Drastic health care cuts coming in Vancouver

[Facetious]

Drastic health cuts coming in Vancouver: B.C.


Monday, August 10, 2009
CBC News


Hospitals and other health facilities across the Lower Mainalnd could be facing major cuts, according to the B.C. NDP. Hospitals and other health facilities across the Lower Mainalnd could be facing major cuts, according to the B.C. NDP. (CBC)

The B.C. New Democrats say a document leaked to them reveals the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority plans to cut more than 6,000 surgeries and close a number of emergency rooms to slash costs.

The authority plans to reduce neurosurgeries, vascular disease treatments, joint replacements and 11 other specialized areas, according to B.C. NDP health critic Adrian Dix.

"We're certainly not talking about nose jobs and tummy tucks; we're talking about medically necessary elective surgery," Dix told a Vancouver news conference Monday.

"No one is suggesting that if someone comes into emergency, they're going to allow them to die, because that would be absurd and illegal, but what we are saying is that the core services provided by the health authority are being cut," said Dix.

Under the proposal, Coastal Health would also close nearly a quarter of its operating rooms from September through March 2010 and eliminate 112 full-time jobs, according to Dix.

On July 27, Dix made similar claims, saying documents leaked to his party suggested the province was considering major reductions to the Fraser Health Authority, east of Vancouver, because of a $160-million budget shortfall.

Fraser Health CEO Dr. Nigel Murray later said the papers quoted by Dix were only planning documents, and no decisions had been made on any suggested cuts to services, hospital beds, operating rooms or programs.

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Take the "Pain Pill" and get the hell outta the way ! :tongue:

 

[Will E Worm]

I thought socialized health care was great and everyone loved it and.....:tongue:

"No one is suggesting that if someone comes into emergency, they're going to allow them to die, because that would be absurd and illegal, but what we are saying is that the core services provided by the health authority are being cut," said Dix.

That is an absurd and misleading statement.

Core services will be cut and no one will die?

 

[Friday on my mind]

I thought socialized health care was great and everyone loved it and.....:tongue:

"No one is suggesting that if someone comes into emergency, they're going to allow them to die, because that would be absurd and illegal, but what we are saying is that the core services provided by the health authority are being cut," said Dix.

That is an absurd and misleading statement.

Core services will be cut and no one will die?

Yeah as long as you have profit motive you have all the money in the world and everybody is happy and never dies!!!!

Just think they are struggling to afford health care and spend way less then we do.

 

[titsrock]

Well, I seem to think that that thing that I've heard so much about lately, GLOBAL ECONOMIC MELTDOWN, might have something to do with this?

When "the economy" turns around, and when things in Vancouver "look brighter" I'm guessing this won't be a problem anymore.

We've closed hospitals here too, ya know...

 

[mrtrebus]

Who cares? Bloody Vancouvians!

 

[Facetious]

^ :1orglaugh Good sense of humor.

^^
What's so wrong with retaining the right to opt out entirely to a health care plan whose quality will be dependent upon the status of the economy ?

I know, "The O" has stated that those who wish to keep their employer fringe benefit private physician(s) may do so if his plan passes, but what he fails to do is to clarify the terms & conditions within his plan. Seriously, what employer is going to remain profitable having to pay and extra 8% tax simply to retain the right to keep their employee private health care plan ? .......in addition to paying the already exorbitantly expensive employee health care costs ? Dirty pool I say.

I think that people in general would be more receptive to your ideas (TR & Fri) if only you didn't make out everybody who happens to be involved in a private sector business as evil & greedy. Reading your posts, it is very clear to me that you guys are opposed to ANY amount of private sector commerce, even those who are reliant on earning a modest private sector income. :dunno: I don't think that people in general are going to take to that very much minority opinion.

It just seems like your campaign is more about taking away the individual right for people to opt for a private health care plan more than it is about improving your own current health care quality or condition.

PEACE

 

[Friday on my mind]

^ :1orglaugh Good sense of humor.

^^
What's so wrong with retaining the right to opt out entirely to a health care plan whose quality will be dependent upon the status of the economy ?

I know, "The O" has stated that those who wish to keep their employer fringe benefit private physician(s) may do so if his plan passes, but what he fails to do is to clarify the terms & conditions within his plan. Seriously, what employer is going to remain profitable having to pay and extra 8% tax simply to retain the right to keep their employee private health care plan ? .......in addition to paying the already exorbitantly expensive employee health care costs ? Dirty pool I say.

