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Egypt: make your predictions

you can't handle any of those bitter home truths about your own country so you just resort to deflection and strawman arguments.



some indoctrinated American rightard who thinks his country has never put a foot wrong wants to moan about hypocrisy and double standards :1orglaugh

It's not strawman arguments it's the facts of history that Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Buddhist and Christian sources corroborate.

Muslims have been slaughtering non-Muslims for hundreds of years before the first Crusade, before the Inquisition, before the first Europeans set foot in the Americas.
 
Well, looks like there has been some calls to violence against Americans after all. From Mubarak's supporters:



So I guess for all those stateside like Trident who support Mubarak, traitor can be added to their list of qualities :dunno:

If you hadn't noticed the anti-Mubarak signs and chants were already Anti-American. Check Al Jazeera-English.


You're so ridiculous, I might have to block you.:1orglaugh
 

emceeemcee

Banned
It's not strawman arguments it's the facts of history that Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Buddhist and Christian sources corroborate.

Muslims have been slaughtering non-Muslims for hundreds of years before the first Crusade, before the Inquisition, before the first Europeans set foot in the Americas.


lol who fuckn cares?


Why do you keep arguing the case against Islam when nobody in this thread ever attempted to make it in the first place? Sounds like you are reading a different thread than the rest of us.


PS it's not such a good idea to paint a picture of Muslims and Arabs as generally a violent and sinister people who represent the antitheisis to civilized society, in a thread which is discussing a non-violent uprising in a Muslim country :facepalm:
 

emceeemcee

Banned
If you hadn't noticed the anti-Mubarak signs and chants were already Anti-American. Check Al Jazeera-English.

The cries of loathing for Mubarak are becoming familiar, the posters ever more intriguing. "Neither Mubarak, nor Suleiman, and we don't need you Obama – but we don't dislike USA,"
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-secular-and-devout-rich-and-poor-they-marched-together-with-one-goal-2201504.html


You mean like that? :facepalm:


Even if there were some (I still haven't seen any) I'm not surprised that a few of the locals might be a little bit miffed with America for supporting a funding the bloke who lays into them with American made weapons :rolleyes:
 

Ulysses31

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.

emceeemcee

Banned
• Thousands of pro-Mubarak supporters have attacked pro-democracy supporters in central Cairo. Some rode in on horses and camels (1.24pm). Many brandished iron bars and baseball bats and they have also thrown rocks and ripped up bits of pavement to create weapons.

•Pro-democracy protesters have fought back and managed to keep control of Tahrir Square as clashes took place in all the side streets around Cairo's central plaza (4.43pm).

•Eyewitnesses say hundreds of people have been injured. An unconscious boy, no more than 8-years-old, was among those seen being carried away for medical treatment. The health ministry said one person has been killed in Tahrir Square and 403 people injured (5.49pm)

•The violence of the pro-Mubarak supporters appears to be organised, with policemen and hired thugs seemingly involved. The UK prime minister, David Cameron, said it would be "completely unacceptable" if the government was involved (3.16pm). The Egyptian interior ministry has denied any involvement but has made no attempt to intervene in the clashes.

•Mohamed ElBaradei has urged the army to intervene to stop the violence in Cairo (3.24pm). He told the Guardian the determination not to negotiate with the Mubarak regime had been strengthened by today's events and people now want to see the Egyptian leader put on trial (5.52pm).

•Pro-Mubarak protesters have also taken to the streets in Alexandria but so far there have not been the violent scenes seen in Cairo. (5.30pm)

• Ahead of a planned protest in Yemen, president Ali Abdullah Saleh has said he won't seek re-election in 2013. Analysts say he is up to his old tricks. (9.31am)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/feb/02/egypt-protests-live-updates
 
The cries of loathing for Mubarak are becoming familiar, the posters ever more intriguing. "Neither Mubarak, nor Suleiman, and we don't need you Obama – but we don't dislike USA,"
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-secular-and-devout-rich-and-poor-they-marched-together-with-one-goal-2201504.html


You mean like that? :facepalm:


Even if there were some (I still haven't seen any) I'm not surprised that a few of the locals might be a little bit miffed with America for supporting a funding the bloke who lays into them with American made weapons :rolleyes:

GO ahead and take a look at the signs that Al Jazeera itself is showing. You keep backtracking.
 
lol who fuckn cares?


