Is conservatism today's counterculture?

[sean miguel]

who would've thunk?

but those old, tired, boring liberals and 60's hippies though.

they are no fun. they suck and don't seem to have a sense of humor.

I should couch this by saying if true, it wouldn't be "conservativism" in the traditional sense but a rejection of the left and their lunacy and the tyranny of their thought police, thus the counterculture.

I'm for legalized marijuana, legalized prostitution and I love my porn.

I love freedom, I love the American ideal - that rugged individualism over the left's hive collecitve.

 

[Johan]

Nope

A counter-culture is, by definition, an underground movement. When they cease to be underground and become more and more mainstream, they get absorbed by mainstream culture. That's what happened to the hippies, to Punks, that's what's happening to the LGBTQ movement...

Conservatism is not underground, it has never been.

 

[sean miguel]

Nope

A counter-culture is, by definition, an underground movement. When they cease to be underground and become more and more mainstream, they get absorbed by mainstream culture. That's what happened to the hippies, to Punks, that's what's happening to the LGBTQ movement...

Conservatism is not underground, it has never been.

the french resistance during WWII was an underground movement as was anti-slavery in the the American south.

the hippy movement of the 60's was out in the open. and were they ever. It was an open rebellion against the norm which is "by definition" a counter-culture.

 

[sean miguel]

that would be my definition of counterculture - challenging the norms of the day, whether it's underground or not.

like a brit criticizing islam on facebook. <knock knock>

 

[Jack Davenport]

who would've thunk?

but those old, tired, boring liberals and 60's hippies though.

they are no fun. they suck and don't seem to have a sense of humor.

I should couch this by saying if true, it wouldn't be "conservativism" in the traditional sense but a rejection of the left and their lunacy and the tyranny of their thought police, thus the counterculture.

I'm for legalized marijuana, legalized prostitution and I love my porn.

I love freedom, I love the American ideal - that rugged individualism over the left's hive collecitve.

Kinda like the rebels of today are the ones that don’t have tattoos.

 

[sean miguel]

Kinda like the rebels of today are the ones that don’t have tattoos.

or to gender assume.

 

[sean miguel]

fap

 

[sean miguel]

in narrower terms, think of posters (or former ones) here who appeal to their friends' list.

I admit, conservatives are definitely outnumbered here, though maybe by a few less recently.

#Resist

pussies.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I think Adam’s workload went down by quite a bit in the last few weeks.
He probably hates opening his reported posts folder.

 

[sean miguel]

which is I respect Johan, even if it isn't reciprocated.

He doesn't go run off when things don't go his way but stands his ground.

He puts the others to shame.

 

[Jack Davenport]

which is I respect Johan, even if it isn't reciprocated.

He doesn't go run off when things don't go his way but stands his ground.

He puts the others to shame.

Will says that Johan neg reps him often.

 

[sean miguel]

Will says that Johan neg reps him often.

Will deserves to be neg repped to oblivion (whatever that is).

but Johan is still here to neg rep. that was my point.

unlike these #Resist pussies who are hunkering down waiting for President Trump to be "deposed." or whatever fagger69 has in his profile.


it's funny that it's all about "revenge" after Trump got elected. these fucking lunatics. I'd rather they take it out here than at some congressional baseball practice.

I love mocking these fuckers.

 

[georges]

Conservatism isn't a counterculture but communautarianism combined with appreciation for radical islamism à la obama notrauma is not ony a counterculture but a danger same as socialism and communism which both favor a dumbing down of the society at all levels and stateless people. Johan and I often disagree and we will very rarely agree

 

[Rey C.]

Kinda like the rebels of today are the ones that don’t have tattoos.

Hmm...

Whining about Fight for $15 and income inequality, but don't have enough in savings to pay for a $250 car repair to get to work... and they have $900 worth of tats running up and down their arms and legs, like they're members of some sort of idiot tribe? :yesyes:

the french resistance during WWII was an underground movement as was anti-slavery in the the American south.

the hippy movement of the 60's was out in the open. and were they ever. It was an open rebellion against the norm which is "by definition" a counter-culture.

Hmm...

I should couch this by saying if true, it wouldn't be "conservativism" in the traditional sense but a rejection of the left and their lunacy and the tyranny of their thought police, thus the counterculture.

