Dept of Justice Says States Can Legalize Pot! Police Groups are PISSED!

[Mayhem]

The information is completely false.

And when you say these people "specialize" in alcohol and drug problems, do you mean that this is how they make their living?

 

[assari]

The information is completely false.

And when you say these people "specialize" in alcohol and drug problems, do you mean that this is how they make their living?

The link is owned by the A-Clinic Foundation.

Its mission is to provide information about alcohol and drugs and it will also take care of alcoholics and drug addicts and it is funded by Finnish taxpayers.

Will they give false information about alcohol and drugs?

Pretty hard to believe.

 

[georges]

The information is completely false.

And when you say these people "specialize" in alcohol and drug problems, do you mean that this is how they make their living?

Yes that is what he means

 

[Mayhem]

If the two of you would actually read the threads that you partiipate in, you would see that false information is their stock in trade. Marijuana/Hemp is the most lied about plant/substance that I am aware of. In terms of weed causing schizophrenia, panic, depression and loss of coordination, I'm calling it a blatant lie and anyone who spreads it a liar.

 

[georges]

If the two of you would actually read the threads that you partiipate in, you would see that false information is their stock in trade. Marijuana/Hemp is the most lied about plant/substance that I am aware of. In terms of weed causing schizophrenia, panic, depression and loss of coordination, I'm calling it a blatant lie and anyone who spreads it a liar.

How much weed users do you know that have still their whole memory intact and who haven't had a car accident??? I know that some rich daddyspoilstoomuchlittlejohnny or daddyspoilstoomuchlittlekim that are junkies, but that doesn't mean that by smoking marijuana your health won't degrade or that you won't have any problem on the short or the mid term. Prove me with medical facts or from a well known doctor that marijuana is absolutely harmless and I will believe you, but till it is not the case, you are the one who is a liar.

 

[assari]

In terms of weed causing schizophrenia, panic, depression and loss of coordination, I'm calling it a blatant lie and anyone who spreads it a liar.

Ok, but I do not believe that this is the issue where there is only one true.

 

[Mayhem]

How much weed users do you know that have still their whole memory intact and who haven't had a car accident??? I know that some rich daddyspoilstoomuchlittlejohnny or daddyspoilstoomuchlittlekim that are junkies, but that doesn't mean that by smoking marijuana your health won't degrade or that you won't have any problem on the short or the mid term. Prove me with medical facts or from a well known doctor that marijuana is absolutely harmless and I will believe you, but till it is not the case, you are the one who is a liar.

I don't know what drug advertising you have in Europe but here in the US it's everywhere - TV, print and radio. The side effects of whatever they're pushing has to be listed. So fuck off with this "absolutely harmless" bullshit because it applies to nothing. Including water. And you know this but you insist on wasting time, just like earlier with your "weed cartels now that it's legal" bs.

As a professional poker dealer I live in an industry where hand/eye coordination, math skills, dealing with people and their money, high pressure, possible TV coverage, following strict procedures and a list of other skills is our job requirement. And a truism that you'll hear from many more people than me is the best dealers are potheads. Including at least two former WSOP Dealers-of-the-Year. And including me. Once again this year, I dealt the WSOP and the Venetian Deep Stack and got one compliment after another and a shitload of money. High as a fuckin' kite the entire time. And I'm not making this up. Player after player, day after day, "thanks for the great job dude. Always nice to have a REAL dealer." Same thing with my friends, all as wasted as I am.

As far as medical proof, there is documentary after documentary, there is peer reviewed research that stretches on forever, and there are two US states that decided to quit wasting everyones time on an issue that is no issue. With more to follow.

 

[Mariahxxx]

hmmm let's see.. Richard Branson smokes weed all the time. as did Steve Jobs. they seem dumb or forgetful to you?

weed has a ton of propaganda because it has been demonized. do YOu think it should be a class a felony equal to heroine and cocaine? it is VERY clear you have never smoked weed.

 

[georges]

Steve Jobs and Richard Jobs are two highly well known personalities and outstanding entrepreneurs or self made men. Jobs founded his firm apple in 1975. And Branson founded Virgin in the late 1980's. If you compare the average joe who smokes weed, whodoesn't have a bachelor degree or a MBA, he will never ever be like them. Heroin and Cocaine are far worse than Weed I agree. But like I told you in the past I am not interested in drugs, I have never smoked weed and I avoid at all costs to frequent places where the crowd is composed of any kind of drug addicts who can be unpredictable and who always look for trouble.

 

[Mayhem]

Steve Jobs and Richard Jobs are two highly well known personalities and outstanding entrepreneurs or self made men. Jobs founded his firm apple in 1975. And Branson founded Virgin in the late 1980's. If you compare the average joe who smokes weed, whodoesn't have a bachelor degree or a MBA, he will never ever be like them. Heroin and Cocaine are far worse than Weed I agree. But like I told you in the past I am not interested in drugs, I have never smoked weed and I avoid at all costs to frequent places where the crowd is composed of any kind of drug addicts who can be unpredictable and who always look for trouble.

