Despicable and Repugnant Fascism by guess who

[Facetious]

The new legislation, the "Pay for Performance Act of 2009," would impose government controls on the pay of all employees -- not just top executives -- of companies that have received a capital investment from the U.S. government. It would, like the tax measure, be retroactive, changing the terms of compensation agreements already in place. And it would give Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner extraordinary power to determine the pay of thousands of employees of American companies.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-Big-Government-Set-Your-Salary-42158597.html

The Camels Jackass / Donkey / Burro's nose is in the tent and no, I don't forsee myself being among the regulated . . until the fascists propose a bill to regulate us all . . . in about a month.

Fascist = Private Ownership w/ Government Control

 

[Dean Wormer]

Don't take government bailout money if you don't want the government telling you what to do. It's not hard to figure out.

 

[Philbert]

Obama, Geithner, most of the Dem congress...politicians and lawyers.
For guys who never ran any kind of business, and have spent most of their entire adult life working in government, they sure have no problem deciding how business needs to be conducted.
Mussolini made the trains run on time, though...:thumbsup:
We are royally fucked.

 

[Philbert]

Don't take government bailout money if you don't want the government telling you what to do. It's not hard to figure out.

C'mon...once this system is locked in place, you don't think the next step will be some form of legislation that eventually will control all business structure in the US...the business that's still here, anyway.

 

[Facial_King]

It's funny that people cheer on monitoring of people who get social welfare (unemployment) - to make sure they don't buy bad things - are trotting out the "fascism!" cries when the government says that it will impose regulations on businesses that have received huge chunks of taxpayer dollars - usually because said businesses BEGGED for the $$$.

Strange.

 

[Maev]

It's funny that people cheer on monitoring of people who get social welfare (unemployment) - to make sure they don't buy bad things - are trotting out the "fascism!" cries when the government says that it will impose regulations on businesses that have received huge chunks of taxpayer dollars - usually because said businesses BEGGED for the $$$.

Strange.

That is right.

Mostly where i come from people give out that there is not more government control. If the various bits of government we have had been controlling the economy more and the pay of bankers and others then we would not be in the mess we are.

 

[stampede2873]

Rep. Alan Grayson, the Florida Democrat who wrote the bill, told me its basic message is "you should not get rich off public money, and you should not get rich off of abject failure." Grayson expects the bill to pass the House, and as we talked, he framed the issue in a way to suggest that virtuous lawmakers will vote for it, while corrupt lawmakers will vote against it.
"This bill will show which Republicans are so much on the take from the financial services industry that they're willing to actually bless compensation that has no bearing on performance and is excessive and unreasonable," Grayson said. "We'll find out who are the people who understand that the public's money needs to be protected, and who are the people who simply want to suck up to their patrons on Wall Street."

Oh that's right, frame it so that it's not socialism. But heroism. That Republicans are evil and the "fuzzy bunny-treehuggers" are the heroes.

Anyone has the right to denounce legislation that alienates what the US what built upon. Frankly from the moment this crap started, I smelled something fishy, and it wasn't Obamas ass. It was his sweeping revolutionary need to fasttrack one world agenda.

Yeah I said it, you can't see it?

The Obama Administration:

Celebrating the demise of Freedom and democracy to the tune of "We are the Champions... of the World".

 

[Shindekudasai]

Why is it ok for private banks to stick their nose into the businesses and companies they lend money to, but not for national banks? Where is the difference?
In fact, I for my part am glad, that the German government installed certain regulations for most of the companies we lend money to. Because it is my dime, that is used to feed and coddle up companies and banks that have been gravely mismanaged.
Why shouldn't I, through the people I voted for, have at least an minimum control over how that money is spend and how and when it will be paid back?
We are not talking about welfare money here, we're talking about billions of dollars/euros loaned to big private companies and banks. There is a difference.

By the way, that has not much to do with fascism. In a fascist state, the companies would be (partly) nationalized or re-organised to produce according to the state's needs (command/controlled economy). And it is no socialism either, because in a socialist state the companies would be socialized/collectivized or integrated into planed economy.

Celebrating the demise of Freedom and democracy to the tune of "We are the Champions... of the World".

Strangely, most of the world felt, that Bush had already done that.

 

[stampede2873]

Strangely, most of the world felt, that Bush had already done that.

Unfortunately... when it comes to the citizenry of the United States and how the government affects that citizenry, I don't really care what the rest of the worlds opinions are, they don't have a say in how the US is run.

 

[Shindekudasai]

Unfortunately... when it comes to the citizenry of the United States and how the government affects that citizenry, I don't really care what the rest of the worlds opinions are, they don't have a say in how the US is run.

Did I say otherwise?
But it's interesting to see, that the US under Bush stuck its nose into everyones business in the name of freedom and democracy and seemed to think, that it could dictate everyones opinion and policy, but when someone else just drops a word (without even asking, telling, demanding or dictating anything yet) you automatically feel offended and react in a (verbally) aggressive and almost hate-ridden way. You probably shouldn't be that sensitive about this.
And it's also interesting to see, that the only sentence in my posting, that provoked a reaction, was a satirical - yet not far from the truth - one sentence commentary about the Bush legislation.

