Elian Gonzalez: The most influencial person of the 21st century?

[meesterperfect]

Conversation topic:
The Elian Gonzalez affair
I know, old news, but does it still influence so much today, so many lives today and for the last 8+ years?
Did it change world history as we know it?
I believe it did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elian_Gonzalez_affair

Think about it. Its like alternate timelines.
In the 2000 election Al Gore/Joe Lieberman lost the election by 537 votes in the state of Florida, which cost them the election.
At the time of the election so many Cuban Americans in Florida were very pissed off at Al Gore and the Democratic Party's handling of the whole Elian Gonzalez situation.
I think its safe to say that cost Gore at least 538 Florida votes and the Presidency.

Now the rest is of course subject to speculation.
Gore is President on Sept. 11.
Does it still happen?
If so what does he do?
Does he enter Afghanistan? Iraq?
Does he capture Bin Laden?
Does the country get attacked again?

Does he get re-elected in 2004?
Perhaps a republican wins.
Perhaps Guilliani ( that was his hot time), Perhaps McCain.

Brings us to Obama in 2008
Would he have ever even ran for PREZ?
Leiberman may have been the vice PREZ all the while.
Would Obama have one.

So many possibilities.......I do believe that that little kid changed the course of history immensely.

Whats your theory/s?

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Eight years ago a mouse came up to me and wanted a cookie.
I gave that mouse a cookie.
That mouse is the single most important living thing in history.

If I did not give that mouse a cookie.
It might have realized that mooching off of everyone else is no way to live.
It could have decided to get a job and a family.
It could have come up with an amazing idea for a new kind of waffle maker, or a new type of sock.
He could have made millions.
But what could he have done with those millions?

He could have been a good mouse.
He could have donated it all to charity.
The millions could have helped find the cure for AIDs.
Millions of people worldwide would be saved.

Or, he could have been a naughty little mouse.
He could have used those millions to strike back against the humans.
He could have created a type of ebola virus that is carried by household cats.
The mouse's natural enemy.
The cats would ahve given it to the humans, and everyone in the world would have died.
And no one would be able to question how a mouse became capable of such things.


But instead, that mouse got eaten by an owl later that night and nothing ever came of it.

:dunno:

 

[ChefChiTown]

Nobody cared about Elian Gonzalez when he first "appeared" and nobody cares about him now. So, nothing has changed, therefore, making him NON-influential to any degree.

Eight years ago a mouse came up to me and wanted a cookie.
I gave that mouse a cookie.
That mouse is the single most important living thing in history.

If I did not give that mouse a cookie.
It might have realized that mooching off of everyone else is no way to live.
It could have decided to get a job and a family.
It could have come up with an amazing idea for a new kind of waffle maker, or a new type of sock.
He could have made millions.
But what could he have done with those millions?

He could have been a good mouse.
He could have donated it all to charity.
The millions could have helped find the cure for AIDs.
Millions of people worldwide would be saved.

Or, he could have been a naughty little mouse.
He could have used those millions to strike back against the humans.
He could have created a type of ebola virus that is carried by household cats.
The mouse's natural enemy.
The cats would ahve given it to the humans, and everyone in the world would have died.
And no one would be able to question how a mouse became capable of such things.


But instead, that mouse got eaten by an owl later that night and nothing ever came of it.

:dunno:

I'm sorry about your mouse. He seemed like a good person, er, pet, er, animal? :dunno:

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Nobody cared about Elian Gonzalez when he first "appeared" and nobody cares about him now. So, nothing has changed, therefore, making him NON-influential to any degree.



I'm sorry about your mouse. He seemed like a good person, er, pet, er, animal? :dunno:

Oh, no, I didn't really know him. He was just some random, speaking mouse who broke into my house and asked me for a cookie...

 

[ChefChiTown]

Oh, no, I didn't really know him. He was just some random, speaking mouse who broke into my house and asked me for a cookie...

What a demanding asshole! Breaking into your house and asking for a cookie? The nerve!

 

[YMIHERE]

Al Gore Defeats George Bush in 2000

 

[meesterperfect]

ok whatever nobody cared about him.
just enough people to changed the 2000 election......no big deal.

maybe i'll start going around posting nonsense on both of your threads.
or maybe i'll just follow the rules instead.

 

[ChefChiTown]

ok whatever nobody cared about him.
just enough people to changed the 2000 election......no big deal.

maybe i'll start going around posting nonsense on both of your threads.
or maybe i'll just follow the rules instead.

Are you serious? Are you honestly offended that I don't share your wild point of view that some meaningless Cuban boy is somehow the most influential person of the 21st century?

Not Albert Einstein, Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr...no. But, a random Cuban boy? YES!!!

Ronald Fucking McDonald is a MILLION times more influential than Elian Gonzalez will ever be, and no, I'm not kidding. Ronald McDonald is the face of McDonald's and influences millions upon millions upon millions of kids to eat at "his" restaurants. Those millions upon millions upon millions of kids, then influence their parents to take them to "his" restaurant, therefore, generating billions upon billions upon billions of dollars in revenue. Ronald McDonald, a make believe CLOWN influences more people every single day than Elian Gonzalez will influence in a thousand of his lifetimes.

Here's another good idea...let's start a thread which was created as a conversation starter, and then complain when somebody doesn't say exactly what we want them to say.

