend. Nor am I trying to start a fight. I am simply stating an opinion."
Have you ever heard the word discipline? No my political beliefs are certainly not along with autocracy and forcefulness. Do you know me personnally for saying that? No you don't.
Yes you were probably trying to start a fight probably by calling me names and putting a sticker on me and that is my opinion.
2)"And if you want to call me a retarded leftist, go ahead. I do not think I am retarded." I wanted to prouve you that putting a sticker on one's name is not something clever because you don't know the person's feelings and you wouldn't want the same done to you.

3)"And I hate to sound juvenile. But I was prepared to let it all go. But after you 'ordered' me to stop calling you it; well, I just could not resist. Look Georges, I am not trying to hurt your feelings. If I am honestly hurting your feelings; then just tell me and I will stop calling you a fascist. But I think you are more angry that a 'leftist' dared to call you a name, then you are actually hurt by the remark."
Because getting on people's nerve and callling them names as well as putting stickers on them is a way to behave? Yes you hurt my feelings and you are lieing about me with your approximative judgements.

4)"But if I am wrong, and the comment causes you pain. Please tell me and I will cease and desist with my apologies. But ordering me to stop just is not going to work with me. Nor should it with anyone."
I asked you several times to drop it.Your comments towards me are harassment, disruption and they are insults. Not only your comments cause a lot of harm but also they show disrespect.So I will ask you to cease and apologize to me please for what you have said on my name.

Okay Georges. Although I still think you are a closet fascist and that opinion of you has not changed. And thusly, I cannot in good conscience retract what I still believe to be true. And I will not apologize for something that I also believe to be true.

However....

to cause you pain was not the intent. And so I genuinely regret any undue pain that me calling you a fascist caused you...and I will never intentionally call you that again.

Can I call you a dictator? A closet dictator? A dictator wannebe? A totalitarian? A right winger? An anti-liberal? A conservative? lol

Also, how the heck can you be in sales with skin that thin?

 

[thfcmad]

OK, im closing this thread coz im sick of georges whinging. There is no flaming in this thread, theres nothing wrong with it but im sick of keep getting georges reporting this thread coz hes unhappy with something someone has said. I have 1 thing to say georges- you give it out enough so its about time you grew up and accept criticism when it comes your way and stop whining to us. Someone has the intelligence to challenge your views and you throw a strop about it. Im sorry for everyone else that has partaken in this thread. Georges if you dont like it dont respond, dont read it, i believe in the past that has been your advice.

 

[ÆGEAN]

i have spoken to georges and i too would be offended if I was called a nazi as my grandfather was a partisan fighting in Macedonia so i too would feel upset. therefore i will add this as i find mcrocket's comments offensive.