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Insurance Won't Pay NorCal Mom's Cancer Treatment

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I guess it's okay since she was spared a "death panel" review.:rolleyes:

Almost forgot this juicy nugget of absurdity from an earlier, somewhat related thread started...vv

For the people with their heads still in the sand...

If the government passes the Socialists health care program this will be "normal" and euthanasia will be legal.

Blue Shield Denies New Cancer Treatment Claim
(5/6/2008)
Will your insurance company pay for the treatment your doctors recommend? They may not. That's what a single mother from Chico said she found out.

In late April, Shelly Andrews-Buta was scheduled to undergo treatment for breast cancer that had spread to her brain, threatening her life.

The experience has been emotionally devastating. "I have two beautiful children, you know, I'm a single mom, they need me to be around," Andrews-Buta told CBS 5 Investigates.

But instead of having doctors working to remove her brain tumors on the day the surgery was scheduled, she sat in a San Francisco hotel room. Why? Because at the last minute, her insurance company, Blue Shield, decided it wasn't going to pay for the treatment her doctors at UCSF Medical Center had recommended.


http://cbs5.com/local/cancer.treatment.denied.2.1007394.html
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I am so tired of this kind of rational argument being made by you bleeding-heart liberals. Open your eyes, man!! At least it isn't socialism! We most certainly don't want to give up the right of our insurers to make a well-deserved profit on human suffering now do we??? I mean, it's the American way! Capitalism at it's finest.

I take great personal comfort in the knowledge that a for-profit insurance company has the power to make medical decisions for me that can supersede those of my doctor. Imagine granting that same authority to an entity (the federal government) that has no financial stake in the equation! And imagine if it was simply an option....that you had the right to keep your existing insurance if you so desire? Crazy!

Next thing you know they'll want to fund other socialistic programs like universal education for our children. Thank God we still have the right to send our kids to private school if we so choose. Besides, the dateline in the article is "San Francisco" and we all know what that means. :blowjob::nannerf1::banana::rubbel:

Give it up, pinko. We're wise to your agenda to undermine true American values.
 

24788

☼LEGIT☼
I am so tired of this kind of rational argument being made by you bleeding-heart liberals. Open your eyes, man!! At least it isn't socialism! We most certainly don't want to give up the right of our insurers to make a well-deserved profit on human suffering now do we??? I mean, it's the American way! Capitalism at it's finest.

I take great personal comfort in the knowledge that a for-profit insurance company has the power to make medical decisions for me that can supersede those of my doctor. Imagine granting that same authority to an entity (the federal government) that has no financial stake in the equation! And imagine if it was simply an option....that you had the right to keep your existing insurance if you so desire? Crazy!

Next thing you know they'll want to fund other socialistic programs like universal education for our children. Thank God we still have the right to send our kids to private school if we so choose. Besides, the dateline in the article is "San Francisco" and we all know what that means. :blowjob::nannerf1::banana::rubbel:

Give it up, pinko. We're wise to your agenda to undermine true American values.

Greed runs this world.

I will never look at emoticons the same way. :(
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I am so tired of this kind of rational argument being made by you bleeding-heart liberals. Open your eyes, man!! At least it isn't socialism! We most certainly don't want to give up the right of our insurers to make a well-deserved profit on human suffering now do we??? I mean, it's the American way! Capitalism at it's finest.

I take great personal comfort in the knowledge that a for-profit insurance company has the power to make medical decisions for me that can supersede those of my doctor. Imagine granting that same authority to an entity (the federal government) that has no financial stake in the equation! And imagine if it was simply an option....that you had the right to keep your existing insurance if you so desire? Crazy!

Next thing you know they'll want to fund other socialistic programs like universal education for our children. Thank God we still have the right to send our kids to private school if we so choose. Besides, the dateline in the article is "San Francisco" and we all know what that means. :blowjob::nannerf1::banana::rubbel:

Give it up, pinko. We're wise to your agenda to undermine true American values.

Your dazzling array of words were no match for my intransigent, incorrigible stance until you went with the, "Give it up, pinko.." card. All it took was for you to call me "pinko" and I see the light.:1orglaugh
 
As I said in a previous post/thread this is really complicated. Snippets of information (and I am not making a criticism here) get bandied about on both sides: 'free' health-care; free HC with caveats; no insurance/tough luck. And across the pond, are things much better?? Yesterday, UK NHS was criticized for allowing patients to go 'under fed'. Do I believe that?? See what I mean...
 

Petra

Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
Staff member
As I said in a previous post/thread this is really complicated. Snippets of information (and I am not making a criticism here) get bandied about on both sides: 'free' health-care; free HC with caveats; no insurance/tough luck. And across the pond, are things much better?? Yesterday, UK NHS was criticized for allowing patients to go 'under fed'. Do I believe that?? See what I mean...

