It's hard to evaluate coaches since the criteria is almost completely subjective unlike with players. A greatest of all time coach has to do something to make it in my criteria, whether it's being an Xs and Os master tactician, being able to develop talent to a level that wouldn't normally be possible, or being a expert talent evaluator and scout who finds the best people available to him, he has to help his team win well above and beyond what some other coach would have if the team had to go out and get whoever was available and he has to do it over a long period of time. Joe Gibbs is way too high on the list. Casey Stengel is higher than he should be also. Vince Lombardi is too high. I never got the praise heaped on him when there are a good handful of NFL coaches that were better than him. Bill Walsh is too low. John McGraw is too low. Phil Jackson is good and deserves to be on the list high, but being #4 is more than he deserves. Joe Torre shouldn't even make the list. He’s the ultimate example of being at the right place at the right time to do a job most coaches could have done just as well.
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Greatest Coaches of All Time
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ThatRedWing
MasterBlaster
All I'm going to say is Tom Landry #18. WTF? He designed the most prevalent defense since the 50's in the 4-3 scheme. Then he designed an offense to pick it apart. Also Belichick ahead of Bill Walsh is fucking insane.
gunslingingbird
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I was just about to bitch about that. Also, is Bellichick really higher than Parcells? :wtf:
Also, where the fuck is Bill Cowher?
it is so subjective. I think many college coaches are considered great but have had the best talent to coach. why the best talent? They had great programs. it is a circle I haven't figured out yet. But Joe Gibbs behind Chuck Noll? Noll won a bunch with a team we know was involved in steroids and Noll won with essentially the same group of players. Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different QBs
it is so subjective. I think many college coaches are considered great but have had the best talent to coach. why the best talent? They had great programs. it is a circle I haven't figured out yet. But Joe Gibbs behind Chuck Noll? Noll won a bunch with a team we know was involved in steroids and Noll won with essentially the same group of players. Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different QBs
STDiva
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
If you move Wooden to #2, who takes top spot?
I don't think Popovich should be on the list. He's a David Robinson injury away from being just another coach.
bodie54
If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
I think part of the problem with evaluating coaches is that a lot of people just look at the number of championships won and base it off of that, and in many ways that's just a flawed way of doing it, even if it is one of if not the only non-subjective measure to go by.
I hate to say it but Bellichick probably deserves to be really high, especially considering the amount of coordinators that have left him and failed miserably. It's hard to account for the Patriots success without thinking he's one of the main reasons for it. Having a great front office helps though. (And so does stumbling ass backwards on future hall of fame quarterback you picked up in the 6th round of the draft.) Of course no great coach ever got great without great players at some point.
I never saw Gibbs as any type of real innovator or talent evaluator at the level of some of the other people. He's known for developing 2 TE sets, as almost a direct response to defend against Lawrence Taylor, and for having big offensive lines where he called more max protection called because of his protect the quarterback philosophy. I think he was good but I would put him behind Walsh, Bellichick, Landry, and probably even Parcells. When he came back he seemed out of his element and wasn’t able to adapt. On the other hand. I don’t think he’s worse than Lombardi or Halas who are too high. I'm not sure about Chuck Noll. A lot of people probably won’t agree but I think the case could be made that Walsh is probably the best NFL coach even above Shula.
It could be argued that Jimmy Johnson belongs on the list.
I personally don’t like Sparky Anderson. He was always somebody put in favorable situations also, and somebody that so blatantly disregarded baseball sabermetrics when the evidence of it was brought about can only be so good in my opinion. I have to wonder if Cincinnati’s Big Red Machine won despite him and not because of him. Tony La Russa is borderline for me. He could do some smart things in some instances, but it seemed just as often through his career he had the ability to go further than his own understanding and outsmart himself enough to help the competition.
I hate to say it but Bellichick probably deserves to be really high, especially considering the amount of coordinators that have left him and failed miserably. It's hard to account for the Patriots success without thinking he's one of the main reasons for it. Having a great front office helps though. (And so does stumbling ass backwards on future hall of fame quarterback you picked up in the 6th round of the draft.) Of course no great coach ever got great without great players at some point.
I never saw Gibbs as any type of real innovator or talent evaluator at the level of some of the other people. He's known for developing 2 TE sets, as almost a direct response to defend against Lawrence Taylor, and for having big offensive lines where he called more max protection called because of his protect the quarterback philosophy. I think he was good but I would put him behind Walsh, Bellichick, Landry, and probably even Parcells. When he came back he seemed out of his element and wasn’t able to adapt. On the other hand. I don’t think he’s worse than Lombardi or Halas who are too high. I'm not sure about Chuck Noll. A lot of people probably won’t agree but I think the case could be made that Walsh is probably the best NFL coach even above Shula.
It could be argued that Jimmy Johnson belongs on the list.
I personally don’t like Sparky Anderson. He was always somebody put in favorable situations also, and somebody that so blatantly disregarded baseball sabermetrics when the evidence of it was brought about can only be so good in my opinion. I have to wonder if Cincinnati’s Big Red Machine won despite him and not because of him. Tony La Russa is borderline for me. He could do some smart things in some instances, but it seemed just as often through his career he had the ability to go further than his own understanding and outsmart himself enough to help the competition.
Neutron66
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Belichick probably outranks the others due to the fact he's won as many Championships as them but he's still active and has a good chance to win more.
He also did what he did in the age of free-agency, which many people predicted would make dynasties impossible.
And...don't forget he was a big part of Parcells success as well.
He also did what he did in the age of free-agency, which many people predicted would make dynasties impossible.
And...don't forget he was a big part of Parcells success as well.
Brian Clough and Peter Taylor - Derby County and Nottingham Forest
Why?
Well they took both these fairly unsuccessful football clubs who hadn't won much in their entire histories to go and win league titles... and Forest to win the European Cup twice.
Why?
Well they took both these fairly unsuccessful football clubs who hadn't won much in their entire histories to go and win league titles... and Forest to win the European Cup twice.
Baill Inneraora
I changed my middle-name to Freeones
To Low:
• Herb Brooks
• Paul Brown
• Bobby Knight
• Bill Walsh
Too High:
• Bear Bryant
• Bill Belichick
• Tom Osborne
• Phil Jackson
• Herb Brooks
• Paul Brown
• Bobby Knight
• Bill Walsh
Too High:
• Bear Bryant
• Bill Belichick
• Tom Osborne
• Phil Jackson
habo9
Banned
Yes Brian Clough how could I forget about him :thumbsup:
