Do women get lighter sentences for burglary?

[Ulysses31]

I've literally just started this thread on a spur of the moment thing after reading the below story in my local paper. Anyone here who has been burgled will know what a distressing impact it can have on the victim, the loss of money and sentimental items, damage to your home, invasion of your personal space and the fear of knowing that someone may well have been watching/following you. The total indifference shown by the police to this sort of crime (especially here in the UK) is also upsetting. Anyway in the case why the hell do the two guys get locked up (not for long enough IMO) and the girl just gets a suspended sentence and has to wear an electronic tag? Admittedly I don't know the specifics of the case but from what I can tell they were all part of this gang together and they should all receive similar punishments, it shouldn't matter if maybe one was just a lookout whilst the others went into the property they are all part of a unit that could not function without all of them. I'm not trying to have a go at women but all I see here are 3 burglars all of whom should be locked up like anyone who has anything to do with burglary and I can only assume she got off because she was a woman from what I can tell in the article as she was convicted of burglary and was in the same car the other offenders were in when arrested.

WOODFORD BRIDGE: Burglar guilty of mini crime wave


A BURGLAR has been convicted following a spate of break-ins on a single night.

Hannah Williams, 19, of Crownhill Road in Woodford Bridge, was found guilty of burglary following four thefts in the Ilford area.

Police received reports of burglaries in Laing Close, Trehearn Road, and two in Dryden Close.

Some reports mentioned a Peugeot and officers stopped a vehicle matching the description given in Horns Road later the same evening, which was occupied by Williams and her two accomplices.

Officers searched the car and found stolen property from one of the raids in Dryden Close.

Williams was arrested along with Billy Sewell, 22, of New North Road in Ilford, and 19-year-old Johnny Hackett, of Lawrence Street in Canning Town.

Police searched Sewell and found keys for a stolen car and police later discovered the burglars had used another stolen car the same evening.

Williams was sentenced to 12 months in prison – suspended for 18 months – as well as 125 hours of unpaid work. She will also wear an electronic monitoring tag for four months.

Sewell was found guilty of burglary and jailed for 33 months, while Hackett was found guilty of the same charge and sentenced to 30 months in prison.

The raids all took place on July 16 last year.


http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/ne...D_BRIDGE__Burglar_guilty_of__mini_crime_wave/

 

[mrtrebus]

Not really sure how you can make an argument about women getting lighter sentences for burglary based on this one example? & as you say, you do not know the specifics of the case so its a big leap to assume she got off because she was a woman. & saying that anyone who has anything to do with burglary should be locked up is a huge sweeping statement. :dunno:

 

[Facetious]

saying that anyone who has anything to do with burglary should be locked up is a huge sweeping statement. :dunno:

How can you be a functional human component in a burglary and not expect to receive the same punishment as your co conspirators?

Admittedly I don't know the specifics of the case but from what I can tell they were all part of this gang together and they should all receive similar punishments, it shouldn't matter if maybe one was just a lookout whilst the others went into the property they are all part of a unit that could not function without all of them.

hear here! :yesyes:

 

[mrtrebus]

How can you be a functional human component in a burglary and not expect to receive the same punishment as your co conspirators?

Because there are different sentences for different crimes, as there should be. Someone who drives the vehicle for example would not receive the same punishment as the person who breaks into the property & commits the act. There are also many factors which must be taken into account when adequately punishing those that break the law via the judicial system. To have a blanket punishment is nonsense & inadequate.

 

[Ulysses31]

Because there are different sentences for different crimes, as there should be. Someone who drives the vehicle for example would not receive the same punishment as the person who breaks into the property & commits the act. There are also many factors which must be taken into account when adequately punishing those that break the law via the judicial system. To have a blanket punishment is nonsense & inadequate.

Even if she shouldn't have received the same sentence (I think she should as they all played their part in this rampage) she should still have received some jail time if only as a token gesture, she wasn't forced into it as she was found guilty but lightly punished. I know I made a sweeping sentence about burglary but unless you're stealing food to feed your kids or are mentally unbalanced (then you should get help) at the time excluding drink and drugs which are personal choices then you deserve to have your freedom taken away for x amount of time for committing what I regard as a disgusting crime, some of the prisons are like ridiculous open detention centres anyway. And the borough (Redbridge) this burglary was committed is the worse for burglary in the whole of London yet the courts still hand out these light punishments, this is hardly gonna deter potential burglars IMO

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/rbnews/8885245.REDBRIDGE__Burglary_rates_worst_in_London/

 

[Facetious]

Because there are different sentences for different crimes, as there should be. Someone who drives the vehicle for example would not receive the same punishment as the person who breaks into the property & commits the act. There are also many factors which must be taken into account when adequately punishing those that break the law via the judicial system. To have a blanket punishment is nonsense & inadequate.