Tell us who the "average joe who smokes weed" is. And since you ask for clinical proof out of one side of your mouth, while making assertions about people you freely admit you know nothing of out of the other, I'd like an answer and your sources to back it up. Who exactly is "the average joe who smokes weed"?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

hmmm let's see.. Richard Branson smokes weed all the time. as did Steve Jobs. they seem dumb or forgetful to you?

weed has a ton of propaganda because it has been demonized. do YOu think it should be a class a felony equal to heroine and cocaine? it is VERY clear you have never smoked weed.

Actually, in many states it has been decriminalized....not legal, but not on the level of pills, or powder. In Ohio, it's a minor misdemeanor to possess up to 100 grams (a little over 3 ounces), in one single package, and can be considered as "personal use". If it's broken up into smaller bags, it could be considered a felony, for distribution. However, possession of smoking apparatus, is a felony, and punishable by imprisonment, for up to 6 months, and or a $1000 fine.

To put that in perspective georges...a speeding ticket, for doing 35 in a 25 is a misdemeanor. A MORE SERIOUS CRIME! If they catch you driving 15 mph over the speed limit, they can arrest you. For the 100 grams, they will give you a ticket.

Oh, and they have to clean out the weed....no stems, no seeds, before they weigh it, if you're looking close to the limit.

 

[georges]

Tell us who the "average joe who smokes weed" is. And since you ask for clinical proof out of one side of your mouth, while making assertions about people you freely admit you know nothing of out of the other, I'd like an answer and your sources to back it up. Who exactly is "the average joe who smokes weed"?

You have made a lot of assumptions because you haven't proven me with clinical facts that weed isn't harmless, so cut off the You think that always being high and in a stressful or alert mode is the way to go, that is up to you.
Here is the pyschological of the average joe who smokes weed
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/8/22, I quote to be more accurate
"Compared to never users, current marijuana users scored higher on Openness and lower on Agreeableness and Conscientiousness (see Table 3). Former users scored intermediate on these three factors. On the facet level, current marijuana users scored higher on four facets of Openness, particularly Openness to Values and Ideas, and lower on five facets of Conscientiousness, particularly : Dutifulness and : Deliberation. Other interesting effects for current marijuana users were the high scores on Angry Hostility, Vulnerability, Activity, and Excitement Seeking, and the low scores on A4:Compliance, as compared to never users. As depicted in Figure 1, the profile of current marijuana users is similar to the pattern found among current smokers, especially for the facets of Conscientiousness. "

http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=10359, I quote:
"From my readings so far, there has been a continuing trend that marijuana users first turn on to the drug by tremendous pressure from their friends or peers. The peer group has a powerful influence on the nonuser because of the nonuser wanting to feel accepted by the "in" crowd. The trend of wanting to be "accepted" by a group of marijuana users is the major reason why marijuana use begins. Individuals usually find themselves in situations that promote marijuana use, such as parties, or within a group of acquaintances. The biggest age group that falls within these "acquaintances" seems to be from 18- 20 years old, but marijuana use falls sharply after the age of 22. Young people within the 18- 20 year old range seem to be looking for new and different experiences. The idea of being high also appeals to many young marijuana users- a temporary way to forget about the problems associated with youth.

Marijuana users tend to constitute a majority of the white, middle class community, which may be a shock to some Americans. My reading found in most cases that being black or oriental decreased the likelihood that a student would use marijuana. It seems that the sociocultural circumstances of the individual has a lot to do with marijuana use, not the race of the individual.

There were no differences from what I read, between marijuana users and nonusers, in the number of probations, suspensions, disciplinary actions, or expulsions from school. Despite the perception of a marijuana user being a psychological profile of rebelliousness, risk taker, or stimulus seeking, the evidence revealed that disciplinary difficulty did not occur with greater frequency than that of the nonuser.

Marijuana use did not appear to effect any marital conflicts or problems. Ninety percent of all married, chronic users and 96% of all nonusers and occasional users had no history of extramarital sexual affairs. Marijuana use does, however, contribute to whether an individual chooses to get married or not. Both male and female users stated that they were very suspicious of marriage as if it seemed " unnatural or unnecessary."

The effect of marijuana on the particular individual using it brings euphoria, mellowness, decreased tension, and a sense of time passing slowly. Tastes and smells are intensified only somewhat less frequently. Users also experience noted increased sexual pleasure, increased appetite, sleepiness, thirst and a sense of increased creativity, awareness, and communications with others.

