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Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooting

Ulysses31

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Re: Oh my. Whatever was I thinking???!!!

Well, if I got you wrong, then I apologize, MP. I've been eating lotsa candy and left-over duck and drinking small sips from "the recipe" jar all day... quite similar to what the Baldwin sisters had on The Waltons, doncha know. Yeah, so maybe I'm not seeing things straight tonight. Then again, maybe I've never seen things so clearly. Hmm, which is it, I wonder? :dunno:

But I know one thing... if we don't do something, this place is gonna be just like Zimbabwe!!! A wise man once said that... and I just know that it's true. :elaugh:

Yeah, I'm drunk, MP. But I ain't that drunk! Deposit 50 cents and try again, old buddy. ;)


Do you ever get drunk enough to ever make a spelling mistake?
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Re: Oh my. Whatever was I thinking???!!!

Well, if I got you wrong, then I apologize, MP. I've been eating lotsa candy and left-over duck and drinking small sips from "the recipe" jar all day... quite similar to what the Baldwin sisters had on The Waltons, doncha know. Yeah, so maybe I'm not seeing things straight tonight. Then again, maybe I've never seen things so clearly. Hmm, which is it, I wonder? :dunno:

But I know one thing... if we don't do something, this place is gonna be just like Zimbabwe!!! A wise man once said that... and I just know that it's true. :elaugh:

Yeah, I'm drunk, MP. But I ain't that drunk! Deposit 50 cents and try again, old buddy. ;)

thats good because you're not making sense.
if youre gonna respond to my posts at least address them instead of trying to mock and doing a bad job at it to boot.

as far as what i once said about zimbabwe that was regarding the economy and the course it is taking unless something changes big time, which has nothing to do with this thread.

all this talk about this case when its really a very simple legal matter.

white knew the guy was coming.(prior knowledge)
white waited for him to arrive gun in hand ( premeditation)
when he arrived white shot him dead. (murder)

that is premeditated murder.

the court decided to try him on a lesser charge.
he was found guilty.
then he was set free by a politician for political reasons.

and they all lived happily ever after (except for the dead kid and his family).
 

z9102

Where did everyone go?
Re: Oh my. Whatever was I thinking???!!!

all this talk about this case when its really a very simple legal matter.

Yes it is a simple legal matter.

The kids went to White's home to threaten and possibly attack his son. And White protected himself and his son on his own property with lethal force.

It's quite legal and the governor recognized that.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

ok there quick draw.
and the governor didnt recognize shit, he pardoned for votes lets be real.
but you know who did recognize a crime?
the police, the prosecuter, the judge and the jury.
what good is having a legal system if one politician can just chuck the verdict out the window based on whatever reasons he has?

p.s. the fact that it was on his property is not relevant in this case.
i mean if it happened in the parking lot of best buy would it be any different.

you have the right to protect yourself if you or someone else is in reasonable imminent danger.
you dont have the right to shoot an unarmed person in the face for giving you shit, especially when there were other options like not going outside, calling the police, pressing charges, you know... what normal people do.

I am very pro gun rights.
I dont like these cases because this kind of stuff is exactly what the democrat politicians use as ammo when they are forever and little by little taking away the right of lawful citizens from owning a firearm

another thing regarding the illegality of whites actions.
based on this guys defense, and many of your defense, how hard would it be to invite someone to your house and when they arrive blow there head off or sink a knife in their heart?

just tell the cops he called you and threatened you and youre home free(literally).
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Re: Oh my. Whatever was I thinking???!!!

Do you ever get drunk enough to ever make a spelling mistake?

Safari spellcheck, baby. And if one gets by me and I find it during my "proofread"... that bad boy gets fixed quick! :nanner: Now that I'm drinking, I'm about half OCD/paranoid about my spelling so each post is taking a pretty long time. :D

But yeah, my mother was a teacher, several of my aunts were teachers, my ex was a teacher and my current is a teacher (sorta/kinda). So I am anal about spelling and whatnot. The abuse and badgering that I suffered during my younger years is just :crying:... too much to speak of right now. Thank goodness Dad taught me how to balance the pushes and pulls of life with a short glass of "that which cures that which ails ya". :hatsoff:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Re: Oh my. Whatever was I thinking???!!!

thats good because you're not making sense.
if youre gonna respond to my posts at least address them instead of trying to mock and doing a bad job at it to boot.

Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I thought (considering the circumstances) I did a pretty decent job of mocking you. Come on now, gimme an 8/10. :D

as far as what i once said about zimbabwe that was regarding the economy and the course it is taking unless something changes big time, which has nothing to do with this thread.

Ah, I see. :)

all this talk about this case when its really a very simple legal matter.

