Elian Gonzalez: The most influencial person of the 21st century?

[gunslingingbird]

Around the time of the election, I thought the very same thing. That Janet Reno bitch sure made a lot of potential Democratic voters upset by taking the kid the way she did. I don't think it's too far-fetched to think that 538 people were upset enough over the whole incident to give their vote to someone other than the jackass representing the group of people who orchestrated the whole ordeal. Regardless of what any sore loser liberals might say about Bush "stealing" the election, the final difference was 537, which very well might have been Democratic votes had the whole affair not taken place.

Something which I found to be very ballsy and rather stupid on behalf of that Reno bitch is the fact that she tried running for, I think, Attorney General of the state of Florida after the whole Elian Gonzalez affair. Um, HELLO-O!!! Did she really think that the same people to whom she had just said "Fuck you!" to would actually elect her into office?

Not Albert Einstein, Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr...no.

Those would be the most influential people of the 20th century.

 

[meesterperfect]

Impact on Florida results? Yes, it's very possible it have cost Florida in the election. But it's one of numerous factors in my opinion.

Like what?

I thought it was a no brainer that the gonzalez thing cost gore 10's of thousands of votes in florida , therefore cost him the election.

But the thread has turned into a debate over that rather than a prediction of occurances had gore been elected 2008.
but thats all good
:hatsoff:

 

[Jagger69]

I hate American people.

Let me get this straight....you don't even KNOW me and yet you already have determined that you HATE me? That type of stereotypical prejudice represents about 90% of what is wrong with the world today. Hate the American government and what is stands for if you will but to arbitrarily hate the American people? That's really sad.

 

[Spunner]

Let me get this straight....you don't even KNOW me and yet you already have determined that you HATE me? That type of stereotypical prejudice represents about 90% of what is wrong with the world today. Hate the American government and what is stands for if you will but to arbitrarily hate the American people? That's really sad.

I hate the fact that most Americans will cater to the rest of the world rather than it's own people. I see it every single day.


And... you took that quote out of context.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I don't consider myself a sore loser for pointing out that it is widely accepted that Gore really won Florida.Just pointing that out as a rebutall that Elian had a big influence.Actually don't blame Bush and the pubs for what they did,politics is a hard ball game where only winning counts and you do whatever you can get away with to win.Those Cubans in Floirda were already overwhelming going to vote for Bush and the republicans also,they always do.Cost Gore 10s of thousands of votes,I doubt it.

 

[gunslingingbird]

I don't consider myself a sore loser for pointing out that it is widely accepted that Gore really won Florida.Just pointing that out as a rebutall that Elian had a big influence.Actually don't blame Bush and the pubs for what they did,politics is a hard ball game where only winning counts and you do whatever you can get away with to win.Those Cubans in Floirda were already overwhelming going to vote for Bush and the republicans also,they always do.Cost Gore 10s of thousands of votes,I doubt it.

I wasn't calling you specifically a sore loser. I'm just tired of hearing leftists bitch and whine about how Bush "stole" the election. The votes were counted and recounted ad nauseam that year, and each time they yielded the same results. But that's water under the bridge now. Good or bad, Bush has been in office for 8 years now. I think we should all focus on more relevant things than whether or not something happened 8 years ago.

Also, maybe not tens of thousands, but that whole incident did cause quite a few Cubans in Florida to vote for someone other than the Democrats. My mom sometimes watches a Spanish-speaking channel from Miami, and, around the time when this happened, they asked many people's opinions on whether or not it would influence their vote, and most of them said that it would. :hatsoff:

 

[Jagger69]

I hate the fact that most Americans will cater to the rest of the world rather than it's own people. I see it every single day.


And... you took that quote out of context.

Out of context? No....I isolated the statement. Here's your entire post:

What influential? Nobody talks about him. Nixon still has more influence that that kid. Oh, and it was right to deport him. It made me sick that all those Americans said that they would take him in, but wouldn't lift a damn finger to help any homeless American kid. I hate American people.

Now what else is there in that post would qualify your statement "I hate American people" in a different context other than the one that is portrayed by the statement itself? To say "I hate the fact that most Americans will cater to the rest of the world rather than it's own people. I see it every single day." has a totally different meaning than "I hate American people".

If that isn't what you really meant, that's fine. I'd suggest your choose your words more carefully next time.

 

[LBP 76]

I think it's an interesting thought M.P..

Though any number of minor reasons could have decided that election. There is no reason that this little boy wasen't THE one that pushed it over the edge.

 

[LBP 76]

Al Gore Defeats George Bush in 2000

Well, it didn't mention 9/11. But it sure leaves a big 'What if' question.

I hope those 500+ Florida Republicans feel stupid now.

 

[Jagger69]

I hope those 500+ Florida Republicans feel stupid now.

How about the 97,421 people who voted for Nader? Surely the vast majority of them were disenfranchised democrats. Adds a serious new twist to an old saying...."be careful who you vote for.....you might end up helping to elect somebody you really don't want".

I voted for Nader in 2000 (didn't make any difference here in the reddest damn state in the union!) but if I was a Florida resident I'd never forgive myself. Haven't done a protest vote since and never will for that exact reason.

