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Gay Men Arrested in Louisianna for Sodomy Law

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
first up music is personal preference. to me metal is nothing but ugly noise. have you ever listened to Tupacs music? you hear the angst in his voice. you hear the life as a son of a crack addict growing up poor and fucked up. it is powerful music. when i get free is a great song as is "Hit em Up" which was directed at Biggie for betraying tupac seriously, if you gave it a chance with an open mind you would be really surprised how intense and powerful his lyrics are. most of rap is just one guy bragging over having more pussy and cars and houses than the other ones but tupac's music was raw.

Music? Please, 90% of it, is plagiarized...or as they like to call it, "sampled". They talk, over digitally created beats, they manipulate at a work station/sound board, and mix in the "sampled" melody, and talk about how horrible their lives were, which is why it's ok to kill cops, and deal crack. I wouldn't listen to that shit with someone else's ears. As far as the rock stars being heroin addicts....fuckin a right. No junk, no soul. That's when they were at their best.

Now, I know you feel the need to get that last word in, as you always have to, so go ahead, then we can stop with the derailment of this thread, and get back to why gay people do, or don't, or should, or should not have rights....depending on your point of view. Agreed.
 

Chopper3000

Stick with Freeones
Got to agree with you on this one revidffum. Rap, hip hop whatever people want to call it, is in essence 'a load of bollocks'.
 

Mariahxxx

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you are entitled to your opinions and to each his own. I respect your love of your music and wouldnt knock it just because it's not my cup of tea. I don't like country music but I won't shit on it and say it's bad when that is 100% a matter of personal opinion.

so enjoy your music, and Ill enjoy mine agree to disagree.
 

Mariahxxx

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What does this have to do with morality and family values?

georges was saying that only a man and woman defines being a family so I pointed out that more than half of those marriages fail, leaving kids with single parents, torn between the parents, being raised by baby sitters or worse, the TV or the streets. I cannot see how anyone can campaign on behalf of "hetero is the only family" when half fail. And again, look at the state of hetero-raised kids in the world today.
 

Chopper3000

Stick with Freeones
you are entitled to your opinions and to each his own. I respect your love of your music and wouldnt knock it just because it's not my cup of tea. I don't like country music but I won't shit on it and say it's bad when that is 100% a matter of personal opinion.

so enjoy your music, and Ill enjoy mine agree to disagree.

Exactly how it should be.
 

Mariahxxx

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Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
georges was saying that only a man and woman defines being a family so I pointed out that more than half of those marriages fail, leaving kids with single parents, torn between the parents, being raised by baby sitters or worse, the TV or the streets. I cannot see how anyone can campaign on behalf of "hetero is the only family" when half fail. And again, look at the state of hetero-raised kids in the world today.


But by the same token, MANY hetero relationships fail to raise children in the "proper" way, for lack of a better word, because in today's economy, both parents work. Most of the children I know, raised with "values", were raised by a parent in the home, while only one worked. That is becoming nearly impossible with today's economy. Children raised by gay parents will,or can turn out just as bad. The only thing you really can't pile on that, is that their sexual preferences, will affect the child, or that the child will end up gay. Two parents are better then one, but when both spend little time instilling THEIR values, and allow day care, or TV, or some other entity raise the child, it can just as easily turn out wrong.
 

Mariahxxx

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I agree 100% Im simply pointing out there the sexual orientation of the parents should have zero concern to people because heteros have no way they can claim success in raising kids as a gender-based demographic.

as well, 2 male households are one of the most sought after demographics in marketing because of their disposable income and higher net worth per capita. Money isn't always the answer but as you point out it sure helps.
 

bobjustbob

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Pardon me but don't these same laws apply to heterosexuals as well? I do recal that these laws have been used and brought to courts against hetrosexuals as well.
 

Mariahxxx

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all laws should apply to all people equally, as should all rights. but because of religious bigots they do not because those people fear that people who are different threaten their way of life, even though it does not. I would love for someone to give a valid reason how a gay couple being married or raising kids affects them. I get hammered with this very same challenge about religion which is imposed on me through laws.

So please, how does it affect YOU?
 

georges

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good god georges. SO WHAT and that means what exactly? Eric Clapton was a heroine and cocaine addict as were 80% of the rock acts of the 70s and 80s.

gangs are products of an environment. they get kids to join because they have nothing else in life. no family no hope no nothing. it is becoming VERY clear that you are a racist and I feel sorry for you. You are sincerely naive and uninformed as to the plight of the poor and less fortunate. in other words a republican

To be honest, I don't give a shit about clapton . The gang initiate these kids to deal drugs, live the rogue and outlaw scummy life and you call me a racist for depicting and describing who the scum is, come on stop being so sensitive. I am not naive and very far to be uninformed my dear, check who rots in jails and for what kind of felonies and you will find the answer by your own . I have heard that socialism is the equal distribution of misery and that is right. Antiwhite racism what do you do about it? You ignore it or what? For your information, I always give money to the red cross every year and old clothes to associations of poor people, so don't portray me for what I am not. I am maybe a conservative but I am not a cheapskate even though I am not a rich citizen.
 