Uh oh! See, this is prolly gonna lead to more mocking. Just giving you a heads-up.


white knew the guy was coming.(prior knowledge)
white waited for him to arrive gun in hand ( premeditation)
when he arrived white shot him dead. (murder)

that is premeditated murder.

I'm guessing that you never took the LSAT's, huh? It's OK. I didn't either. But that has got to be the most LIBERAL application of the definition of premeditated murder that I have ever seen. Even in liberal as hell New Yawk, you're missing one key ingredient, my man: malice aforethought.


Now even though the New Yawk way of thinking is totally screwy vs. my upbringing and way of thinking, I will say that in my state, if you're dumb enough to call me up and tell me you're going to do me harm me.... and then show up at my house to do the deed :facepalm: While the officer is drawing the chalk line around your lifeless corpse, he's not going to ask me why I didn't hide under my bed. He's going to mutter to his partner, "Now this is one silly-ass sumbitch, right here. Ask the big guy with the AK how many shots he fired and let's bag & tag this dumbass, so I can get home to the wife & kids when our shift is over."

And yes, at least here, it DOES matter whether or not you're in your property, on your property or in a public place. As you move outside the dwelling, your rights and options become fewer and fewer. But at least John White was on his own property and not in the middle of the street or a parking lot. Had that been the case, again, like shooting someone in the back, my support for him would probably disappear. Now that's based on how things are in my state and my locality. In NYC, who knows. Sounds like there and in Joysey, you're supposed to hide under the bed and tell thugs and criminals that you're sorry for resisting or putting up a fight.


the court decided to try him on a lesser charge.

The D.A./"the people" (not the court) files the charges in New York and it was never 1st degree murder. It was originally 2nd degree murder. Then it was reduced to manslaughter because there (clearly) wasn't enough evidence to convict him of that bogus charge.

he was found guilty.

Agreed.


then he was set free by a politician for political reasons.

A conclusion reached by you - hardly a fact. I could just as easily conclude that he was convicted for political reasons too! As I was (I believe) the first person to post about this story here when I originally heard about it way back when, I believed that the man (White) should have never spent the first night in jail. IMO, with this, Governor Paterson made one of the few good decisions of his entire term.


and they all lived happily ever after (except for the dead kid and his family).

No, in truth, I'd say that neither family will ever get over this. I have a lot of cops and military people in my family. A few of them have taken lives. And though each was justified in what he had to do, I can't think of a single one who ever got over having to take another human's life.

But hey, neither Jesse J@mes' nor John Dillinger's parents ever got over their deaths either. I guess it's part of being a parent that you never get over or completely come to terms with your kid's death... even if he was a royal fuckup that got what was coming to him.


OK, let's give this the old Rey C. Litmus Test one more time:

"According to police statements and testimony during the trial, Aaron (John White's son) was asked to leave a party in a nearby town by Cicciaro and his friends because of the e-mail and he complied. The gang of white youth, however, reportedly decided to go to the Black family’s Miller Place home."

Well, there ya go! The Rey C. Litmus Test finds that extreme and chronic Dumbassity, as much as the .32 caliber slug, was the cause of death. Throughout human history, Dumbassity has been the root cause of more violent deaths than anything else. Don't believe me? It's a "fact". Look it up.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

you're lame attempts at being a wise ass dont bother me or offend me because they make no sense, arent relevant to what i said and arent funny or even witty.
but i know to you they are.

killing is the last option.
this guy made it the first.

i think he knew exactly what he was gonna do the moment he decided to get his illegal pistol.
but even if he didnt he still chose to kill in defense of WORDS rather than opt for the many other options he had.
I believe he should be punished for it. ( and he only got "up to four years" anyway)


you dont.

over!
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
OK, here's a new one!

And in my continued spreading of joy and the Christmas spirit, I've got another one for youse guys & gals:


When I was working near Richmond years ago, a handicapped store owner was confronted by a robber (unarmed, as best I recall). The store owner instantly pulled a gun and proceeded to light the guy up when he demanded money. I think he used a .25 - could have been another Beretta... don't remember and not important, outside of the irony. Anyway, he emptied the magazine in this robber! But a .25 is hardly an effective round for much of anything. So the guy wasn't really that bad off and though he went down, he was trying to crawl out the door. At which point, the store owner popped in another magazine and promptly finished him off. He shot him in the back, in the front, in the sides, top to bottom... I doubt there was more than a 10 inch patch on the guy that didn't have a hole in it.

