Dept of Justice Says States Can Legalize Pot! Police Groups are PISSED!

[Philbert]

Another myth...Mariah actually has a clue about what she says.
The actual dose estimated for a fatal reaction to cannabis is the amount of Delta 9 THC in a lb of approximately 15% THC. Normally potent reefer is 3-5%.
Oil made from hash or serious hybrid super weed isomerizes the THC, bumping up the non psychoactive canibidol (thanks for the muchies!) into active low rotating isomer THC, bumping existing THC into higher rotating isomers, and breaking down higher end THC into canibinal . (I confess I can confuse the two..."Cannabinol and cannabidiol".)
The result is to increase the % of psychoactive THC by 2-5 times...depending on the maturity of the plant at the beginning.
Oil will kick your ass...
Ingesting a 20-30 gram dose of isomerized oil (isomerization occurs when the oil is made) could indeed make it to the level of overdosewhich can indeed fuck you up to the point of organ shut down or respiratory failure...comatose and vomiting can leave you just as dead as a bullet to the brain..
I have seen people unresponsive and unconscious for hours after eating a 10 or so gram chunk of potent hash.
I am sure someone will ingest $3-$5000 worth of killer oil and be dead someday...so far no one has gone there.

I am sure oil is available out there as nonsmokers can put a small drop under their tongue and be high for hours.
Like all subjects, a study is usually skewed to the side the author wants results for.
If one smoked a joint of Thai Stick (hard to do) they would notice a big difference from a joint of California hybrid.
However...normal potency weed is much heavier and way less potent than the not encountered as often high potency reefer.
In the olden times when regular smokers were stoned unconscious by Thai Stick (or Cambodian Stick, or whatever) the average weight (stick, string, and all) was less than a gram ! And 40-50 bong hits were the norm, one toke and orbit achieved.
There are some strains today which have the same potency...and a lb rendered into oil would be seriously potent.
30 grams is the usual gain from a lb, depending on resin content.
Columbian from the old times had a 3x ratio to sativas per square inch...more resin and Asian (ruderalius) potency.
20-30 grams of that would hurt after a while.

HappyHapydumdum just quoted some article right off the net from some DEA brainiacs who estimated the dose to be smoked...like a lb of ordinary Mex reefer is worth $10,000 on the street kinda math.

I would accept the findings if either would care to ingest a 30 grams of oil batch of tasty Brownies and have someone report back.

 

[Rey C.]

When I was in college, we had this saying on Friday and Saturday nights before we went out partying: drink til somebody dies! And while I'm glad that none of us ever took it that far, it is fairly common for people to die from alcohol poisoning - especially young people who binge drink. Is it possible for someone to die from ingesting too much pot? Maybe it is - I don't know. But I'd say that it's a pretty rare occurrence, if it is possible. Alcohol, coke, heroin, pills (prescription or otherwise) likely kill many more people in a year than pot overdoses. But like I said, if smoking too much pot can kill you, then just don't smoke too much pot. Why do we need a nanny state to oversee us, whether it be pot, alcohol, cigarettes or sugary drinks???

Oh yeah, a word of warning: never eat the fruit from the bottom of a jar of (even the most pure) moonshine. Have any of you ever seen snow in the middle of summer? I have.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

The estimated overdose point for the active ingredient, based on the mice, is pretty much 1/3rd of your body weight. Basically you could get a transfusion of this shit and it wouldn't be the drug that would kill you, it would be the blood loss.

I feel I should point out, that's technically inaccurate. That was me using hyperbole and being "cute" and realistically I should have been more careful there. The 1/3rd body weight estimate based on rats refers to oral consumption of pure THC, not injection where things would be different. If you actually got a transfusion, yeah that would kill you. The study which produced those results (Thompson et al.,1971) actually did produce lethal results through injection of high doses of pure THC in a number of animals. Though they've still only managed to kill rats through oral consumption, and nothing through smoking.

In dogs, injection produced an LD50 at 100mg/1kg. So 1/10,000 by body weight.

Not really relevant in a discussion about weed (good luck injecting those leaves), but still... :dunno:

 

[Mariahxxx]

thank you Philbert for actually typing those words that made my day

 

[Philbert]

Actually, in many states it has been decriminalized....not legal, but not on the level of pills, or powder. In Ohio, it's a minor misdemeanor to possess up to 100 grams (a little over 3 ounces), in one single package, and can be considered as "personal use". If it's broken up into smaller bags, it could be considered a felony, for distribution. However, possession of smoking apparatus, is a felony, and punishable by imprisonment, for up to 6 months, and or a $1000 fine.

To put that in perspective georges...a speeding ticket, for doing 35 in a 25 is a misdemeanor. A MORE SERIOUS CRIME! If they catch you driving 15 mph over the speed limit, they can arrest you. For the 100 grams, they will give you a ticket.

Oh, and they have to clean out the weed....no stems, no seeds, before they weigh it, if you're looking close to the limit.

Once, when I was a bit younger, I was moving with some stuff in my car going to my new address...I was giving a ride to 2 young ladies to their dancing gig, and got pulled over right outside the club.
The officers let the ladies go on to their job, and searched my car.
Ooops...the honeys had stuffed a ton of Black Mollies, some Quaaludes, and other no-nos under the seat and left me to explain.
No biggie there 'cause the cops let them leave and couldn't prove it was mine. Whew.
Not so the container of fine sinsemilla in my personal stuff inna backseat.
I got a misdemeanor, though, 'cause I'm sure the Popo took a good sample of it home...it was really fine.
I don't remember the cutoff in Texas then, but I do remember it was a gram more than what I was charged with possessing (not in baggies, fortunately).
But they coulda spit in it and gotten a felony drug bust from it...thanks officers! I hope you enjoyed that fine smoke.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

well there is actually no known lethal dose of marijuana. None. if you ate a pound of it you'd be fucked up and sleep like a rock but you would wake up and be physically fine. try drinking a gallon of vodka. or take a handful of aspirin.

