Egypt: make your predictions

[Evil Hobo]

1. Yes I understand it's the fastest growing religion in the world..wait no it's actually Mormonism. Islam is expanding quite fast, in absolute terms it's going to be the world's largest religion.

Wrong, Mormonism is actually a branch of Christianity. Am I sensing more ignorance and maybe a hint of Christian sectarianism from you?

As liberals like to point out with FOX News, just because it's got a lot of followers doesn't mean it's good.

Well, what do you consider as "good". If we were to forward the notions of "democracy" and "mass appeal" that the US and West has been preaching and using as a justifier for countless actions, then ironically the same Islam would infact be "good" - since it will soon come to represent the "democratic majority" of the world.
Sure many are forced into it, but I doubt in significantly larger proprtions than other religions.

2. I don't think it will maintain Influence. What's your point? The Chinese and the Russians don't like Islam either. Russia is staring into a demographic abyss and may be inherited by caucus Muslims...

...Why not bring up India in all that? They seem to have been warning us about Islam for quite some time, too bad the U.S. didn't listen.

Yes, of course Russian, Chinese and even Indian governments all dispise their Muslim minorities, their fights for independance and the horrible acts of terrorism committed in their stuggle.

However, now noticing both the growth of Islam and the increased prominence of the Islamic identity worldwide, they are actively starting to suck up to it. The reason being to win over this ever-increasing number of people worldwide and align themselves nicely with the fastest growing trend in global politics, therefore having influence and taking advantage of many strategic and resource-rich countries.
The US would likely lose even more influence and prominence globally if it doesn't win over those key populations and governments, especially after the complete failure of the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iran is a country I like.

It is quite surprising to see you expressing something other than utter hatred towards perhaps the most Islamist and anti-West country in the world.
Or do you perhaps support the ultra-secularist/anti-Islamic movements there, which have grown out of frustration and rebellion at the Ayatollah?

3. More worryingly???

---What good would it NOT do? I am very happy with my ancestors and I like Western civilization, I like Europe, Australia and North America. I like what they're doing down in South America too. I'm not a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim. I don't want to pray in Arabic, I don't want to pray towards Mecca.

I don't respect Muhammad and he certainly was no more a Prophet then Warren Jeffs.

Well, as I have said two sections above, Western Civilisation stands to lose so much if it is even seen to consider the anti-Islam stance you seem so fond of.

Trying to win over said Muslims will not necessarily entail the dramatic and sensationalised radical Islamisation of the West - just as Russia, China and even India will likely not become Muslim anytime soon. Rather it will involve - for lack of a better way of putting it - lots of political ass-kissing to Islam and Muslims. I think the US is already starting this with Obama's speech to the Muslim world and continuous statements how 'Islam is a good religion' and 'not the enemy'.

Atheism is going to be the World's largest "religion." It's enshrined in China, is becoming dominant in Europe and is the fastest growing identifier in North America. It's the fastest growing "religion" in America. India is going to produce many Atheists...

As much as I wish that were true, it unfortunately is not the case. Athiesm is huge and growing in the West, but it seems mainly with ex-Christians. It still seems very rare with religious minorities.
In the developing world, there is still a lot of discrimination against Athiests. India is an extremely religious country, Hindus there are far more religious than Christians in the West, so I highly doubt it will produce any significant numbers of Athiests anytime soon.

...and I'm sure there are plenty of Atheists in the Middle East.

Yes, there are many in the Arab world, as well as Turkey and Iran. However, what we are seeing now is a very rapid growth of the Islamic identity.

Most Arabs hardly practice or know much about Islam, but recently most have been clinging onto the Islamic identity harder than ever before. This is thanks to the "Political Islam" coming in from places like Pakistan/Afghanistan and Iran, which is centred more around a pseudo-Soviet anti-West stance, which is becoming ever more popular with the actions of the West in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The growth of Islam is almost solely due to the huge birthrate. Egypt can't even come up with enough jobs to employ 1/3 of it's college graduates, that's partially due to a birthrate that's way too high.

You are very right, that is a major factor. However, thanks to funding from places like Saudi and the UAE, conversions rates are also very high. Through heroin income and the dessimation of Political Islam from Pakistan and Afghanistan, Islamic conversions are also quite common in the West too.

Peace.