Now the average person (not in a wheelchair) probably couldn't have gotten away with that act. But the store owner did because he was in a wheelchair. The Commonwealth's Attorney decided that the store owner believed (in his desperate, fearful state of mind) that the robber was likely crawling for the door to retrieve a weapon from his car, call in some of his unseen pals or whatever. And if that had been the case, the store owner would/could have pretty much been a sitting duck (almost literally). It took longer than it should have, IMO, but I don't believe ANY charges were filed in that case. But I, and many other people in my NRA chapter and hunting club, wrote letters of support for that store owner. Why? Because as I have said over & over, I was taught from a very early age to believe that a man has an inalienable right to "quiet enjoyment of his property". And not as some here suggest, just inside his home, but anywhere and everywhere about that property. And the way I see it, anyone who would willingly and violently challenge that belief must have a hell of a lot more faith in my love for mankind than I am aware of having within myself. Only someone (truly) insane would want to kill someone. But I value the life of me and mine more than I do anyone else's. And if it gets to the point where it's kind of iffy, well... since you were the one that made the decision to fuck with me to begin with, if I do make a mistake - please tell God that I'm sorry about that... being that you'd see Him sooner than I would. Thanks! :wave:

And I have no idea what happened to the store owner in Richmond. But if either he or John White ever need anything, I'd be more than happy to do whatever I could for either or both of them.

But still, how do you folks stand on this one? Should the store owner in the wheelchair have just given him the money and hoped for the best - I mean, the guy didn't have a gun! Or was it OK that he shot him just enough to get him down, but he didn't have to reload and polish him off? Or do you feel (pretty much as I did and still do), if he hadn't been in there trying to rob a hard working man in a wheelchair in the first place, this imbecile wouldn't have gotten shot to begin with! IMO, yet another Rey C. Litmus Test/True Life example of chronic Dumbassity being the root cause of another silly fuck taking a dirt nap! I give the man in the chair the (extreme) benefit of the doubt: the perp could have been going for a weapon or backup - so best to finish the dirty deed. But now, some of our more liberal members like Scott and MeesterPerfecto might feel differently. Hey, this robber dude probably had a bad childhood and stuff! I bet his daddy never told him he loved him or threw a baseball to him. Plus, by having a gun and TWO magazines, hell, that's like premeditated murder! Why did he have a second magazine, huh??? Cause he intended on doing some KILLING, maybe?! And on top of all that, I can't say for sure how "legal" that .25 Beretta was! I was near that area and I remember that I had to get a permit to carry concealed in that jurisdiction (this was before the statewide CC became easy to get). So hey, that guy in the wheelchair may have had an *gasp* illegal weapon!!! :eek:

And sorry, I can't recall the race of the various players in this incident. If that's important to you, then you might go to the Richmond Times Dispatch website and find it in the archives from the early 90's. :dunno:
 

TheOrangeCat

AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

To anyone who thinks it's OK to wait for someone with a gun, rather than call the cops and do anything they can do avoid shooting someone, no matter WHAT the provocation, there is only one answer to you:

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Bloodshot Scott

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

To anyone who thinks it's OK to wait for someone with a gun, rather than call the cops and do anything they can do avoid shooting someone, no matter WHAT the provocation, there is only one answer to you:

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Oh brother...another Canuck running on about AMERICAN gun laws. :rolleyes:
 

TheOrangeCat

AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

Oh brother...another Canuck running on about AMERICAN gun laws. :rolleyes:

Correction, Brother Bloodshot: my point is wider than your little country. My point is that running into an (armed) confrontation NOT having exhausted all avenues for avoiding said conflict is wrong.

See Morgan again for further correction. :)

And I'm not Canadian.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

Correction, Brother Bloodshot: my point is wider than your little country. My point is that running into an (armed) confrontation NOT having exhausted all avenues for avoiding said conflict is wrong.

Nuhuh. Have you ever seen Star Wars?
 

TheOrangeCat

AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

Nuhuh. Have you ever seen Star Wars?

There can never be enough Star Wars references, no matter the thread topic.



:tinhat: (i have no idea what this smiley is for, but I like it)
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

New York is messed up. Paterson and Bloomberg are both raving idiots.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

Back to blowing away whitey with a .32 Baretta .....

Now that you mention it, maybe John White was in the wrong.



























I mean, what sort of fool would go outside to confront an angry mob with a .32 Beretta... when he had a fully functioning shotgun in the house?! New Yorkers. New Yorkers. When will they ever learn?! :facepalm: :D
 

LaLiLuLeLohan

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
Re: Good job, Governor Paterson! NY governor commutes prison sentence in fatal shooti

"It's a blessed day, it truly is," White told CNN affiliate WPIX. "I want to thank my savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. I also want to thank the governor for making this happen today."

Wow, Jesus is a really shitty Lord and Savior. He leaves justice in the hands of some blind dude who was never even elected? And then he waits for-fucking-ever to get shit done?? I have a drunken uncle who seems more competent than this Jesus fellow.

Commuted sentence. Heh. So this guy now can't get a job and can no longer buy a gun to defend himself. He's a felon. Still a felon thanks to Paterson's lack on conviction...
 
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