Nobody cares about Elian Gonzalez and nobody ever did. It was a flash in the pan news story that was instantly forgotten about within a few weeks.

 

[h00t3rl0v3r]

Who????

 

[meesterperfect]

you like to argue.
i'm not offended that you don't think that issue affected the extremely close florida election.
It was 500 votes that changed the whole damn thing, and the cubans were very pissed off at the democrats at that time.
but i really don't care what you think.

what does kind of piss me off is you and the other one talking shit about some mouse right out of the gate.
I think the term is hijacking a thread. Its not cool.

 

[Spunner]

What influential? Nobody talks about him. Nixon still has more influence that that kid. Oh, and it was right to deport him. It made me sick that all those Americans said that they would take him in, but wouldn't lift a damn finger to help any homeless American kid. I hate American people.

 

[ChefChiTown]

you like to argue.
i'm not offended that you don't think that issue affected the extremely close florida election.
It was 500 votes that changed the whole damn thing, and the cubans were very pissed off at the democrats at that time.
but i really don't care what you think.

what does kind of piss me off is you and the other one talking shit about some mouse right out of the gate.
I think the term is hijacking a thread. Its not cool.

First of all, Elian Gonzalez didn't single-handedly change anything. There are a million other factors that play into a Presidential election, so trying to claim that Elian Gonzalez's story ended up forever changing our history is quite far-fetched.

You're playing the butterfly effect with this Elian Gonzalez theory and it doesn't work that way. If it did, then you would have to give all of the credit to his parents, because they were the ones who put him on the boat in the first place. Without his parents, none of your theory would be true because Elian never would've gotten into the boat and made it to the US. But, without his parent's parents, none of this would be true either. Or, his parent's parent's parents. Oh boy...this could take a while.

Secondly, nobody is hijacking this thread. Plasma made a funny post and I acknowledged it. Deal with it. I gave you serious response and stated my "theory", which is what you asked for. Don't ask for something and then bitch when you get it.

 

[Spunner]

First of all, Elian Gonzalez didn't single-handedly change anything.

Yes he did. He changed my view of American idiots. Cater to the foreigners first. Fuck that!

 

[meesterperfect]

At the time the story was happening I didn't care about it either, but thats irrelevant.

the fact is many cuban voters in florida did. 100's of thousands of them.
100's of them actually surrounded the house and tried to stop the heavily armed feds from getting in.
it happened in april before the election so it was still very fresh in the minds of the cuban voters in november.
fact: if gore won florida he won the presidency.
fact: the official vote count in florida was a 537 vote difference in favor of bush.
So I think its logical and not far fetched to say there were at least 538 pissed off cubans that voted republican instead of democrat due to anger towards Al gore, the clinton administration and the democratic party in 2000.

 

[Facetious]

you like to argue.
i'm not offended that you don't think that issue affected the extremely close florida election.
It was 500 votes that changed the whole damn thing, and the cubans were very pissed off at the democrats at that time.
but i really don't care what you think.

what does kind of piss me off is you and the other one talking shit about some mouse right out of the gate.
I think the term is hijacking a thread. Its not cool.

I've never been able to figure that one out, either.
If I'm not interested in your thread, I'm not interested in your thread. :dunno: From me, you will receive, either an answer to your question, or nothing at all. Why do I need to worry about the reasoning behind your post ? Why would I feel the need to chide you for something that I was disinterested in ? I've got twenty other, more productive, ways with which to fill my time, including the seeking of a thread that actually interests me
I vow not to make haste or belittle the hell out of anybodies thread. :bowdown::angels:



Re: Elian Gonzalez: The most influencial person of the 21st century?

Meester - It is a rather interesting question, . Just look at the sequence of events that ensued, as many of the Cuban nationals turned their backs on the Demo party, en mass, following the
raid - o - goons

GWB might not have been this nation's President at all, had this Gonzales incident not taken place. A little Cuban kid could have made all the diff !!

 

[maildude]

That's a stretch. Interesting to read though. All we learned from the whole Gonzalez thing was that A) The governments of Cuba and the US still don't get along, and B) The media packs a helluva punch.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Elian Gonzalez the most influencial person of the 21 century? hardly dude! I couldn't fuckin wait until that little obnoxious MF'er just went back too cuba or they let him be!! just out of the fuckin news!!

Unfortunately the dubious honor of would have too go to george w. bush or osama bin laden!!

Atleast they all have something in common, they all make me wanna shoot myself!!

 

[Friday on my mind]

Haven't most of the objective analysis shown that Gore actually would have won Florida if a full recount had been done? Much more than Elian, Jeb Bush and Katherine whatever her name was had more to do with GWB being able to steal Florida and the election.And I think what happened to Elian was correct in being returned to his father no matter how the cuban community felt about it.Geez wish we could get those former batista supporters in miami deported but Cuba sure don't want them.Maybe guantanamo has room?:dunno:

 

[Dawn]

Impact on Florida results? Yes, it's very possible it have cost Florida in the election. But it's one of numerous factors in my opinion.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Lots of factors caused Gore to lose Fla, but one definitely was the whole Gonzalez affair. With out the Cuban-Americans in Miami being pissed off, Harris and Jeb would not have made s difference because it wouldn't have been that close.