While of course we don't have the full amount of information, I wouldn't put it past them. Especially with blue shield...I've had some experience with them myself and the long drawn out battles to get them to cover something they "deem" not necessary.
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
As I said in a previous post/thread this is really complicated. Snippets of information (and I am not making a criticism here) get bandied about on both sides: 'free' health-care; free HC with caveats; no insurance/tough luck. And across the pond, are things much better?? Yesterday, UK NHS was criticized for allowing patients to go 'under fed'. Do I believe that?? See what I mean...

What's not complicated is the current system is bankrupting America. There was (and still is) an ideology which holds that the government providing free, basic education to it's people is somehow wrong.

In spite of it's flaws (which flaws are just the inherent nature of things in general....nothing operates flawlessly) public education has been an overwhelming success in our country. By and large it accomplishes it's goal...to provide a basic education to those who take advantage of it.

If an opposition to health care reform is that it will have flaws...then you should be opposed to every system as any and every one does.

GOPers had years to reform the system after their defeat of reform in '93...they did nothing. Now for arguments sake they offer alternatives to the draft plans being laid out.

Understand something, they don't believe in certain aspects of the reform to begin with so of course their alternatives are the equivalent to J.T.'s "counteroffer" to Vinny in "My Cousin Vinny" (those who've seen the movie get it) and they know the terms are unacceptable.

I think the reality is Obama has tried to be bi-partisan on the issue as he campaigned. But now it's time to just get it done...He doesn't need Republicans and GOPers see this as nothing more than an election year wedge issue.
 

JacknCoke

Stick with Freeones
Much to much going on behind the scenes here to make any real big decisions on the topic. I am not sure how I feel one way or the other. There are plenty of cases for both sides of the argument but we will have to wait and see which prevails. Most likely it will pass since it seems to be a Dem idea and they hold the voters power. But you can never tell...
 
What's not complicated is the current system is bankrupting America. There was (and still is) an ideology which holds that the government providing free, basic education to it's people is somehow wrong.

In spite of it's flaws (which flaws are just the inherent nature of things in general....nothing operates flawlessly) public education has been an overwhelming success in our country. By and large it accomplishes it's goal...to provide a basic education to those who take advantage of it.

If an opposition to health care reform is that it will have flaws...then you should be opposed to every system as any and every one does.

GOPers had years to reform the system after their defeat of reform in '93...they did nothing. Now for arguments sake they offer alternatives to the draft plans being laid out.

Understand something, they don't believe in certain aspects of the reform to begin with so of course their alternatives are the equivalent to J.T.'s "counteroffer" to Vinny in "My Cousin Vinny" (those who've seen the movie get it) and they know the terms are unacceptable.

I think the reality is Obama has tried to be bi-partisan on the issue as he campaigned. But now it's time to just get it done...He doesn't need Republicans and GOPers see this as nothing more than an election year wedge issue.

Sir, I absolutely agree with you about 'free' public education being a success.

Re health-care: free at point of delivery? higher taxes to fill the black-hole?? Is health-care ever free? Is the onus never on the patient?? I reiterate: it's complicated. That's no argument for no change...but I won't throw the book at Obama alone (think Congress and Hillary C health reform).
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Blue Shield, decided it wasn't going to pay for the treatment her doctors at UCSF Medical Center had recommended.


While of course we don't have the full amount of information, I wouldn't put it past them. Especially with blue shield...I've had some experience with them myself and the long drawn out battles to get them to cover something they "deem" not necessary.

:hatsoff:

The death panels might be true. :tongue:
 

titsrock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
A "death panel" in a for profit healthcare system is known as "cost control,"...
 

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
A "death panel" in a for profit healthcare system is known as "cost control,"...

Denying care is how people at the insurance companies make more money and please their bosses.

Death panel rhetoric is over the top IMO, but in any system you probably have to make some choices.I just can't see how anyone cannot see that those choices being made by people who benefit financially personally by denying care is just not a terrible way to allow such choices to be made.

Have you folks seen what the execs at the insurance companies get paid?? 10s and even over a hundred million dollars a year for some of the CEO's.

That kind of pay and set up is OK for selling some things but not something like health care.

The Govt like anything else is not and never will be perfect but at least they won't have the same kind of perverse incentives(like lining their own pockets) if they were in charge of it.Nobody in the govt would be making the kind of money those people at the insurance companies make.

Too bad some americans (look at the audiences at the anti- reform townhalls,demographics of race and age particulary) have swallowed so much of the GOP's wedge politics that they are so worried about somebody (who doesn't look like them usually) getting something they don't get now using some of their money.They don't want to pay for those people (you can figure out who and what they really mean I think by such sentiments) health care.Reminds me of the saying "cut off your nose to spite your face",as the current system is costing all of us and all the country to much and I think reform would benefit all by cutting down the overall amount of GDP we spend on health care as a country.We really should be able to cover everyone and spend even less then we do now and have everyone be served better by the system.But for some the old wedge politics of welfare moms and immigrants(even though illegals are to be excluded from assistance in all the bills) is all that really matters.