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georges

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Pardon me but don't these same laws apply to heterosexuals as well? I do recal that these laws have been used and brought to courts against heterosexuals as well.

Indeed indeed. But according to Mariah, heterosexuals have just the right to shut up and to be hammered by homosexuals against them in court.
 

georges

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all laws should apply to all people equally, as should all rights. but because of religious bigots they do not because those people fear that people who are different threaten their way of life, even though it does not. I would love for someone to give a valid reason how a gay couple being married or raising kids affects them. I get hammered with this very same challenge about religion which is imposed on me through laws.

So please, how does it affect YOU?

You said you have no religion, I respect that. People who have a religion have beliefs and may disagree with your ideals. Fear isn't the right term but perhaps distrust against the degradation of the traditional family structure is what people who are more or less religious worry about. Are you sure that a child raised by gays is not going to subject of mockery or humiliation through his whole youth? Are you sure that a child raised by gays will not be a criminal and without morals? The child will certainly be ashamed to say that his parents are either fags or dykes. The divorce rate is alarming but perhaps marrying too young is not the right thing perhaps to live in partnership during some years and then marry is the solution. Several questions and disagreements can be raised with several answers from this never ending debate. We will always agree to disagree.
 

Mariahxxx

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how traditional is it georges when more than half are failures and kids are running loose because they dont have 2 parents? How can hetero couples claim ownership of something that on average doesn't succeed? Why do you get special rights because of the sex of person you sleep with? I'm sure you being a small government and self-reliance type of fellow can see the irony if dictating such personal avenues in individual's lives, can't you?

many christians believe living together prior to marriage is a sin so maybe you christians should start telling the other christians to stop being so picky? hmmm? and a child being mocked for being raised by gays would only happen because of bigots like YOU who make it a bad thing in society. I recently sat behind a gay couple who had a 9 or 10 year old boy. He was very polite and was reading a book and asking some very intelligent questions of one of his parents. He was so well behaved and absolutely normal. Whereas, 2 rows up there was a kid about his age who was loud and wouldn't sit still and was a total pain in the ass sitting with his mom and his dad.

good parenting can be done by ANYONE, as can shitty parenting. if a kid grows up in a good home with 2 parents of the same sex who teach him to be respectful and behaved and polite is that worse than a mom and dad who ignore their kid and teach them nothing or hand them over to a nanny? You obviously think so.
 

georges

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how traditional is it georges when more than half are failures and kids are running loose because they dont have 2 parents? How can hetero couples claim ownership of something that on average doesn't succeed? Why do you get special rights because of the sex of person you sleep with? I'm sure you being a small government and self-reliance type of fellow can see the irony if dictating such personal avenues in individual's lives, can't you?

many christians believe living together prior to marriage is a sin so maybe you christians should start telling the other christians to stop being so picky? hmmm? and a child being mocked for being raised by gays would only happen because of bigots like YOU who make it a bad thing in society. I recently sat behind a gay couple who had a 9 or 10 year old boy. He was very polite and was reading a book and asking some very intelligent questions of one of his parents. He was so well behaved and absolutely normal. Whereas, 2 rows up there was a kid about his age who was loud and wouldn't sit still and was a total pain in the ass sitting with his mom and his dad.

good parenting can be done by ANYONE, as can shitty parenting. if a kid grows up in a good home with 2 parents of the same sex who teach him to be respectful and behaved and polite is that worse than a mom and dad who ignore their kid and teach them nothing or hand them over to a nanny? You obviously think so.

You raise good points :yesyes: I think that too young parents are not always evaluating the risks of what implies to have a kid as well as educate him. Not all hetero couples are the same. The hetero couples that fails the most is the one where the husband is an alcoholic or the mother a junkie or where the husband beats the wife and the child is witness of this or where the child is dictating his behavior to his parents. Also the social background where the parents come from has a lot of impact on the kid education. And you think a larger government à la Obama being too intrusive is better?

I am an orthodox for your information and I don't think that living together prior to marriage is a sin. In fact for me, it is a wiser and reasoned choice because it will help you to see whether it is possible or not to be all your life with this person and found a family. I personally have never seen a kid educated by gays.

I am absolutely for the civil union of gays. Regarding gays being parents, I would like to see statistics proving me that a child coming from a gay family is better educated than one coming from a hetero family but not based on two examples
 
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Mariahxxx

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why does the gay couple have to be better? cant they be just as good? it can't get much worse can it?

I guarantee you have seen a kid educated by gays, you just didn't know it.
 