 

[timon]

You got your internet back :nanner:

Finaly its back. Actualy I really did miss freeones board

4 the current events I want the advantages of both sides..the revolution new era I hope not same as Tunis cuz they are collapsing
and I want mubark stable era also

U know everyday I stay from 9 pm till the morning in the street infront of my hoome with my friends to protect our home from thieves and burglers

So I want the power shift from Mubark to the new president in peaceful way
thats all

 

[Trident1]

Oh come on now, at least make your lies sound believable - as if you were ever to talk to someone who didn't have white skin!


Trident likes the regime who's supporters accused journalists of being 'liars and Jews' then ran into Tahrir looking for Americans to attack (and actually found some and attacked them), but remember, it's everybody else who is anti-American and anti-semitic.


:dunno:






kept the peace= let Israelis live on Palestinian land without objecting


I think I've responded to enough of your relentless trolling now. I'll leave you to stew in your bloodlust for pro-democracy activists :hatsoff:

Wrong, wrong, and well ......wrong again Mr. Malay.:clap:

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

The Muslim Brotherhood will pull all of the strings in the future of Egypt and then you'll see a real crack down on freedom.

 

[timon]

The Muslim Brotherhood will pull all of the strings in the future of Egypt and then you'll see a real crack down on freedom.

2 right mate the r 1 of the most dangerous things facing a safe Egyptian future
but luckly they are hated by alot of the sociaty here but the problem is we have alot of poor people who hate the MBhood but they can be bought easly by money to support them unfortunatly

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Re: The Muslim Brotherhood:

Some might be interested in this article... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/opinion/04iht-edali04.html?_r=2&ref=egypt

 

[D-rock]

Ummmm, this is a bit off topic, but now only slightly, while were on the subject of Islam. From as rational and as objective of a standpoint as I can be, while it's not a monolithic group of people filled with nothing but evil and villains it is the worst major religion in the world. Not only is it the worse major religion in the world, it's BY FAR the worst major religion in the world. It's not even close, and hasn't been for hundreds of years now, or at least the people as a whole who practice it are. Yes, at one time the people that were Christians as a whole did a lot of bad things and were almost that bad....hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Islam now is like Christianity during the Dark Ages. What are the practitioners’ of Islam excuse?

No other major religion has the amount or even percentage of people that want to force others to their religion in the degree they do. No other religion is as quick to jump to violence. No other religion has it's religious leaders condoning violence or calling for it as a means to solve problems like they do. I'm sure there is a chance it might have happened recently, but I can't even think of any mid level religious leader of any other religion that has called for violence. No other religion is as intolerant and codifies their intolerance under law as much as they do. No other religion bans other beliefs as much as they do. No other religion has as many governments in which it's forced to operate under the Islam to the exclusion of basic human rights of others, and no other religion demands control of the government like Islam does. No other religion violates human rights to the degree it does. No other religion treats women as badly as they do. Even Christianity in it's worse moments when it regarded women as second class human beings and property to their families or husbands treated women much better than Islam does now. No other major religion has the problem with terrorist as Islam does. That includes the actual terrorist, the funders and supporters of the terrorist, and the general populace that either condones the acts or looks the other way without saying anything. I think those people are just as bad. If some group here did terrible acts in the name of Christianity, especially violent acts for example, not only would very little people support it, not only would almost everybody not say nothing, but there would be masses of people condemning it. No other religion has as many and as bad of things done in it's name while most of the people that are of that religion don't say anything or don't strongly condemn it. The minority groups like people who are Islamic in places like the west that might actually speak out pale in comparison to the huge masses in the Islamic centers of the world who don't seem to have a problem with atrocities done in Islam's name. I don't see too many people religious people from other religions dancing in the streets when people of another religion are killed.

So yeah, as much as people don't want to admit it, as politically incorrect it might be to say, and as much as I wish it wasn't true, Islam as a whole is a lot worse than any other major religion in the world when it comes to doing bad things. I'm going to be blunt. Anybody that thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, at best.

Lets see, religions that don't have anywhere near the problems or do anywhere near the bad things anymore that Islam does as a whole include:

Christianity
Buddhism
Judaism
Hinduism
Taoism
Confucism
Sikhism

...but unfortunately then there's Islam.




When most of it's practitioners are guilty in one aspect or the other even if it's just turning a blind eye as people desecrate your supposed religion in it's own name I don't buy either the "It's only a few bad apples spoiling the bunch" argument or the "Those people don't really represent what Islam is about argument". When so many people believe a religion to be a certain way for the most part it can be taken that is what the religion is about. The reason it's gained so much momentum is that it preys on people that are poor, that are in bad positions in life, or are desperate (admittedly, like other religions before them have at some times), but it does it in a way that lends itself to totalitarianism and violence against everybody else that they blame for their problems and who they see as enemies. They do happen to do one thing very well though. If there is one thing Islamic people as a religion do better than any other religion an maybe anybody else, it's to blame everybody but themselves for their problems, shortcomings, and the ills that infect their society. Even when they blame somebody in their own society and religion it's still usually some other group then the one they happen to belong to.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

Ummmm, this is a bit off topic, but now only slightly, while were on the subject of Islam. From as rational and as objective of a standpoint as I can be, while it's not a monolithic group of people filled with nothing but evil and villains it is the worst major religion in the world. Not only is it the worse major religion in the world, it's BY FAR the worst major religion in the world. It's not even close, and hasn't been for hundreds of years now, or at least the people as a whole who practice it are. Yes, at one time the people that were Christians as a whole did a lot of bad things and were almost that bad....hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Islam now is like Christianity during the Dark Ages. What are the practitioners’ of Islam excuse?

No other major religion has the amount or even percentage of people that want to force others to their religion in the degree they do. No other religion is as quick to jump to violence. No other religion has it's religious leaders condoning violence or calling for it as a means to solve problems like they do. I'm sure there is a chance it might have happened recently, but I can't even think of any mid level religious leader of any other religion that has called for violence. No other religion is as intolerant and codifies their intolerance under law as much as they do. No other religion bans other beliefs as much as they do. No other religion has as many governments in which it's forced to operate under the Islam to the exclusion of basic human rights of others, and no other religion demands control of the government like Islam does. No other religion violates human rights to the degree it does. No other religion treats women as badly as they do. Even Christianity in it's worse moments when it regarded women as second class human beings and property to their families or husbands treated women much better than Islam does now. No other major religion has the problem with terrorist as Islam does. That includes the actual terrorist, the funders and supporters of the terrorist, and the general populace that either condones the acts or looks the other way without saying anything. I think those people are just as bad. If some group here did terrible acts in the name of Christianity, especially violent acts for example, not only would very little people support it, not only would almost everybody not say nothing, but there would be masses of people condemning it. No other religion has as many and as bad of things done in it's name while most of the people that are of that religion don't say anything or don't strongly condemn it. The minority groups like people who are Islamic in places like the west that might actually speak out pale in comparison to the huge masses in the Islamic centers of the world who don't seem to have a problem with atrocities done in Islam's name. I don't see too many people religious people from other religions dancing in the streets when people of another religion are killed.

So yeah, as much as people don't want to admit it, as politically incorrect it might be to say, and as much as I wish it wasn't true, Islam as a whole is a lot worse than any other major religion in the world when it comes to doing bad things. I'm going to be blunt. Anybody that thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, at best.

Lets see, religions that don't have anywhere near the problems or do anywhere near the bad things anymore that Islam does as a whole include:

Christianity
Buddhism
Judaism
Hinduism
Taoism
Confucism
Sikhism

...but unfortunately then there's Islam.




When most of it's practitioners are guilty in one aspect or the other even if it's just turning a blind eye as people desecrate your supposed religion in it's own name I don't buy either the "It's only a few bad apples spoiling the bunch" argument or the "Those people don't really represent what Islam is about argument". When so many people believe a religion to be a certain way for the most part it can be taken that is what the religion is about. The reason it's gained so much momentum is that it preys on people that are poor, that are in bad positions in life, or are desperate (admittedly, like other religions before them have at some times), but it does it in a way that lends itself to totalitarianism and violence against everybody else that they blame for their problems and who they see as enemies. They do happen to do one thing very well though. If there is one thing Islamic people as a religion do better than any other religion an maybe anybody else, it's to blame everybody but themselves for their problems, shortcomings, and the ills that infect their society. Even when they blame somebody in their own society and religion it's still usually some other group then the one they happen to belong to.

and Asalamalakum to you as well brother.

 

[qiinson]

Hopefully it will end in peace and some form of demo goverment.

 

[mrglueass]

Wrong, wrong, and well ......wrong again Mr. Malay.:clap:

trident,
no matter what you post here, the only thing i see is hate...

bush administration n israel administrations (netanyahu and others) created this dictator, they way he became president in Egypt was bloody, and US supported him, they sent more than a billion dollars every year so this guy could contunie torturing his own people

israel also supported him so that they can keep those poor Palestinians in their cage, if mubarek loses his power (most likely he will ) than the next administration is not help israel, now israel sees how they fucked up the whole middle east...

and look at obama, he could not say anything directly... because he supported the CIA Made dictator, like taliban, saddam and the rest of them

American people should say no, should stop this corruption

 

[mrglueass]

Ummmm, this is a bit off topic, but now only slightly, while were on the subject of Islam. From as rational and as objective of a standpoint as I can be, while it's not a monolithic group of people filled with nothing but evil and villains it is the worst major religion in the world. Not only is it the worse major religion in the world, it's BY FAR the worst major religion in the world. It's not even close, and hasn't been for hundreds of years now, or at least the people as a whole who practice it are. Yes, at one time the people that were Christians as a whole did a lot of bad things and were almost that bad....hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Islam now is like Christianity during the Dark Ages. What are the practitioners’ of Islam excuse?

No other major religion has the amount or even percentage of people that want to force others to their religion in the degree they do. No other religion is as quick to jump to violence. No other religion has it's religious leaders condoning violence or calling for it as a means to solve problems like they do. I'm sure there is a chance it might have happened recently, but I can't even think of any mid level religious leader of any other religion that has called for violence. No other religion is as intolerant and codifies their intolerance under law as much as they do. No other religion bans other beliefs as much as they do. No other religion has as many governments in which it's forced to operate under the Islam to the exclusion of basic human rights of others, and no other religion demands control of the government like Islam does. No other religion violates human rights to the degree it does. No other religion treats women as badly as they do. Even Christianity in it's worse moments when it regarded women as second class human beings and property to their families or husbands treated women much better than Islam does now. No other major religion has the problem with terrorist as Islam does. That includes the actual terrorist, the funders and supporters of the terrorist, and the general populace that either condones the acts or looks the other way without saying anything. I think those people are just as bad. If some group here did terrible acts in the name of Christianity, especially violent acts for example, not only would very little people support it, not only would almost everybody not say nothing, but there would be masses of people condemning it. No other religion has as many and as bad of things done in it's name while most of the people that are of that religion don't say anything or don't strongly condemn it. The minority groups like people who are Islamic in places like the west that might actually speak out pale in comparison to the huge masses in the Islamic centers of the world who don't seem to have a problem with atrocities done in Islam's name. I don't see too many people religious people from other religions dancing in the streets when people of another religion are killed.

So yeah, as much as people don't want to admit it, as politically incorrect it might be to say, and as much as I wish it wasn't true, Islam as a whole is a lot worse than any other major religion in the world when it comes to doing bad things. I'm going to be blunt. Anybody that thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, at best.

Lets see, religions that don't have anywhere near the problems or do anywhere near the bad things anymore that Islam does as a whole include:

Christianity
Buddhism
Judaism
Hinduism
Taoism
Confucism
Sikhism

...but unfortunately then there's Islam.




When most of it's practitioners are guilty in one aspect or the other even if it's just turning a blind eye as people desecrate your supposed religion in it's own name I don't buy either the "It's only a few bad apples spoiling the bunch" argument or the "Those people don't really represent what Islam is about argument". When so many people believe a religion to be a certain way for the most part it can be taken that is what the religion is about. The reason it's gained so much momentum is that it preys on people that are poor, that are in bad positions in life, or are desperate (admittedly, like other religions before them have at some times), but it does it in a way that lends itself to totalitarianism and violence against everybody else that they blame for their problems and who they see as enemies. They do happen to do one thing very well though. If there is one thing Islamic people as a religion do better than any other religion an maybe anybody else, it's to blame everybody but themselves for their problems, shortcomings, and the ills that infect their society. Even when they blame somebody in their own society and religion it's still usually some other group then the one they happen to belong to.

ridiculous,

religion, nation, culture has nothing to do with their dictators
look at china, they keep torturing Tibetans, look at Australia government what they did to aboriginals children,

look at hitler, soviet union, mormons
some people who somehow takes over the power uses different tools, the most common one is religion, none of the religions built to kill anybody, that is those dictators change the rules according their own agenda...

who do you think killed john lennon?
muslims?

pope has still make ridicilous comment on other religions, but the good think people in europe passed the ignorance level so nobody cares about him anymore, but american are a little behind, and middle east and asia people are too,
look at china they are under communist regime, everybody are supposed to be equal, some of them live 100 people in a little house the others has huge houses, why do you think those people have not done anything like egytians started?
ignorance and religion

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

ridiculous,

religion, nation, culture has nothing to do with their dictators
look at china, they keep torturing Tibetans, look at Australia government what they did to aboriginals children,

look at hitler, soviet union, mormons
some people who somehow takes over the power uses different tools, the most common one is religion, none of the religions built to kill anybody, that is those dictators change the rules according their own agenda...

who do you think killed john lennon?
muslims?

pope has still make ridicilous comment on other religions, but the good think people in europe passed the ignorance level so nobody cares about him anymore, but american are a little behind, and middle east and asia people are too,
look at china they are under communist regime, everybody are supposed to be equal, some of them live 100 people in a little house the others has huge houses, why do you think those people have not done anything like egytians started?
ignorance and religion

had a tough time understand what you were writing

but i got your point

and i agree

 

[Trident1]

trident,
no matter what you post here, the only thing i see is hate...

bush administration n israel administrations (netanyahu and others) created this dictator, they way he became president in Egypt was bloody, and US supported him, they sent more than a billion dollars every year so this guy could contunie torturing his own people

israel also supported him so that they can keep those poor Palestinians in their cage, if mubarek loses his power (most likely he will ) than the next administration is not help israel, now israel sees how they fucked up the whole middle east...

and look at obama, he could not say anything directly... because he supported the CIA Made dictator, like taliban, saddam and the rest of them

American people should say no, should stop this corruption

:tinhat::1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You're a card.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

trident,
no matter what you post here, the only thing i see is hate...

bush administration n israel administrations (netanyahu and others) created this dictator, they way he became president in Egypt was bloody, and US supported him, they sent more than a billion dollars every year so this guy could contunie torturing his own people

israel also supported him so that they can keep those poor Palestinians in their cage, if mubarek loses his power (most likely he will ) than the next administration is not help israel, now israel sees how they fucked up the whole middle east...

and look at obama, he could not say anything directly... because he supported the CIA Made dictator, like taliban, saddam and the rest of them

American people should say no, should stop this corruption

How did the Bush Administration create a dictator that's been President since 1981?

Before that Egypt had dictators too.


When do Muslims take responsibility for all the mayhem and bloodshed that they've caused to each other and non-Muslims?

I see them go on about all the trouble and conspiracies that befall them, but when do Muslims ever admit the atrocities Muslims have committed through the centuries, starting with the Prophet Muhammad and going on to the present day?

Why should non-Muslim apologize when Muslims don't do it?

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

ridiculous,

religion, nation, culture has nothing to do with their dictators
look at china, they keep torturing Tibetans, look at Australia government what they did to aboriginals children,

look at hitler, soviet union, mormons
some people who somehow takes over the power uses different tools, the most common one is religion, none of the religions built to kill anybody, that is those dictators change the rules according their own agenda...

who do you think killed john lennon?
muslims?

pope has still make ridicilous comment on other religions, but the good think people in europe passed the ignorance level so nobody cares about him anymore, but american are a little behind, and middle east and asia people are too,
look at china they are under communist regime, everybody are supposed to be equal, some of them live 100 people in a little house the others has huge houses, why do you think those people have not done anything like egytians started?
ignorance and religion

You just went all over the world but refused to acknowledge what Muslims do to non-Muslims and to each other.

 

[sierratango1]

Islamic caliphate is coming - it must be stopped

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Islamic caliphate is coming - it must be stopped

Let them have their Caliphate. If and when they try anything funny, they'll get smashed.

 

[wigster]

Egypt make your predictions ~ I predict a riot

 

[Trident1]

How did the Bush Administration create a dictator that's been President since 1981?

The US didn't create Mubarak any more than we created Sadat. It's all leftist bs.

If anything we can blame the Brits, they were involved in Egyptian affairs since the 1880s finally culminating in the Suez war in 1956. After that you had the Communists giving Nasser support for his Pan Arabist dream.

 

[Boothbabe]

The US didn't create Mubarak any more than we created Sadat. It's all leftist bs.

If you fell into a pond they'd be skimming stupid of the surface for a week.