An accessory to burglary is still burglary IMO, OTOH should the physical intruders become involved in some type of physical confrontation during the commission of their crime i.e. perhaps a homeowner gets stabbed etc., I can't see how a driver could be charged as being an accessory to such a stabbing . . . . Kapeesh? Do we agree?

 

[Ulysses31]

An accessory to burglary is still burglary IMO, OTOH should the physical intruders become involved in some type of physical confrontation during the commission of their crime i.e. perhaps a homeowner gets stabbed etc., I can't see how a driver could be charged as being an accessory to such a stabbing . . . . Kapeesh? Do we agree?

True the burglar wouldn't have broken into the property if the lookout hadn't given them the all clear and he/she may not have committed the burglary if there wasn't someone else waiting to handle the stolen goods and buy them/sell them on. It's no good the driver saying I was just driving the burglar to and from the home, there would have been no burglary without a getaway driver. They were all charged with burglary so should receive similar sentences, if one of them had confronted and assulted the homeowner(s) then they should have got a much longer sentence than the others. In this country they don't even show the pictures of the burglars, have their mugshots like they do in the states and plaster them all over the newspapers. Maybe this humiliation/embarassment will stop them reoffending as I doubt 125 hours unpaid work will , that's ONE weeks work probably on top of their welfare money.

Face, check out this case of murder
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...amped-gay-man-death-serve-just-2-5-years.html

And for blinding someone
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265339/Teenager-blinded-man-stiletto-heel-jailed.html

 

[STDiva]

Sure there is different sentences for different crimes, but in this case there is different sentences for the same crime. There must be something we don't know about.

 

[Supafly]

My point of view:

Having done honorary work as a lay judge, I have witnessed a lot of very different crimes and persons that performed them.

And as jurisdiction is not mainly to punish but rather help these people correct their ways, some need prison time, some need a probation and some unpaid work hours to change. We had a few small crooks doing that kind of work at the day care facility I worked for, and they sure learned a lot about how good they have it, compared to the handicapped guys, some of those are barely able to breath on their own and can not beat up even a mouse, if they wanted.

So, in this case of a 19-year old young lady, she might slearn a bit from the 125 unpaid work hours she must do, and she might reconsider hanging out with her peers who surely had some big part in her making the decicion to do crimes. That's where the electronic monitoring tag comes in handy.

 

[Facetious]

Face, check out this case of murder
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...2-5-years.html

And for blinding someone
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...el-jailed.html

Those are outrageously unbelievable stories!
Now I know what prompted you to post this thread. . . whew! I have to re read those two clips again, very shocking indeed. I've never seen such extreme performances of rage from such young ladies, maybe the authorities are scared of them!
Wow! . . just WOW! :surprise:

Thanks for digging up those columns, I really enjoyed reading them . . .
. . . I think.

Sure there is different sentences for different crimes, but in this case there is different sentences for the same crime. There must be something we don't know about.

A nice pair of boobs, a nice slim figure and long silky blonde hair probably helps.:drool2:
Also, there's always the possibility of the young lady having friends or relatives in high places(?)

 

[vodkazvictim]

Haven't got time to read the story - in Greece and I'm taking a break from lesson planning and wedding arrangements, but just gonna say:
I remember when I was burgled I said "at least they didn't break anything just for the sake of it".

 

[Rey C.]

It's been a good 10 years ago, but I once read a study that confirmed that women generally receive lighter sentences than men, for the same crime. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that a female burglar received a lighter sentence than her male accomplices.

This is another reason that I am in favor of the mandatory minimums and sentencing guidelines that have been put in place in the U.S. Over the years, U.S. judges and juries established a very poor reputation for handing out sentences that were overly influenced by the offender's gender, race or social status. Does the UK have sentencing guidelines or mandatory minimums?

 

[LukeEl]

Women should get more jail time for stealing my heart!