 

[Friday on my mind]

How about the 97,421 people who voted for Nader? Surely the vast majority of them were disenfranchised democrats. Adds a serious new twist to an old saying...."be careful who you vote for.....you might end up helping to elect somebody you really don't want".

I voted for Nader in 2000 (didn't make any difference here in the reddest damn state in the union!) but if I was a Florida resident I'd never forgive myself. Haven't done a protest vote since and never will for that exact reason.

So maybe it's Ralph who was the most influential person of the 21st century? What if's and could of's and should of's are endless.:eek:

 

[meesterperfect]

I don't consider myself a sore loser for pointing out that it is widely accepted that Gore really won Florida.Just pointing that out as a rebutall that Elian had a big influence.Actually don't blame Bush and the pubs for what they did,politics is a hard ball game where only winning counts and you do whatever you can get away with to win.Those Cubans in Floirda were already overwhelming going to vote for Bush and the republicans also,they always do.Cost Gore 10s of thousands of votes,I doubt it.

ok, fair enough.
but how about 538?

And nader wouldn't have won regardless, the votes that went to him still didn't go to gore, and thats all that counts.

I think its very possible that had the gonzalez thing never happened and gore won that gore after 9/11 would have entered afghanistan but not iraq.
Iraq would have never happened.

I think the press would have turned on gore just like they did bush by the election 2004 (perhaps another attack would have triggered this) and a republican (not bush) would have been elected.
i think guilliani would have been in good form to win 2004., maybe mccain also.

Or gore would have been a 2 termer.
Leaving the election 2008 door open to Liebeman.
Obama and Hillary wouldn't have had the oppurtunity.

So much would be different at this point in time in US politics.

 

[Friday on my mind]

ok, fair enough.
but how about 538?

Yeah but how many non cubans or even some cubans maybe liked that he was returned to his father.You would think a lot of people thought the boy being reunited with the father was a good thing and appropriate,I sure did.I'm sure some felt the other way and thought he should be kept here.I don't think he had a big effect eithier way but without a very comprehensive study of people in Florida we can never really be sure.
It's not that Nader would have won,it's that the majority of those Nader votes probably would have been Gore votes if Ralph had not run.That's what jagger is saying ,that Nader was much bigger factor.

 

[Dawn]

Like what?

Votes for Nader? The 49 other states results? I hardly see this event to be THE factor who decided the result of the election. There is so many reasons why 500 floridians voted Republican instead of Democrat that it doesnt make any sense to say that any isolated factor (like the cuban vote) explains everything.

I thought it was a no brainer that the gonzalez thing cost gore 10's of thousands of votes in florida , therefore cost him the election.

If you are able to show me what i have said which denies that, i will :hatsoff: to you... That's one factor amongts others in my opinion - nothing more.

 

[LBP 76]

One little televised boy gets seperated from his father and millions freak out.

But faceless millions more children are sick or starving around the world as we speak and virtually no one gives a shit.

Humanity.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I vow not to make haste or belittle the hell out of anybodies thread. :bowdown::angels:

Oh, I'm not belittling his thread, just the way he kind of wrote it. Reminded me of If You Give A Mouse A Cookie.

what does kind of piss me off is you and the other one talking shit about some mouse right out of the gate.
I think the term is hijacking a thread. Its not cool.

Neither is not knowing my name... :nanner:

But, to put a bandage on all of this:

How can you decide whether or not Elian Gonzalez is the most influencial person of the 21st Century? With the info that you gave, yes, it does make him seem important, but you can do that with anyone. Bill Clinton certainly affected many and made them vote for Bush instead (Which Bush likewise did for McCain), and that could have easily lost Gore 538 votes.

 

[gunslingingbird]

I think a better question would be thus far into the 21st century, is Elian Gonzalez the most influential person? Of course he won't even be remembered 20 years from now, but, in the past 8 years, given Mr. P's point of view, one could make an argument for his importance thus far. :2 cents:

 

[Spunner]

I don't consider myself a sore loser for pointing out that it is widely accepted that Gore really won Florida.Just pointing that out as a rebutall that Elian had a big influence.Actually don't blame Bush and the pubs for what they did,politics is a hard ball game where only winning counts and you do whatever you can get away with to win.Those Cubans in Floirda were already overwhelming going to vote for Bush and the republicans also,they always do.Cost Gore 10s of thousands of votes,I doubt it.

But Gore did win the election. How can you win popular vote, but lose the election because some states are worth more than others?

And on a side note, who are the Obama disciples here? I would love to tell them that the antichrist is prophesized just how he has started. But, more than that, all politicians are the same. :rofl:

 

[Jagger69]

But Gore did win the election. How can you win popular vote, but lose the election because some states are worth more than others?

And on a side note, who are the Obama disciples here? I would love to tell them that the antichrist is prophesized just how he has started. But, more than that, all politicians are the same. :rofl:

Check any of the plethora of Obama threads on this forum and you'll get a real good idea real fast how the members here line up.

Antichrist? Might as well believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.

 

[meesterperfect]

bump bump bump...........any of you new (or old) cats ever consider this?
comments or just fuck it.
whats your opinion, we'd like to know