Actually you wouldn't. You won't get stoned off of eating it, just by eating it. It has to reach a certain temperature, to release the thc. That's why when you make brownies, you have to simmer the weed in a cheese cloth, soaking in butter, to get the thc out, and into the butter, then you make the brownies with the butter. That's how a vaporizer works. Perfect temp, takes out the thc, leaves the bud intact, and you don't burn it, and get the harmful carcinogens. You will not get high, under any circumstance, unless the thc reaches a specific temp., or higher.

 

[Mariahxxx]

i have eaten straight weed and was fucked up for 12 hours. we were pulled over by a cop and I swallowed a bud that was about 1 gram.

 

[Mariahxxx]

spent the day out on the water with some friends skiing and tubing one of the best summer days I can ever remember. 90 degrees, slight breeze, flat water that was so clear. Had a blast! We headed back to my house where I had some special burgers I made last night 50% ground prime ribeye, 30% pork sausage and 20% ground chuck homemade mayo that had apple cider vinegar and cayenne pepper, grilled vidalia onion, kosher dill slice, beefsteak tomato and melted Gouda cheese all sitting pretty on top of a french kaiser roll.

I have to say these photos of the meat as I was making the patties is awesome! the sun was setting and the light was perfect so I grabbed the camera because I knew it would be a great photo! They turned out to be incredible. I grilled them on a cedar plank so no direct flame hit them.

 

[Mariahxxx]

sorry that was meant for my foodie thread

 

[wdoall]

Nice looking burgers

 

[Mariahxxx]

thanks...I am very proud of them they were so good. had them with a Stella and Lays original chips (crisps)

 

[assari]

thanks...I am very proud of them they were so good.

Yes, they are good looking.

Have you participated in cooking competitions?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I guess it does answer the whole "munchies" part of the problem...but still, back to why doobage is good....

 

[Mariahxxx]

no I dont cook in competitions. I don't get competitive with cooking. everyone has their own thing and judging one person's potato salad vs another person's is simply opinion and to me a pointless thing to do. I'd rather get everyone together and have each person make something different and just enjoy it all much better that way!

 

[Jack Davenport]

i used to have the type of munchies after doing bong hits with my buddies that those burgers wouldn't put a dent in.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

i used to have the type of munchies after doing bong hits with my buddies that those burgers wouldn't put a dent in.

I always craved grapes and or watermelon. It was sweet, and cured the cotton mouth.


Of course Burger King was always a great late night scarf out...that I had to drive to, when I shouldn't have been walking, let alone behind the wheel, or bars.

I pulled up to a drive through order thingy once, on my old shovel head...obnoxiously load old shovel head. I couldn't hear, neither could they, so I shut it off, and then couldn't get it started again. Way to fucked up to be on it, in the parking lot, food ice cold. trying to sand off the black soot on the plugs. Finally got the fucking thing kicked over. Another example of unexplainable dumb luck, from my youthful days of utter stupidity.

 

[Mayhem]

Here Are All The People Who Have Died From A Marijuana Overdose

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/marijuana-deaths_n_3860418.html?ref=topbar

Just how deadly a killer is marijuana? Here's a GIF showing all of the people who have died after overdosing on pot:

Yeah, not a single person has ever died from a weed overdose. We don't have numbers on pandas, but we're guessing it's about the same. According to one frequently cited study, a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times the amount of THC in a joint in order to be at risk of dying.

Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the federal government wouldn't intervene as Colorado and Washington state implement plans for a system of legalized marijuana for adults. The decision opened the floodgates for other states to pursue similar legalization efforts and outraged police groups apparently not excited to see a shift away from the failed war on drugs.

In a joint letter written to Holder on Friday, law enforcement organizations warned that his move would lead to more crime, violence and even death.

While high driving may be a concern, Colorado, Washington and federal authorities have all taken steps to keep people off the road after using marijuana. The two states both have their own restrictions, and Holder said in his statement that the DOJ would still prosecute individuals or entities to prevent "drugged driving."

The police groups also make a number of additional controversial claims that marijuana use itself leads to violent behavior, suicidal thoughts and interest in harder drugs. Scientific studies have not been able to prove this causation conclusively, however, and research has also suggested that THC has significant therapeutic value to patients suffering from cancer, AIDS or glaucoma.

None of this is to say that the nation doesn't struggle with broader issues of drug and alcohol abuse and overdose. Drug policy reformers and activists gathered around the world over the weekend to discuss the overdose epidemic. In 2010, overdoses were responsible for 38,329 deaths. Sixty percent of those were related to prescription drugs. In the same year, a total of 25,692 persons died of alcohol-induced causes, including accidental poisoning and disease from dependent use.

 

[Mariahxxx]

one time I was high and we hit a taco bell drive thru at 3am. I ordered and pulled up to the first window and paid and drove away, driving right by the window where you pick up your food! we got all the way home before we realized we had no food lol and had to go back.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I got you beat. When I was about 17 I pulled in to a station and pumped gas. Left the nozzle in the tank went in and paid, came back and drove off and yanked the whole pump down.

Switched drivers before the cops came. The attendant wasn't sure who was driving.

 

[Mariahxxx]

done that twice lol just never pulled the pump down the newer ones have a breakaway hose. i literally was stopped with the gas hose hanging from my car and worst part, totally sober!