The effect of marijuana on the brain I found was pretty interesting. The effects can include profoundly pleasurable feelings when deep brain sites are electrically stimulated by the drug, whereas stimulation of certain other well- demarcated sites induces profoundly negative feelings, including anxiety and anger. Symptoms of marijuana use in the psychological mind include the " dropout" syndrome, abnormal irritability and hostility, abrupt mood swings, and impaired short term memory. Some patients studied had experienced panic reactions and paranoia. Clearly, marijuana use does have a negative effect on some people who use it. "

http://www.druglibrary.org/special/goode/mjsmokers2.htm
http://www.doitnow.org/pages/125.html
http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp

You say that there is no damage by smoking pot but till I haven't seen a written article by a well known researcher that marijuana is absolutely harmless and not a damn documentary, I will call you a liar.

 

[Mayhem]

And what have I lied about? Again, I want an answer. I never used the term "absolutely harmless" and made the point that nothing is absolutely harmless. So what have I lied about?

 

[Rey C.]

Let's say that there actually are harmful long term effects from smoking pot. OK... so what? There are (proven) harmful long term effects from drinking alcohol and from smoking cigarettes. And the last time I checked, both alcohol and tobacco were legal.

What I find most interesting about the marijuana debate is that the ones who tend to come out against marijuana legalization or decriminalization are the same people who decry "the nanny state"... yet, they come up with various nanny state reasons for having the government prevent people from putting what they choose into their own bodies. Smoking pot might kill every brain cell that you have and burn your lungs up. I don't know. And to be frank, I don't care. I don't smoke it. But those who choose to smoke it, I'm OK with allowing them to do so at their own risk.

But forgetting about pot smoking for a second, can anyone here, who is against marijuana usage, give me even one good reason why the growing and processing of hemp should continue to be illegal??? Just one good reason.

 

[Philbert]

If one was to take a pound of potent reefer, process it into "oil", and ingest a few grams in a small batch of brownies ( I can eat 8 brownies if I'm hungry), the resultant coma or even death that resulted would prove that Cannabis can be harmful...
I just don't want pilots, bus drivers, and many of the idiots out there driving (or flying) high on some White Widow primo...and many feel "legal" means ok to do everywhere all the time.

 

[Mariahxxx]

My point is that both men smoke or smoked in Steve Jobs case weed all of their lives. didn't seem to harm their ambition at all did it?

 

[Mariahxxx]

well there is actually no known lethal dose of marijuana. None. if you ate a pound of it you'd be fucked up and sleep like a rock but you would wake up and be physically fine. try drinking a gallon of vodka. or take a handful of aspirin.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Let's get something very straight. The lethality of a drug is measured by it's median lethal dose or LD50 (lethal dose 50%... the point at which 50% of subjects will die). Marijuana has none when it comes to human beings. There are precisely zero human fatalities on record due to the consumption of THC through smoking or ingesting marijuana, and there is evidence to suggest that humankind has been smoking pot for at least 5,000 years. We haven't even been able to kill monkeys with the shit. You know what we've managed? A handful of lab mice... and that wasn't easy, and that was with pure THC.

The estimated overdose point for the active ingredient, based on the mice, is pretty much 1/3rd of your body weight. Basically you could get a transfusion of this shit and it wouldn't be the drug that would kill you, it would be the blood loss. It's currently estimated that in one sitting you'd have to smoke about 1,500lbs of pot to kill you, and that's physically impossible. You would pass out or die from lack of oxygen first (since you'd have to be constantly toking instead of breathing actual oxygen to try and get that much into your system in one sitting).

Now, with that established long term effects of marijuana are basically guessed at due to it's criminal status and the morality issues involved with trying to organize control groups for human testing. There just isn't enough data and never will be so long as it's criminalized, so anyone who says to you, "Long term smoking of pot has been proven to cause..." that person is about to lie to you.

Regarding folks getting drugged up and driving... still illegal. Always illegal. Impaired driving is a criminal offense. If you're drunk or wacked out on pills your doctor gave you or messed up on sleep aids you picked up off the pharmacy counter, if you're fucked up you're not allowed to drive. People have gotten DUIs for being on Ambian. So it's a non-issue.

The "War of Drugs" has been an epic, costly failure that has clogged the prison system to the point where it's overflowing and the main offender there is weed, a drug that all reliable evidence shows is demonstrably safer than alcohol, tobacco, or any other number of common drugs (and even non-drugs). If marijuana was legalized, taxed and controlled it could actually be an economic boon instead of the complete and total albatross it's become.

But hey, all the people who hate weed want to live in an economically irresponsible Nanny State that blows money on ineffective agendas, right?

 

[Rey C.]

I just don't want pilots, bus drivers, and many of the idiots out there driving (or flying) high on some White Widow primo...and many feel "legal" means ok to do everywhere all the time.

Neither do I. But just because alcohol or prescription drugs are legal, are pilots, bus drivers and the other operators of motor vehicles allowed by law to be drunk or impaired? No. So, what's the diff? :dunno:

The exact same laws that apply to various jobs and functions now would continue to exist if pot was legalized or decriminalized.

 

[Elwood70]

The exact same laws that apply to various jobs and functions now would continue to exist if pot was legalized or decriminalized.

And, as soon as it is, I can start complaining about second-hand marijuana smoke.