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Is it a crime to raise a killer?

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@ChrisFreemanX
No one in Clayton NJ rioted after two black teens were charged with murdering a 12 year old white girl. Her dad is currently seeking to sue the mother of the boy convicted and petitioning the New Jersey legislature to adopt "Autumns Law". Tragic story.

http://news.yahoo.com/is-it-a-crime-to-raise-a-killer--190558283.html

A tragedy in New Jersey raises questions about where parental responsibility ends when a child becomes a murderer.

Anthony Pasquale stops to visit his daughter at the Cedar Green Cemetery every morning, then returns once or twice more during the day. He sits on the small white bench and faces the polished granite headstone, etched with a hologram of Autumn on one side and the things she loved on the other — bicycles, soccer balls, cheerleading, skateboards.

From where he sits he can see the middle school, where his 12-year-old girl was a student, and next to that the high school, where the 15-year-old boy who killed her was one, too. When school is in session, Pasquale has even glimpsed a classmate peering out of the ground-floor science-lab windows, which look directly onto Autumn’s grave.

That’s how things work in a small town like Clayton, N.J., where everyone knows everyone else, where lives and stories intertwine. “Because it’s a small town — that’s why we live here,“ says Anthony Pasquale. But it was also why Autumn died.

“She trusted him because she thought everyone was raised the way she was,” he says of her attacker. “That everyone could be trusted. That all parents taught kids right from wrong.”

It has been nearly two years since Autumn went missing and Justin Robinson went to jail, pleading guilty to strangling her after she stopped by his house to trade parts for her brand-new bicycle. In that time her parents have learned that the stages of grief now include another step — finding someone to blame. It’s a stage well known to parents wrenched by a particular kind of loss, a kind arguably more common and certainly more public of late — losing children at the hands of other children. And it is raising questions with few answers in the existing legal system.
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Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
If I have a minor in my home, living or visiting, and they take a gun from me, even if they manage to get the thing from a locked safe, and they kill someone, I'm held responsible. If I have a child, and they steal my car, and run someone, or something over, I am held financially liable. So my thought is, if the child committing the offense did so under any circumstance other then an accidental cause, the parents can be held liable. Especially if the child has a long history of juvenile delinquency. I feel that, maybe if some of these parents start having to pay the price for their children's actions, maybe they'll be a little more concerned with their children's actions
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
No one in Clayton NJ rioted after two black teens were charged with murdering a 12 year old white girl.

I know.

Nothing was said on the news either.



Her dad is currently seeking to sue the mother of the boy convicted and petitioning the New Jersey legislature to adopt "Autumns Law". Tragic story.

O J Simpson lost the civil trial.

Wrongful death civil trial On February 5, 1997, a civil jury in Santa Monica, California, unanimously found Simpson liable for the wrongful death of and battery against Goldman, and battery against Brown. Daniel Petrocelli represented plaintiff Fred Goldman, Ronald Goldman's father. Simpson was ordered to pay $33,500,000 in damages. In February 1999, an auction of Simpson's Heisman Trophy and other belongings netted almost $500,000. The money went to the Goldman family.



I hope this is brought up in the Pasquale trial.
 

D-rock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
While legally it's hard to bring a parent up in cases where their child does something, I personally don't have a problem with whoever has custody of a minor child being held legally responsible for their children's actions, baring extraordinary measures that show the guardian of the child did everything reasonable to try and prevent it. Laws need to be changed to better reflect parents being held responsible.
 

tvstrip

Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
Bronze Member
I think a bigger issue is how old you should be before being held criminally responsible for violent crimes. I'd say 15 is more than enough to be responsible for murder.
 

zeeblofowl_1969

I don't know and frankly I don't care.
There must not be an Al Sharpton type to whip up a frenzy just to get his shriveled face on the TV.
Guy should be jailed for what he does freaking parasite.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
So my thought is, if the child committing the offense did so under any circumstance other then an accidental cause, the parents can be held liable. Especially if the child has a long history of juvenile delinquency. I feel that, maybe if some of these parents start having to pay the price for their children's actions, maybe they'll be a little more concerned with their children's actions

While legally it's hard to bring a parent up in cases where their child does something, I personally don't have a problem with whoever has custody of a minor child being held legally responsible for their children's actions, baring extraordinary measures that show the guardian of the child did everything reasonable to try and prevent it. Laws need to be changed to better reflect parents being held responsible.

I'm on board with this in principle, though I hesitate on where to draw the line at 'extraordinary measures'. I think it should remain difficult to bring the parent up because there are a lot of factors outside a parent's control. Take an adopted child as just one example; whichever side of the nature vs nurture you side, there's a big part of the equation those adoptive parents have no control over. Or what about foster parents?

In the case of irresponsible, lazy, etc, parenting, I think they should be culpable. But I think we need to be careful where and how to draw that line.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I'm on board with this in principle, though I hesitate on where to draw the line at 'extraordinary measures'. I think it should remain difficult to bring the parent up because there are a lot of factors outside a parent's control. Take an adopted child as just one example; whichever side of the nature vs nurture you side, there's a big part of the equation those adoptive parents have no control over. Or what about foster parents?

In the case of irresponsible, lazy, etc, parenting, I think they should be culpable. But I think we need to be careful where and how to draw that line.

The other factor, though not quite as hard to determine, is the "accidental" factor....I struggle with where that line can be drawn. We generally know what is and isn't, but good lawyers, and sympathetic jurors will make this line VERY fuzzy. The problem today is, kids are more influenced by rappers and athletes, then by parents and other role models, of substantial quality....people such as great scientists, or people that have contributed to our world being a better place....though they are far fewer.
 

D-rock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I'm on board with this in principle, though I hesitate on where to draw the line at 'extraordinary measures'. I think it should remain difficult to bring the parent up because there are a lot of factors outside a parent's control. Take an adopted child as just one example; whichever side of the nature vs nurture you side, there's a big part of the equation those adoptive parents have no control over. Or what about foster parents?

In the case of irresponsible, lazy, etc, parenting, I think they should be culpable. But I think we need to be careful where and how to draw that line.

What I meant by extraordinary measures in this case is when a child clearly shows signs of having dangerous mental health issues, and will be a danger to themselves or others, they seek out actual professional help for them along with being decent parents that try to raise their children right. If they look the other way while they know their child is a ticking time bomb and could lose it I think they should be held responsible. If they do everything reasonable to turn them into caring productive members of society, and get a bad break while everything they did failed I might be able to have sympathy for them and not hold them responsible, but I do think if have to go to extraordinary lengths that's what they should do. Being a good parent and raising one's children in a good manner is one of the most important responsibilities anybody can ever have in my view. That might mean holding them accountable for not going the extra mile where I wouldn't expect others to have that level of responsibility on different situations of less importance.

With that said I do think the system in place to help people in those situations are very lacking, and it's not cheap either so I do understand the problems people have.

I will also say that while society can influence people, especially ones where the parents let it raise their children instead of themselves, out of all the jerks I have known that I also got to know about their parents I can't help but notice that the parents more often then not act just the same way. It makes me realize where they got their behavior from.
 
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