Forced Worship

[Member2019]

Understand you stated she was "weak"

You are the ONLY person who took that comment seriously.

Okay, point taken, I was wrong there, my apologies, I missed the joke.

I didn't take any offense to any of your statements. That is, until you chose to say this...

Understand you stated she was "weak."
You blame her mother, that means either two things ...

1. Your girlfriend was too weak to think for herself, or

2. You think she was too weak to think for herself, and didn't accept the fact that they may actually be her values too

My ex-girlfriend always has been and always will be a stronger person than you, no matter how "weak" you THINK she is.

Apparently you can't read what you said yourself about her mother and how your girlfriend couldn't think for herself.

But, you know what, maybe you're right!!! Because, making personal attacks towards someone that you don't even know is pretty fucking weak and we all know that it takes one to know one.

So you think this is all about a "personal attack"?
No, this is basically me saying it's about personal responsibility for what you decide and not blaming others.

Your girlfriend decided on her values.
Whether she was too weak to go against her mother or she proactively chose them is something that I don't think you've really thought through.

You want to call her strong, yet blame her mother for those values.
You don't want to look at your girlfriend as someone who made her own choice, you paint her as someone incapable of her choice.

You basically proved everything I said, and the crux of the problem in this country these days.
Understand that, along with you're not being able to maintain the context in my other points prior.

I would respond more thouroughly to that, but I respect this community too much to say things that would get me banned.
I apologize to the Mod's and to the other members on this board if that last comment was over the line.

Oh fuck it, it's obvious that you don't like her values, and you don't want to blame your girlfriend for them.
You want to blame everyone but your girlfriend for them, and you can't seem to accept that.

Why not just accept people for who they are without blaming others?
Why not hold people to their own, personal choices without excusing them so you can somehow accept them?

That is the continuing point, my use of "weak" was right from your own, prior statements.
I don't think you even remotely realize that.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Re: For the 3rd time!

I would respond more thouroughly to that, but I respect this community too much to say things that would get me banned.

I'm done.

 

[calpoon]

Re: Personal responsibility does not change ...

I've never drank, done drugs, given into sex I didn't want to have, etc... and "peer" (or even "parental") pressure, but I just don't understand the "excuse mechanism."

I'm sorry to call you out prof, but I didn't agree with this line. If you haven't done these things than how can you know the motivations of the people that do them? I hear the phrase "excuse," as in not one, being thrown around alot to describe people's actions. what is the point where you draw the line between an "excuse" and a rationalized explanation for an action? that's a rhetorical question because there is no simple answer, it is of course based on anyone's own subjective viewpoint and thier justification for thier own actions.

 

[numbknuts]

I got sent off to church so my parents could try and make my sister while I wasn't around the house. Lousy Presbyterians.

 

[Mrs Jolly]

yeah, for sure. I think that most people do. I think really through conditioning is the only way that most people become religious. I don't know anyone that was raised non-religiously (not to be confused with athiesm, which has a tendancy to drive kids into religion out of a sense of rebelling against thier parents more so than actual devotion) that later on in life chose to pursue religion and become an firm belieiver. On the other hand everyone that I know that is religious has parents that are religious and they were always told that.

myself, during my rebelous adolescence was anti-religious, mainly in part because of my experience in a religious world. I consider msyelf today to be spiritual, because I have studied it and I always study human behaviour and beliefs, but like everything else I don't prescribe to any organization and most especially don't accept a doctrine without question or criticism.

Really, I'd like to see some evidence of that. I can't see how it would work.................................every Sunday from the age of 4 to 18 I was forced to lie in on Sunday morning, wanting nothing more than to sneak out to early mass and have an illicit confession midweek..................

If you can keep the church from getting their hands on kids then the take up rate is pitiful. The notion that kids would willingly buy into religion because the parents are anti is almost non existent.

 

[Nester6]

I think it's perfectly acceptable if parents expose their children to religion, but I think it's wrong for parents to force their children to think a certain way.

My parents took me to church when I was younger and when I said I didn't want to go anymore, they didn't make me.

I was raised with religion as the center of my life. I've grown older,read and reasoned and decided religion is bull and brain washing.
My children are being raised with religion! I hope they choose not to be controlled by it,yet I felt it my duty as a parent to have them schooled about "the beauty of god).
A god for me now is someone like Jenna Haze fucking on screen.