Mayhem

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Regarding gays being parents, I would like to see statistics proving me that a child coming from a gay family is better educated than one coming from a hetero family but not based on two examples

http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/gay-parents-as-good-as-straight-ones/

When the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage last month, Justice Antonin Scalia claimed that experts debate whether same-sex parents are bad for children.

“There’s considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences are of raising a child in a…single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not,” Scalia declared.

Benjamin Siegel says Scalia’s contention is—not to get too technical—baloney.

Siegel, a School of Medicine professor of pediatrics, coauthored a report, published by the American Academy of Pediatrics the week before the court case, arguing that three decades of research concur that kids of gay parents are doing just fine.

“Many studies have demonstrated that children’s well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents’ sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents,” Siegel writes with coauthor Ellen Perrin, a Tufts University professor of pediatrics and director of developmental and behavioral pediatrics.

In an interview with BU Today, Siegel acknowledges the limits of all this research: none of the studies has been a randomized, controlled trial—the Holy Grail of scientific investigation—and all studies of gay parenting are necessarily small, since there aren’t many gay parents. The report cites estimates that gay couples and single parents are raising almost two million American children.

Those caveats notwithstanding, “the preponderance of evidence” says Scalia’s fears are groundless, Siegel says. Does he expect the report to influence either the high court or state legislatures debating gay marriage and adoption? “That’s my hope,” he says, “and I must say, it’s not a political hope. It’s a scientific hope.…That it will put an end to questioning that people who are homosexual cannot raise children or be foster or adoptive parents.”

Siegel says in the Washington Post, one of several major media that picked up his report, that “we’re never going to get the perfect science, but what you have right now is good-enough science. The data we have right now are good enough to know what’s good for kids.”

The best study so far, Siegel tells BU Today, is the National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, begun in 1986. The study has followed 154 lesbian mothers and recently checked in on 78 adolescent children, comparing the mothers’ and kids’ self-reported status against national standardized samples.

The lesbian mothers’ reports of their children “indicated that they had high levels of social, school/academic, and total competence and fewer social problems, rule-breaking, and aggressive and externalizing behavior compared with their age-matched counterparts,” Siegel and Perrin write. If you might expect parents to say that, consider their kids’ testimony: “The self-reported quality of life of the adolescents in this sample was similar to that reported by a comparable sample of adolescents with heterosexual parents.”

Siegel and Perrin’s report also cites three studies done in the United States and Europe—two involving lesbian mothers and the third one involving men and women whose adult children reported they’d had a parent involved in a same-sex relationship. Those studies similarly found no difference in outcomes for the children as compared with children of heterosexual parents.

A dissenting Australian study, Siegel and Perrin write, interviewed teachers of 58 children who’d been raised variously by married heterosexuals, unmarried heterosexuals living together, and gay parents living together. Even that study found mixed results (the children of gay parents did more poorly in language and math, but better in social studies and attitudes toward learning, for example). Moreover, most children in the study wound up with gay parents because their straight birth parents had divorced, “potentially adding to the children’s stress,” Siegel and Perrin write. And the Australian researchers suggested the gay couples’ children “were severely stigmatized in their schools and communities,” adding stress.

Siegel cites another antigay parenting study by a University of Texas researcher that has also been criticized for its methodology. The researcher compared children in happy heterosexual marriages with children whose parents divorced after a gay affair. The researcher has admitted that his scientific work and Catholic faith are inseparable; Catholic teaching denounces homosexual acts as sinful.

A university investigation cleared the researcher of scientific misconduct while sidestepping the question of flawed methods, leaving it “to debates that are currently under way in the academy.”

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/18/peds.2013-0377

From the American Academy of Pediatrics
Technical Report

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

Ellen C. Perrin, MD, MA,
Benjamin S. Siegel, MD,
the COMMITTEE ON PSYCHOSOCIAL ASPECTS OF CHILD AND FAMILY HEALTH


Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/wor...rents_finds_the_kids_are_more_than_all_right/

World’s largest study on gay parents finds the kids are more than all right

According to the report, the children of gay parents are doing equally well or better than the national average

According to preliminary findings from the world’s largest study on the issue, the children of gay parents are doing equally well or better than the children of straight parents on a number of key health and well-being indicators. (Not that it’s a competition or anything!)

Researchers at Melbourne University in Australia collected data on 500 children across the country and found that kids growing up in gay and straight families matched pretty equally when it came to self-esteem, emotional well-being and the amount of time they spent with parents; but when it came to overall health and family cohesion, the children of gay parents did even better than the national average.

Lead researcher Dr Simon Crouch attributed the findings to gay families fostering open communication as they endure challenges together, which helps children become more resilient. “Because of the situation that same-sex families find themselves in, they are generally more willing to communicate and approach the issues that any child may face at school, like teasing or bullying,” he said.

Jeezus Tapdancing Christ, georges. I Googled "Gay Parenting" and this and a ton more popped right up. Quit being an insufferable doofus about this and realize that you're on the wrong side of history. :facepalm:
 
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