I'm Thinking of Voting Republican

[Will E Worm]

We need non-reptilian candidates. Ron Paul(right) and Dennis Kucinich(left) were two of the more honest politicians out there. When they ran for President they end up pulling up the rear. Bad behavior and effective deception is rewarded too much in politics here. You are right for supporting third party but Johan also had a point about it also. I hope you win out and I bet Johan hopes things change too. The left must be disappointed in Obama for being Bush-lite. Almost sounds like a beer summit for the sake of appearances.

So Xenophobic making the Irishman drink Odoul's. Haven't we grown past that in America?

I am correct. People need to start looking elsewhere for candidates.

If this doesn't work, then civil war is the only other option.

 

[Lee Van Queef]

I am correct. People need to start looking elsewhere for candidates.

Right again, sir.

If this doesn't work, then civil war is the only other option.

I hope not. If that were the case America would love Smith & Wesson more than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I'll lie in wait with sorcery as tentacles are better than scopes.

 

[Johan]

I don't live in France so I didn't know. If you could choose between Hollande, Le Pen, and Sarkozy who would be best? Completely off the record.

Tough question. 2 years ago I would have said Hollande. But now that i've seen what he's capable of as President, I wouldprobably choose Sarkozy.
Many people here think Hollande will propbably not run for a second mandate, 'cause he's approval rating is way too low (bout 15%), that the socialist candidate will probably be Manuel Valls, currently Prime Minister and who's a bit less left than Hollande.
And there are also chances that Sarkozy will not run, that instead it's gonna be Alain Juppé.
Both would make better candidates than Hollande ans Sarkozy

Johan, do you find yourself more as a moderate? Whether left or right, moderate is moderate and moderates are reasonable. I don't care for Sarah Palin any more than Al Sharpton. Don't both appeal to the lowest common denominator of both sides? Anyone who has read a book other than The Bible might make a better decision either way.

I do consider myself as a moderate. And, i've said it multiple times, I consider myself a centrist (even though i'm leaning a little bit more towards center-left than center-right).

The same lie to keep people voting for people who do nothing for the people.

In the 2012 presidential, the 6 candiddates other than Obama and Romney got only 2% of the votes. None of them got more than 0.99%.
Wether your like it or not these are wasted votes. Because the system is rigged by the Resp and the Dems. And there's 0 chances that it would get better in the future, unless you change the system. Because elections are currently decided by money (about 90% of the time, the winner is the one who get the most money, wether he's Democrat or Republican). Donors will only give their money to candidate that can win, so they won't give it to other 3rd parties candidates.

 

[Lee Van Queef]

I might be center-right but still center. I think the center is a good place to be because you tend to consider both sides even if you lean one way.

Again, I don't live in France. As an American I hope the failure of Hollande does not bring Marine Le Pen. That was my biggest worry as an outsider. The way you guys tax is your business. Either way, as an American ally I wish you well.

After W Bush and Obama many people wish Bill Clinton would come back. I would vote for him over W Bush or Obama if given the chance.

 

[tvstrip]

As we have all seen, time and time again, it seems to make very little difference from which of the two parties a politician comes from.

Don't forget Obama's Drone Program that would make any hawkish Republican blush!
But really, it's a good point that Conservative policies go through under a Democrat President and Vice-versa, although I think the fact that Midterm elections traditionally go opposite the Presidential election results is at least partially responsible for this.

Unlike Canada, where winning a majority government allows you to rule with an iron fist

Or Japan, where you have Multi-decade conservative rule.

 

[Jagger69]

Hi Bozo Mod Georges!

What do these three have to do with France?

Yeah, yeah.

Loser in France concern about American politics :wave:

Unless you are a John Burke Society card member in France.

Of course you mean the John Birch Society but even more likely a KKK member. Anyone know if they have a chapter in France? :dunno:

 

[Rattrap]

With the current election system, any vote other than Republican or Democrat is wasted vote.
It is sad but it's the harsh reality of US politics

I couldn't disagree with this more vehemently. I would go so far as to argue the opposite: a vote for R/D is a wasted vote. More than wasted, it's an explicit condonement of party actions (I'm just going to lump them together, because, well, one can).

Staying home isn't much better; this is just condoning party actions implicitly.

A vote for someone else, however - that says you aren't happy. And that someone else doesn't need to win to change things - the game isn't zero sum. With even minimal support - say, to take part in televised debates - a third-party candidate has the opportunity to shift the debate and whichever R/D ends up winning in the end may take on a piece of that platform for those voters' support.

The 'vote for X instead of R is a vote for D' and its reverse as well as the 'vote for X is just a wasted vote' arguments are not only logically false, they're traps: ones that the party happily capitalizes on.

Real change in our government will only happen when real changes in our votes happen. That, or catastrophic government meltdown/revolution. But if that happens in a democracy or representative republic, then the failure really, truly, lies with 'We the People'.

 

[Supafly]

Here is another reason to vote the Democfrats out in Chicago next chance:

Regarding if it is a good idea to vote for independants - I think it IS a good idea, but just voting independant isn't going to cut it fast enough. Stand up and join an independant party or organisation to multiply your actions.