Why do you keep arguing the case against Islam when nobody in this thread ever attempted to make it in the first place? Sounds like you are reading a different thread than the rest of us.


PS it's not such a good idea to paint a picture of Muslims and Arabs as generally a violent and sinister people who represent the antitheisis to civilized society, in a thread which is discussing a non-violent uprising in a Muslim country :facepalm:

U mad bro?
 

Facetious

Moderated
Sorry if this has already been asked, but why are most of the protester/picketer signs drawn/printed up in English? º-O

Wait a minute, you don't suppose that . . .


never mind :facepalm:
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
lol who fuckn cares?


Why do you keep arguing the case against Islam when nobody in this thread ever attempted to make it in the first place? Sounds like you are reading a different thread than the rest of us.


PS it's not such a good idea to paint a picture of Muslims and Arabs as generally a violent and sinister people who represent the antitheisis to civilized society, in a thread which is discussing a non-violent uprising in a Muslim country :facepalm:
I wish I could rep you for this...
 

Trident1

Less than 1,000 posts away from my free Freeones T-shirt
Oh dear, now 'Malay' has replaced 'French' as the new insult of choice among the hapless conservative underclass in the US



:1orglaugh




No you remind me of a Malaysian guy I knew. He was anti Semitic, anti Israel, and anti US.

The following article has it right. Looks like the military which is highly respected among Egyptians will take the reigns.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_story_of_the_egyptian_revo.html




So I guess for all those stateside like Trident who support Mubarak, traitor can be added to their list of qualities :dunno:


Mr. Malay, Mubarak kept the peace with Israel and his actions against Islamists is worthy of a :hatsoff:

As for the rest of his rule well I leave that to the Egyptian people to decide.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
BBC news just showed me something:
A guy said "I'm reporting from Washington with complete coverage of the events in Egypt"
:wtf:
What happened to the high quality of BBC journalism?!
 

Evil Hobo

Still waiting for Jenna to answer my PM
The central security service and the police seem to have earned more hatred as they enforced his authority on the people. The Egyptian military was made of conscripts at the lower level and identified more closely with the civilians. Young men would shuffle in and out of the military as a matter of course. They weren't involved in the daily annoyances like extracting fines out of civilians and all the corruption that brings. Also, the plain clothes police were drawn from the central security service and not the army.

* Did you not know these things or were you just looking to pick a fight with Trident?

Yes I know these facts well, but that in no way negates the fact that the military leaders (with their own unique agendas) have supported dictatorships in Egypt since the 1952 coup.
The Central Security Service or "Mukhabarat" are directly subordinate to the Presidential Office, while the Military kind of works alongside it. Mubarak was shown time and again meeting with the top military commanders recently in face of the protests for protection.
I am guessing an element is the protestors are trying to win the powerful military on side.

I was in no way picking a fight with Trident, but rather stating the fact that remains true till now - how it is suspicious the crowds are so friendly with the military initially sent to quell their dissent.
I also believe what you say is infact a non-point - it makes no difference who the cadets are or where they come from, the generals still have their own agendas which have been aligned with that of dictators there for the past 58 years.

Islamists that actually follow their religion are enemies of non-Muslims because Islam is uniquely structured as a conquering ideology. It's found in the words and deeds of Muhammad and his rightly led companions and is the defining theme of Muslim history.

Islam uniquely puts the Muslim above the non-Muslim in peace time and encourages war by making the definition of "just war" or "Jihad" flexible and rewarding for aggressive young Muslim men.


So while we aren't likely to see fights between Egypt and powerful Western
led countries the nature of the religion coupled wWith Islam's ideology it won't be useful to Western, non-Muslim powers. Couple that with Europe's demographic problems and it's proximity to the Middle East and we're looking at conflicts in the mid and long term. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood will be going on moral crusades, they are too smart for that. What they do believe in is incremental change. When the time is right that inevitably means conflict with non-Muslims.

Israel is strongly supported by the United States. Muslims prevailing attitude toward Israel's control of Palestine and Al Quds means we are operating at cross purposes. Unless organizations like AIPAC and Zionists within the U.S. media, think tanks and Congress lose quite a bit of influence over policy makers, we're bound to see problems in the mid term.