 

[Facetious]

. . [The total indifference shown by the police to this sort of crime (especially here in the UK) is also upsetting.] . .

That would be rather upsetting In my area, I have always known law enforcement rank and file to take burglary reports rather seriously, especially those burglaries that are reported to be in progress, those are code 3 emergencies, you could have 4 units surrounding your home in 5 - 6 minutes and another 3 units 2 minutes later if need be.

Is this lack of concern toward residential burglaries on the part of your local law enforcement somewhat of a recent development? Do you feel that this is a regional problem or is it a trend that has manifested throughout the UK?

 

[Ulysses31]

That would be rather upsetting In my area, I have always known law enforcement rank and file to take burglary reports rather seriously, especially those burglaries that are reported to be in progress, those are code 3 emergencies, you could have 4 units surrounding your home in 5 - 6 minutes and another 3 units 2 minutes later if need be.

Is this lack of concern toward residential burglaries on the part of your local law enforcement somewhat of a recent development? Do you feel that this is a regional problem or is it a trend that has manifested throughout the UK?

When we were burgled around 3 years ago when I got in the burglars had thrown some clothes in front of the front door (from the inside) so I suspect they were still in the house when we got home, I remember a kitchen drawer being open where the knives were kept so they may well have grabbed one as many burglars won't come armed as that signifies intent if they are caught. Anyway we phoned cops around 7pm - 8pm and they came about 11ish (1 car 2 cops), I was still in shock trying to talk to the guy and he was just this is our 5th burglary tonight, there was one fingerprint in a room and I forced them to take that as well as mine to exclude it being mine and the fingerprint guy came at 12 - 1. Our back door was smashed open so my uncle (a builder) came around straight away to secure it and because they took my brother's car keys but not the car the copper said 'they'll come back for the car tonight so get the lock changed' as he left, how fucking reassuring! We never heard from the police again although we got a LETTER from a victim support group asking us to donate money to them.

Two years before that my parents (mid 50s at the time ) were sitting in their van on our drive in the morning around 7am waiting for me to get in (I was still in the house so they left the van door open) when 2 hoodeds youths who had been walking around suspiciously reached into the van and grabbed a bag plus my old mans wallet which he always kept in his shirt pocket and ran off, if my parents weren't seltbelted in and had struggled with them (and they would have as they are old school) who knows what these thugs were carrying. Anyway when cops eventually show up they ask us if we have cctv (who the fuck does?) then walk off, a few weeks later they tell us a stolen card was used to buy petrol but don't follow it up. All cops here think you just want your crime reference number so you can claim on the insurance, they have no interest in treating burglary as serious as most burglaries thankfully are non violent but it is still a horribly distressing crime which they don't seem to understand, they don't mind standing on the road all day issuing speeding fines. I know now in this country you can't rely on anyone else to protect your home. Some more stories for you:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-illegal-kitchen-knife-intruders-garden.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-143147/Father-jailed-killing-burglar.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...acking-knife-wielding-burglar-overturned.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-children-Great-Ormond-Street-hospital.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-ins-admits-126-attempt-wipe-slate-clean.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411382/Mothers-fury-reports-burglar--police-busy.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Yet-burglar-walks-free--given-new-home.html

 

[D-rock]

At least it's better than cats. They don't get in any trouble for burglary. :1orglaugh

 

[Tittyman5000]

Women should get more jail time for stealing my heart!

One time a woman Burgled my heart or was it my Dick? :dunno:

 

[meesterperfect]

women get lighter sentences for just about everything.
thats just the way it is, some things will never change.
(I hate that song)

 

[maildude]

Women get lighter sentences for everything. The only reason Wournos got executed is because Sarah Palin gave Jeb Bush a blowjob.

 

[Ulysses31]

Not about burgulary but in this case a woman accused two Eastern European men of raping her and they were promptly arrested, understandably she received lots of sympathy and support from the local community and ethnic tensions in the area rose resulting in attacks on Eastern Europeans by scared and angry locals. She eventually admits to making it all up and here's the worst/best part, not only is she spared jail she receives a paltry £80 fine because the unemployed mother of 5 had what the police described as ‘previous good character’. I mean is it just me :surprise: :dunno:


Fury after woman who falsely cried rape is handed an £80 fixed penalty

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-handed-80-penalty-notice.html#ixzz1Hc4HBLC8