But as I have said it seems like the GOP has done their job well and we are rreally not going to get a good bill out of all this.We probably will get some kind of bill but it may very well just make the problem even worse.

Hillary would have been better prepared for this fight as she knows how it goes from her previous experience.Obama has been hesistant to call out the insurance companies and the others where I think she would have not been.
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Sir, I absolutely agree with you about 'free' public education being a success.

Re health-care: free at point of delivery? higher taxes to fill the black-hole?? Is health-care ever free? Is the onus never on the patient?? I reiterate: it's complicated. That's no argument for no change...but I won't throw the book at Obama alone (think Congress and Hillary C health reform).

I misspoke. I implied public education is free. It isn't "free", it costs and is paid for by taxation. It has been a worthy (almost obviously so) endeavor to pursue.

I'm going to deviate a little off point for a minute. The society or otherwise other entity or individual which is subject to the least amount of government control will always be the society, entity or individual who's most responsible. Correspondingly so, the society (or any other entity or individual) which behaves least responsibly is the one which gets more governmental or authoritarian intervention in their affairs.

For example, I wear seat belts, think it's the responsible thing to do and favor their use. However, I am opposed to the government looking in your car and then fining you for not wearing one.

If though, people were more responsible in wearing them there likely wouldn't be the sentiment to create a law. This is not the best example as there's more to seat belt laws than meets they eye but the point is, if there is no "there"..there's no reason for statutory intervention.

Where am I going with this? State's right's aside...this is the United States of America. What is the point of having some federation of states under one Constitution if the application of it's protections and ideals are scoffed off by the states under it? Had the states (general terms) did the right things when the ball was in their court with respect to education...the fed would have had no cause to intervene.

It is veritably no different with respect to health care insurance and it's costs in practical terms. To operate insurance companies obviously require bonding, licensing, etc. Once certain obligations are met the government allows them to legally operate as for basic consumer protection it doesn't allow companies to operate absent having met some standard for fiduciary responsibility.

Private insurance companies understandably being for profit enterprises can't and or won't cover everyone. Where they don't in most cases some government picks up the tab for those left out. After all, it isn't in a nation's best interests to have untreated disease and illness moving through it's population. Or it's people dropping dead and lying there in the streets until their corpse is reduced to bone like carcasses in the wild.

Since the concept of public health was never fully embraced as there are invariably those who are consumed with the concept of their own, personal taxation and those who exploit the sentiment...we were not only saddled with an imperfect system but one doomed to failure. Never mind the fact they miss is the current system when it breaks will cost everyone more.

The private sector insurance, pharmaceutical companies and consumer have so mismanaged their affairs that they've created a circular firing squad cyclically bankrupting each other. (Patients who can't pay medical expenses, hurt the service provider, service providers who then cease to provide service, cause sicker patients, sicker patients cost their insurance carriers more in the long run...so they cease to provide coverage in some cases, fewer people covered means less business for ol' Doc, etc., etc., etc.)

The two systems together represent a 1-2 punch bankrupting the nation's prosperity.

Since the likelihood is these systems which interdependent on one another shows no signs of self rectifying...the government is intervening for it's own sake.

Health care like public education, is something the government believes is not only a worthy endeavor but also that it's nation generates enough capital to provide it at a basic level to it's population.:2 cents:
 

Baill Inneraora

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
:hatsoff:

The death panels might be true. :tongue:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." - Exodus 20:16

“And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’” – Mathew 25: 30-40
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." - Exodus 20:16

“And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’” – Mathew 25: 30-40

Yeah, you and your twisting of scripture. :tongue:

Pharmakeia :hatsoff:
 
Where does the analogy between 'free' public education and 'free' health-care begin - and end. That's my point...It's never gonna be that simple... :my2cents:
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
Where does the analogy between 'free' public education and 'free' health-care begin - and end. That's my point...It's never gonna be that simple... :my2cents:

Your right they will not be seen as equivalent although I think they are in the immediate future.You would not see the kind of debate about education that we see at these townhalls,no one would say some can go uneducated.I hope at least most wouldn't.

But just as a side note I think there was a time when some (mainly the conservatives) were trying to undermine the free public education system.Thats what all that stuff about vouchers and choice was a smoke screen for.

Just like health care their is a segment of the country that wants their money out of all public enterprises,or at least wants none or as little as possible of it going to certain people in america.It's a backlash over the changes that occurred during the civils rights movement era and related and has been exasperated by the wedge issues politics employed by the GOP since the 60s.

Peoples interests are not seen as being common incorrectly.We really could probably achieve a lot and solve all such things easily if we could just get past that stuff and be more united as a people.
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
It's a backlash over the changes that occurred during the civils rights movement era and related and has been exasperated by the wedge issues politics employed by the GOP since the 60s.

I would say more accurately conservatism as opposed to GOP. The GOP hasn't always been the party most aligned with conservatism in all parts of the country.
 
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