Your ignorance here regarding Islam is truely remarkable.
While I can go on trying to convince you Islam isn't the one-dimentional villian some bigots put it out to be, experience has shown people like you will probably just fall back on increasingly ridiculous claims and the plethora of anti-Islam sites out there and the hate they continuously spew.
I guess some people just enjoy having both a simple one-dimentional villian to hate and a moral higher ground - as dillusional as the foundations to those might be.

I'm sure even you understand Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, seeming to overtake Christianity in a few years, and there is a growing Islamisation growing in most Muslim countries. Out of interest, how do you think the West is going to maintain influence - let alone allies - in all those countries, in the face of an expantionist Iran, resurgent Russia and China with it's own agendas nowadays?
More worryingly, do you actually think fighting against the entirity of Islam is going to achieve anything?
 

timon

Board Whore
4 me I support Mubark 4 the next 6 months only (((I am from Egypt btw and Its getting very bad here ))
 
Yes I know these facts well, but that in no way negates the fact that the military leaders (with their own unique agendas) have supported dictatorships in Egypt since the 1952 coup.
The Central Security Service or "Mukhabarat" are directly subordinate to the Presidential Office, while the Military kind of works alongside it. Mubarak was shown time and again meeting with the top military commanders recently in face of the protests for protection.
I am guessing an element is the protestors are trying to win the powerful military on side.

I was in no way picking a fight with Trident, but rather stating the fact that remains true till now - how it is suspicious the crowds are so friendly with the military initially sent to quell their dissent.
I also believe what you say is infact a non-point - it makes no difference who the cadets are or where they come from, the generals still have their own agendas which have been aligned with that of dictators there for the past 58 years.



Your ignorance here regarding Islam is truely remarkable.
While I can go on trying to convince you Islam isn't the one-dimentional villian some bigots put it out to be, experience has shown people like you will probably just fall back on increasingly ridiculous claims and the plethora of anti-Islam sites out there and the hate they continuously spew.
I guess some people just enjoy having both a simple one-dimentional villian to hate and a moral higher ground - as dillusional as the foundations to those might be
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Umadbro?

I'm sure even you understand Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, seeming to overtake Christianity in a few years, and there is a growing Islamisation growing in most Muslim countries. Out of interest, how do you think the West is going to maintain influence - let alone allies - in all those countries, in the face of an expantionist Iran, resurgent Russia and China with it's own agendas nowadays?
More worryingly, do you actually think fighting against the entirity of Islam is going to achieve anything?

1. Yes I understand it's the fastest growing religion in the world..wait no it's actually Mormonism. Islam is expanding quite fast, in absolute terms it's going to be the world's largest religion.

As liberals like to point out with FOX News, just because it's got a lot of followers doesn't mean it's good.

2. I don't think it will maintain Influence. What's your point? The Chinese and the Russians don't like Islam either. Russia is staring into a demographic abyss and may be inherited by caucus Muslims. Iran is a country I like.
Why not bring up India in all that? They seem to have been warning us about Islam for quite some time, too bad the U.S. didn't listen.

3. More worryingly???

---What good would it NOT do? I am very happy with my ancestors and I like Western civilization, I like Europe, Australia and North America. I like what they're doing down in South America too. I'm not a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim. I don't want to pray in Arabic, I don't want to pray towards Mecca.

I don't respect Muhammad and he certainly was no more a Prophet then Warren Jeffs.




Atheism is going to be the World's largest "religion." It's enshrined in China, is becoming dominant in Europe and is the fastest growing identifier in North America. It's the fastest growing "religion" in America. India is going to produce many Atheists and I'm sure there are plenty of Atheists in the Middle East.


The growth of Islam is almost solely due to the huge birthrate. Egypt can't even come up with enough jobs to employ 1/3 of it's college graduates, that's partially due to a birthrate that's way too high.
 

emceeemcee

Banned
No you remind me of a Malaysian guy I knew. He was anti Semitic, anti Israel, and anti US.

Oh come on now, at least make your lies sound believable - as if you were ever to talk to someone who didn't have white skin!


Trident likes the regime who's supporters accused journalists of being 'liars and Jews' then ran into Tahrir looking for Americans to attack (and actually found some and attacked them), but remember, it's everybody else who is anti-American and anti-semitic.


:dunno:



Mubarak kept the peace with Israel


kept the peace= let Israelis live on Palestinian land without objecting


I think I've responded to enough of your relentless trolling now. I'll leave you to stew in your bloodlust for pro-democracy activists :hatsoff:
 
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