 

[stampede2873]

My post wasn't meant to be taken as aggressive and hate ridden. But a matter of fact commentary of the truth.

... and I commented on your post because you quoted me.

 

[Shindekudasai]

My post wasn't meant to be taken as aggressive and hate ridden. But a matter of fact commentary of the truth.

... and I commented on your post because you quoted me.

I know, I know. And I didn't mean to offend. It just seems to be a very sensitive topic with most Americans.
I always get the impression, that one has to be very careful what to say, even to Americans who are good friends (for example some friends of my soon to be father-in-law).

 

[bodie54]

I know, I know. And I didn't mean to offend. It just seems to be a very sensitive topic with most Americans.

Most americans actually aren't that way. The ones who get hostile are generally the ones who can't stand to look in the proverbial mirror.

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-Big-Government-Set-Your-Salary-42158597.html

The Camels Jackass / Donkey / Burro's nose is in the tent and no, I don't forsee myself being among the regulated . . until the fascists propose a bill to regulate us all . . . in about a month.

Fascist = Private Ownership w/ Government Control

is talk radio playing 24/7 at your house? do you believe everything rush/hannity/savage tell you?

 

[D-rock]

Oh that's right, frame it so that it's not socialism. But heroism. That Republicans are evil and the "fuzzy bunny-treehuggers" are the heroes.

Anyone has the right to denounce legislation that alienates what the US what built upon. Frankly from the moment this crap started, I smelled something fishy, and it wasn't Obamas ass. It was his sweeping revolutionary need to fasttrack one world agenda.

Yeah I said it, you can't see it?

The Obama Administration:

Celebrating the demise of Freedom and democracy to the tune of "We are the Champions... of the World".

Your right, people should be able to run their business any way they like, it's not like the Constitution gives the legislator the power to regulate commerce or the economy or anything like tha.....or wait.

Do you oppose that stuff because you genuinely think it's a bad idea or because some ideology tells you to? We don't exactly live in a agrarian society with nearly all the business in it mom and pop shops anymore.

 

[stampede2873]

Most americans actually aren't that way. The ones who get hostile are generally the ones who can't stand to look in the proverbial mirror.

I look in the mirror all the time... and I found out that I am a BEAUTIFUL man!

Your right, people should be able to run their business any way they like, it's not like the Constitution gives the legislator the power to regulate commerce or the economy or anything like tha.....or wait.

Do you oppose that stuff because you genuinely think it's a bad idea or because some ideology tells you to? We don't exactly live in a agrarian society with nearly all the business in it mom and pop shops anymore.

In less than two months the government has gained control of how many industries? Wined and dined China for more monetary infusion, and the treasury has taken control entirely of one companys payroll from the lowest to the most top exec.

Government that takes power is government that needs to be taken back. I didn't vote to allow my money, or your money to be used for bailouts. I'm sure you didn't cast a vote to grab money from China, and how would you feel if the same government that takes money from you in taxes, is in charge of how much you get paid every two weeks?

This is not the kind of government that represents me, or you, or anyone else.

 

[gunslingingbird]

Most americans actually aren't that way. The ones who get hostile are generally the ones who can't stand to look in the proverbial mirror.

I looked in the mirror this morning. I found that my gut sags 2" below my waistline. :tongue:

 

[titsrock]

Considering that it was business people with a Republican president and Congress who were "drunk at the switch" that caused the Economic catastrophe, and it's some big businesses who have taken tax money to hand over as "retention bonuses" or "performance bonuses"..I think it's a wise thing for the Gov't to start putting big business "in its place."

It's place is BELOW the citizenry. If we let every one of these companies fail--we endure 30% unemployment and the complete destruction of workers' retirement IRA accounts, etc. And, we let China and Dubai basically takeoever America through the greed and incompetence of the wealthy corporate class.

We also have no way to MASS RETRAIN 30% of our work force. Or, can we, as a nation do that?

Like it or not, everyone's taxes are going to go up because of American Global Corporate Incompetence from 2001 - 2008.

Instead of bitching and moaning--maybe plan for tax increases? Maybe put off that big Kitchen remodel for a couple of years, or that 2nd SUV purchase?

Are my fellow Americans really this immature and "ugly" and petty?

 

[Facetious]

^ Is there ANYTHING that this administration can do wrong ?
What is it, do you feel that you would be giving the republikans an edge if you were to dare disagree with Obamunist policy ? Can't there be two wrongs don't make a right ?

Don't take government bailout money if you don't want the government telling you what to do. It's not hard to figure out.

Exactly, but it's the corporate CEOs that decide their employees pay scale via the strong arm of government ?

That's wrong !

 

[Jagger69]

Obama, Geithner, most of the Dem congress...politicians and lawyers.
For guys who never ran any kind of business, and have spent most of their entire adult life working in government, they sure have no problem deciding how business needs to be conducted.
Mussolini made the trains run on time, though...:thumbsup:
We are royally fucked.

Oh yeah none of this shit went on until Obama and his minions got control, did it? It's all the democrats' fault....ALL of it. If only Bush could have run for a third term I'm sure everything would be different and everything would be just fine by now.

I am so sick of this partisan blame game....this plays right into the hands of the crooks who run things.....divide and conquer. Go ahead and swallow it all....that's what they want.