 

[D-rock]

In reality any politician working lower than the federal level has very little to do with how well the economy in their area runs. They deserve very little credit or blame for what happens in their areas economically. All of them would like to tell you otherwise, but it's not reality. It's pretty poor reason to vote for somebody at the state or local level other than you don't want stupid people making any economic decisions or helping or becoming federal politicians latter on, which pretty much means people shouldn't vote for republicans and libertarians as bad as the democrats are.

I say that as somebody that doesn't consider themselves a democrat at all. (It's a lot more accurate to say I'm anti-republican.)

 

[Straight Shooter]

In reality any politician working lower than the federal level has very little to do with how well the economy in their area runs. They deserve very little credit or blame for what happens in their areas economically. All of them would like to tell you otherwise, but it's not reality. It's pretty poor reason to vote for somebody at the state or local level other than you don't want stupid people making any economic decisions or helping or becoming federal politicians latter on, which pretty much means people shouldn't vote for republicans and libertarians as bad as the democrats are.

I say that as somebody that doesn't consider themselves a democrat at all. (It's a lot more accurate to say I'm anti-republican.)

I'd have to disagree with that. It's the opposite, the president or your senator have little to do in how well your city or state is economically. If there's no jobs in Chicago, it's not Obama's fault. He can't do shit to bring jobs to your city. Instead of blaming Obama, you need to talk to your mayor, congressman and governor. These are the people who are at the local level and have the power to bring jobs to your community

 

[Straight Shooter]

Obama was in town today to campaign for IL governor Pat Quinn. I have 16 days to make a decision. I'm still leaning towards voting for the Republican in the race but it's not set in stone. The two major problems in IL right now are the pension crisis and low job growth. There hasn't been much improvement in either under the Quinn administration and that is what has me leaning towards voting for change

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

If the GOP candidate is a better option in your eyes than any of your others than you should vote GOP.

 

[Lee Van Queef]

Here comes the Boogeyman and he's all Koch'd up. Hopefully Dr Soros has his .38 at the ready.

 

[georges]

Hi Bozo Mod Georges!

What do these three have to do with France?

Yeah, yeah.

Loser in France concern about American politics :wave:

Unless you are a John Burke Society card member in France.

Stop trolling, you dumb troll tool. I have never heard of these guys and the one who is a loser is you very obviously. I am not a member of any society, so when you don't know, just shut the fuck up.

 

[MustBeGood]

Stop trolling, you dumb troll tool. I have never heard of these guys and the one who is a loser is you very obviously. I am not a member of any society, so when you don't know, just shut the fuck up.

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Haha! You mad? Now go check the latest French politics because you don't live here and can't vote. Just bitch over the pond mad about socialism

Funny how someone is troll on this board when they disagree.

 

[georges]

Hollande is not extreme Left. His politics makes him Center-Left, much less a leftist than what he pretended to be during his 2012 campaign.
Mélenchon is extreme-left

This guy is a real extreme-Left communist, that should never, under any circumstances, be elected.

And Marine Lepen, well, it's complicated : She much more Left than Hollande about the economy but she's also much more Right than Sarkozy about immigration and social issus (such as gay marriage, abortion, steam cell research, end of life care, etc...).

Hollande has fucked a lot of French citizens and had no real program from the beginning, yet 51% of idiots voted for him now 15% of idiots still support that douchebag. Hollande is a trotskist kinda like Jopsin which is the worst species of socialist that can exist.
Like De Gaulle said brilliantly in the past about leftists: "Leftists rarely have big plans. They use demagoguery and movements of opinion. The left pulls the top of the company down by ideal of egalitarianism. That's how we ended up in the abyss in 1940 ... .. The socialist utopians are eternal, out of phase, mental stateless ... They always waste much credit. They have never been seen effectively spending the credits ... I do not like the Socialists, because they are not socialists. ... Because they are unable ... They are dangerous. "

 

[MustBeGood]

Of course you mean the John Birch Society but even more likely a KKK member. Anyone know if they have a chapter in France? :dunno:

Yes Georges is

Masking mad comment above!

No I'm not!


Yeah right

 

[Johan]

Ok, so what we have here is bunch of rational democrats who are thinking about voting Republicans since they are unhappy with their current Demcrat governor. I'm wondering : could it happen the other way round. Could we find on this board a few rational Republicans that could vote Deùocrat if they were unhappy with the current Republican governor ?

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

I received a call late Saturday night from someone claiming to be a campaign volunteer. He asked me what my preference is and when I said I voted republican pretty much across the board he called me a piece of shit. My question is, does this qualify as voter intimidation?

 

[Deepcover]

Obama was in town today to campaign for IL governor Pat Quinn. I have 16 days to make a decision. I'm still leaning towards voting for the Republican in the race but it's not set in stone. The two major problems in IL right now are the pension crisis and low job growth. There hasn't been much improvement in either under the Quinn administration and that is what has me leaning towards voting for change

Well just vote for whoever you feel will get the job done. No one's going to stone you to a wall if you vote for a Republican