I'm for legalized marijuana, legalized prostitution and I love my porn.

I love freedom, I love the American ideal - that rugged individualism over the left's hive collecitve.

Since libertarians (small "l") would fall into this grouping, but aren't really "conservatives" in the political/social sense (most are fiscal conservatives, but not social conservatives), and you've rightly pointed this out... I'm inclined to agree with you.

As most longer term posters remember, I often took the opportunity to give stick to the generic conservatives du jour (Michele Bachmann, [NOBABE]Sarah Palin[/NOBABE], et al) who were often dumber than dumb and only spouted the party line, supporting things like "conservative litmus tests" for Republicans running for office. Well, what we have now on the left is even worse than that, IMO. I don't recall any stories of CEOs telling their employees that if they voted for Obama, they had no place in the corporation, and should resign immediately. I don't recall any CEOs telling their employees that if they were found to be in favor of gun control, their place in the corporation would be in jeopardy. I don't recall any CEOs telling their employees that if they supported abortion rights or Planned Parenthood, their views could be considered hostile to their fellow employees, and that could be a dismissable offense.

I'm not part of MAGA or any sort of conservative movement, as it were. Though I do agree with Trump on some (mostly economic) issues, I don't care for him personally. But I certainly can see that this mob mentality (the #Metoo witch hunt being one of the most egregious to due process, IMO - along with the LGBTQ-ABCDEFG mafia ) that's sweeping the nation is, just as you said, like a hive collective. The Borg ain't got nuthin' on these folks.

Peter Thiel (venture capital Facebook and PayPal investor) isn't some sort of rightwing nut case. He's extremely intelligent and has always demonstrated rational, measured views, as far as I know. But he couldn't take the herd mentality that has swept Silicon Valley... so he's left. And I don't blame him. Whether it's right leaning or left leaning, some people simply refuse to be part of a herd of sheep.

 

[Johan]

the french resistance during WWII was an underground movement as was anti-slavery in the the American south.

the hippy movement of the 60's was out in the open. and were they ever. It was an open rebellion against the norm which is "by definition" a counter-culture.

When France got rid of nazi occvupation, the french resistance disbanded. Some join De Gaulle's Free France to fight the last remnants of the nazi occupation. A lot of Resistance fighters were left-winger and a large number of them were communists. When De Gaulle formed the Provisional Government he included some oscialist and communists because he knew the nation needed to join forces, to be united, he knew it wasn't the time for political mayhem. But he also knew the people did not wanted a socialist revolution, he kne they wanted only peace and prosperity so the most important positions in that government were held by conservatives


I don't know about anti-slavery in the old south

 

[Rey C.]

A counter-culture is, by definition, an underground movement. When they cease to be underground and become more and more mainstream, they get absorbed by mainstream culture. That's what happened to the hippies, to Punks, that's what's happening to the LGBTQ movement...

Conservatism is not underground, it has never been.


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I don't know about anti-slavery in the old south

Never heard of John Brown, Harriet Tubman or the Underground Railroad?


Anyway, to your point in a previous post, I agree with you that the LGBTQ movement has now (within the past two or three years here) made itself part of the mainstream (pop) culture, as has (what was once considered) radical feminism. But instead of using the term conservatism, perhaps we should just say that anyone and any ideology that does not totally agree with the Orwellian thought police on the left will not be heard in today's mainstream/pop culture. Apart from Fox News, which is skewed to the right, the major mainstream media forces are now unabashedly skewed to the left on social issues. This is why I've all but stopped watching major news outlets. I don't care to hear the right wing propaganda on Fox and I don't care to hear the left wing propaganda that's everywhere else. I've always figured that between two stories, there's the truth. Unfortunately, we don't get that here anymore.

A couple of days ago, I was watching the online TV channel that my broker (T.D. Ameritrade) hosts. There I am, watching a show that was going deep into constructing iron condors, and they go to commercial break. An overweight woman with a crew cut pops onto the screen and starts talking about how T.D. Ameritrade is working to meet the unique financial needs (whatever that means) of the LGBTQ community. As a point of reference, Bank of America (an unrelated company) has instituted similar initiatives. I don't think that Ameritrade or Bank of America really cares about homosexuals or radical feminists all that much. But both companies (and many, many others) know who's buttering the bread these days - and it's not people with what we'll call "traditional" beliefs.