I think that people in general would be more receptive to your ideas (TR & Fri) if only you didn't make out everybody who happens to be involved in a private sector business as evil & greedy. Reading your posts, it is very clear to me that you guys are opposed to ANY amount of private sector commerce, even those who are reliant on earning a modest private sector income. :dunno: I don't think that people in general are going to take to that very much minority opinion.

It just seems like your campaign is more about taking away the individual right for people to opt for a private health care plan more than it is about improving your own current health care quality or condition.

PEACE

Why do you always boil things down to something personal???:dunno:
But lets make it personal lol.I take personally a health care system that is sucking up so much of our countries resources and making a real hardship on not just individuals but our nations other private sector employers.The cost and what that is doing to us has always been my major concern.I can remember when you got health care free from work.Then it was start paying for some of it and later you heard well we can't give the kinds of wage increases we use to because of our rising costs in health care.Think thats pretty typical.So we have been paying for this debacle for a long time and its only gonna get tougher in the future with the growing numbers of seniors were gonna have.We ain't seen nothing yet,wait 10-15 years when the bulk of boomers hit retirement and their senior years.Even the most efficent system will struggle.

On this tax you speak of ,you talking this tax on so called 'Gold plated " plans some select (almost only executives get)? Thats the only tax I have heard of that employers who give health plans face.Yeah a tax on ones who don't offer health care is proposed ,but that sounds fair.


And if your gonna make silly statements like "I'm against all capitalism" I will respond with "why do you want to do nothing about a system that will bankrupt us".

All you younger people should be on notice,don't do anything about fixing health care and getting the costs under control it's YOU that are gonna pay big time later.When us boomers retire and are all on medicare YOU will be paying whatever the taxes are that are needed to fund that.Think AARP and all those old folks are a substantial powerfull lobby now ,wait till the woodstock generation is them.

 

[titsrock]

I think that people in general would be more receptive to your ideas (TR & Fri) if only you didn't make out everybody who happens to be involved in a private sector business as evil & greedy. Reading your posts, it is very clear to me that you guys are opposed to ANY amount of private sector commerce, even those who are reliant on earning a modest private sector income. :dunno: I don't think that people in general are going to take to that very much minority opinion.

It just seems like your campaign is more about taking away the individual right for people to opt for a private health care plan more than it is about improving your own current health care quality or condition.

PEACE

Everybody involved in the private sector is not evil and greedy. It's just that the private sector is basically a complete disappointment.

The problem with Big Business, today, is that a Big Company's goal is not to operate in a "Free Market" but to eliminate all competition and operate in a Monopoly environment....much like the grande ol days of the "Trusts" back in the late 19th Century Robber Baron days. That is not a "Free Market.":dunno:

When our other peer nations all have Univ Healthcare (most Single Payer) and we don't, we are harmed today because we end up subsidizing "the world" when we pay high prices for "new technology" and "new meds." We are the market that the Global Health Companies get their "fat profit margins" so that Cubans can afford cheap MRI machines.

Is that fair to America?

Obamacare is about bringing a "fair" health insurance product to the market--something that relies on generic medicines and eliminates "disqualifying" clauses. I'm sorry, F, but that sounds fair and reasonable to me. I worry that Obamacare will create more paperwork in addition to the other Gov't healthcare programs we have.

We need to get serious about funding Medicare, anyways, so we might as well turn Obamacare into Medicare and "get serious" about funding this thing. The same full-throated raging Seniors at these townhall meetings do not want Medicare to go away anyway....I mean, why do they want that, but not anything else? :dunno: Does that make sense?

We can start by shifting money out of the Defense Dept Budget--closing many foreign bases we have, maybe selling aircraft carriers and other obsolete military assets we currently have...we can overturn the Bush Tax Cuts (which everyone who benefited from them can afford to pay today). We can stop Big Oil tax breaks too--which Congress hasn't done yet and which Big Oil can obviously afford to pay.

We can actually make Gov't run better in order to actually fund the things that we want.

If a Gov't Health Insurance plan does come to market and most people go to it--why can't the For Profit Companies offer "boutique" health insurance policies which offers people who can pay more--more benefits--while we offer all Americans "standard coverage"?

Why do hospital rooms in many hospitals look like "upscale spas" today? Why do most Americans feel entitled to "private rooms and flat screen televisions" in their hospitals? Isn't the point of a hospital to care for someone, not entertain them? How do these hospitals pay for their flat screens? Hmm....could it be why an appendix costs $20,000?