Is Right-Wing Media Responsible for Right-Wing Violence?

[Member2019]

Know your history ...

To you, yes.
The problem is, to the undiscriminating it's often ingested as gospel, with all the concurrent repercussions that kind of zealotry engenders.

Is it any different than the bleeding hearts on the left that take "caring for others" too far with "other people's money" to the point that good works are overlooked and not equally represented with funding? Let alone how much is spent that doesn't help people, but pays for too many administrators? And it goes beyond even that.

Everyone is responsible for what they do. If people take things

Rush is not about a dialogue, Rush is about preaching the party line. he is a spokesman

I would argue that a significant portion of the Republican party would differ with that, and cringe when the left, and the select of the right, often successfully paints him as such. In fact, I would -- by far -- argue a greater percentage of Democrats associates him with the Republican leadership (and even Libertarians views -- gasp!) than Republicans themselves do.

Many Republicans (let alone us Libertarians) consider him an ever increasing hypocrite and a general quandary to the lines he totes. But that's no different than most analysts and even politicians. A simple look at "do what I say not do what I do," paint Al Gore and Bill Clinton pretty harsh in comparison to many Republicans. God I couldn't stand W., never voted for him, but he did what he said, and supported what he said he would.

If you want an ideal exam of Gore and Clinton at work, I suggest you read the actual NAFTA bill that Republicans now take the rap for. Perot pointed it out. People didn't listen because "Perot was mean." Yeah, but he was correct, including the special interest.

Scary quote of the day:

"A month after Bill Clinton's defeat of George H.W. Bush in 1992, Ronald Reagan sent Limbaugh a letter in which he thanked him "for all you're doing to promote Republican and conservative principles ... [and] you have become the Number One voice for conservatism in our Country."

(from limbaugh's Wikipedia entry - quote can be found here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n17_v45/ai_14293009/ )

That was before most of Limbaugh's "cult of personality" built itself up. Also, Limbaugh wasn't nearly as harsh on Clinton in 1992 as he would be in later years, and did praise Clinton on some items before the election while holding up the values that Reagan and others respected.

In fact, when Whitewater kept dragging on into 1994, Limbaugh actually defended Clinton, saying if the Republicans were going to get any President on anything, they should within the first year of office. Why? Because it's a distraction from the President and his ability to do his job. Limbaugh actually predicted correctly that the "investigations" by Republican backers and their continuous rhetoric into Clinton would come back to haunt every administration afterwards, including Republican executives.

Give the man some credit, back in the early '90s, he actually made some sense. I invite you to actually read things he said back then. But by the mid-'90s, he started down the road of rhetoric himself, and that's when I stopped listening to what was just more rhetoric. The later hypocrisy and other things in his life were just proof to me that he had well left his early principles.

There's a distinction to be made, however fine, between saying someone is indirectly responsible for the acts of others because of their inflammatory and inciteful language, and saying that they are directly, legally culpable for the crime.

Read this, watch the vid - I think it's quite fair to say that O'Reilly was irresponsible. (Also, it's noteworthy - again - to see how he speaks of the issue as though the women who get the abortions simply don't exist. If Tiller's a baby-killer, then so is every woman who comes to him for an abortion, too. Shouldn't he be worrying about what will happen to them on "Judgment Day" as well? (or does he actually think it's between them and their god?) Strange, and disturbing.)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/

"Tiller, O'Reilly likes to say, "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." He's guilty of "Nazi stuff," said O'Reilly on June 8, 2005; a moral equivalent to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, he suggested on March 15, 2006. "This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union," said O'Reilly on Nov. 9, 2006."

Accused the Kansas governor of having "blood on her hands" for not "stopping" Tiller. Etc, etc, etc.

He was just shy of calling for vigilante justice (and we can be sure that O'Reilly would insist on the death penalty for a baby killer!). He really should apologize to the Tiller family.

It's called tackling a controversial topic. In fact, he was explaining how some people view it. He was not calling for vigilante justice, he was explaining why some people take it up.

God forbid if we start barring analysts and politicians from making controversial statements and arguing views out of "taste" instead of actually pushing "rational thought" and leaving it to the populous, we might as well give up our freedom. And you might as well start by arresting Al Gore who has been preaching "civil disobedience" on many things, from a complete case of a nut job hypocrite himself, lacking all accountability and responsibility in his own life.

That's what I find both humorous and sad. People want to blame and hold alleged, right wing media personalities "accountable" without looking at what the left wing media does as well. "Oh, but they don't ... blah, blah, blah." Oh, I'd love to have that debate! In fact, I have the opposite one on right leaning boards, defending the left. "Oh, but, but, but ..." (followed by, essentially, "my candidate/party").

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Most of these people won't be following the "Right Wing Media." They think it's part of the Zionist/New World Order. Go look on something like Stormfront or whatever, they'll have a lot of threads saying that they disagree with the GWOT saying it's a waste of blood and treasure and possibly cooked up by powerful people in our government or some supranational organization.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

What exactly are we supposed to get out of attacking Rush Limbaugh? From a conservative standpoint, he's being attacked because he's considered the biggest threat by the Democrats. Palin, Jindal, Huckaby etc. were done in by ridicule from the liberal entertainment-news cycle. Limbaugh just plays to the base and is pretty much immune from criticism at this point, if the pills and all that crap didn't kill his career, he's safe.

 

[Philbert]

Hmmm.... philbert - