Egypt: make your predictions

[busenbust]

be quelled soon enough/ revolution ? :laugh: fuck that! no Chance. if it spreads -- oil at $250 soon enough :shocked: the markets will shrug this off soon enough! Egyptian riots ! :laugh: get back in line !

 

[Straight Shooter]

We should be mindful that those who start a revolution don't always end it. Case in point the Iranian Revolution

 

[Ziggous]

no internet would piss me off

 

[emceeemcee]

Dominic Asquith, Britain's ambassador to Egypt, said of the demonstrations: "I'm struck by the variety of age, of class, of gender. It's across the board, you can see it – you can see the variety of people there. It's not, from my perception, religiously driven. This is not the Muslim Brotherhood. The important thing that we have to focus on is to try to maintain a state of order where what President Mubarak talks of, a national dialogue, can take place."

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op...-protests-hosni-mubarak-power&cat=top-stories

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

article by Mohamed ElBaradei:

Where does El Baradei live?

Seeing the way Muslim Egyptians (some of whom are probably out marching for their rights) treat Copts, I have to wonder what percentage of Egyptian society El Baradei speaks for?

I think we're going to figure out a way to deal with these people. The Muslim Brotherhood is the largest opposition group in Egypt, so they will definitely play a role in the new government. But then again, if these folks learn to leave non-Muslims alone, who cares.

The only problem is that Muslims (and yes I'm using the general term for a reason) seem to have selective amnesia. They remember what non-Muslims have done to them and they forget what they do to others.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

We should be mindful that those who start a revolution don't always end it. Case in point the Iranian Revolution

That's it right there.

I still think we should tell Mubarak he has to go. Things are already bad for the U.S. in Egypt, telling him to go right now may not help us in talking to the new government. We could literally do everything they want and they may still refuse to negotiate with the U.S.

BUT backing up Mubarak just enforces the viewpoint of the U.S.

If it so happens that Egypt gets an MB led government or that the MB is very influential on policy toward the U.S. it'll hurt. If they get wild and want to push the U.S. then we know how to deal with that too.

The international media has gone from saying he will probably make it through this to saying he'll be gone in a matter of weeks. So we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Trident1]

Watch the MB take over or the Generals. I prefer the Generals.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Watch the MB take over or the Generals. I prefer the Generals.

I don't think the Generals will last for long. There will be a huge amount of international pressure for them to appoint a caretaker government to plan for elections. I don't know if foreign powers will put their money where their mouth is and impose sanctions, but some may.

 

[TITS KING]

I don't think the Generals will last for long. There will be a huge amount of international pressure for them to appoint a caretaker government to plan for elections. I don't know if foreign powers will put their money where their mouth is and impose sanctions, but some may.

AS long as the dictator is loyal to foreign powers, dictator will be there till he is alive. The foreign players just care for their interests. They care for their interest in the region; does not matter to them if one hundred or one million people are killed. That is the simple rule of humanity of the power players of the world... :hatsoff:

 

[emceeemcee]

 

[emceeemcee]

Mubarak's two sons, Gamal and Ala, arrived in London late Saturday as the clashes in their home country continued. The Egyptian president's wife left Egypt later on Saturday and is also expected to arrive in London, Al Jazeera reported.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/interna...t-mubarak-s-family-leaves-for-london-1.339974

 

[Straight Shooter]

The main thing is that the U.S doesn't want Egypt to turn into an anti-western, anti-Israel bastion

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

AS long as the dictator is loyal to foreign powers, dictator will be there till he is alive. The foreign players just care for their interests. They care for their interest in the region; does not matter to them if one hundred or one million people are killed. That is the simple rule of humanity of the power players of the world... :hatsoff:

Are you sure about that? Because if we wanted to get OBL we could have just bombed Afghanistan into nothing.

If all we cared about is our interests, we would have killed the Arabs off decades ago, taken their oil and not have to deal with all the B.S. murder and headaches they cause us.

As for Mubarak, he wasn't disobeying the U.S. when he was forced from power and the media has been critical of him.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

The main thing is that the U.S doesn't want Egypt to turn into an anti-western, anti-Israel bastion

It already is an anti-Western bastion. There are plenty of those folks who are pro-Democracy, or not opposed to use elections to get power who HATE Western countries, and want to oppress and or conquer non-Muslims.

In the end, even if the U.S. comes out strongly in favor of the protesters there's no guarantee it will mend relations with the Egyptian people.

It'll be watch and wait. If Islamists take power in Egypt and they start taking action to hurt the U.S. then we can deal with it.

 

[Supafly]

You can watch the livestream on Al-Jazeera TV - luckily, I have that on cable. Terrible to see all the tanks in the streets, the army choppers overheads, and the F114s I think they are.

Situation can swing in any given way any time it seems

 

[Straight Shooter]

The outcome has to be decided by the Egyptian people, the U.S shouldn't be seen as dictating events and Obama knows this. They know Mubarak's time has run out but the U.S. shouldn't get a vote in the political process if he were to step down, only the Egyptian people get the vote.

 

[Ulysses31]

You can watch the livestream on Al-Jazeera TV - luckily, I have that on cable. Terrible to see all the tanks in the streets, the army choppers overheads, and the F114s I think they are.

Situation can swing in any given way any time it seems

I wouldn't worry too much about the army being there and once Mubarak has filled his bank accounts as much as possible he'll probably come to the Uk as his wife is half Welsh and has a British passport

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/30/article-1351826-0CF8EDAB000005DC-448_634x743.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/30/article-1351826-0CF55CDE000005DC-965_634x412.jpg


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eave-30-000-Brits-stranded.html#ixzz1CXT27qIk

 

[emceeemcee]

The main thing is that the U.S doesn't want Egypt to turn into an anti-western, anti-Israel bastion

Too late for that. If Israel and the US didn't want a hostile Egyptian public they shouldn't have conspired to keep a dictator in power or bomb their Arab brethren to smithereens all over the middle east.

Beyond those gripes, I think Egyptians are more concerned with their own country rather than obsessing over the Western powers. Though you wouldn't get that impression from reading most western media outlets. We've been led to believe for donkeys that Mubarak was the lesser of two evils, a necessary counterbalance to stop an even worse force from coming in.

It's all bullshit used to justify a self-serving foreign policy.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Too late for that. If Israel and the US didn't want a hostile Egyptian public they shouldn't have conspired to keep a dictator in power or bomb their Arab brethren to smithereens all over the middle east.

Beyond those gripes, I think Egyptians are more concerned with their own country rather than obsessing over the Western powers. Though you wouldn't get that impression from reading most western media outlets. We've been led to believe for donkeys that Mubarak was the lesser of two evils, a necessary counterbalance to stop an even worse force from coming in.

It's all bullshit used to justify a self-serving foreign policy.

I disagree. There is animosity towards the West and Israel in almost every Arab country including Egypt. However that doesn't make it an anti-west, anti-Israel bastion. These protests have more to do with the Egyptian people's frustration that their government has failed them

 

[georges]

you can expect the worse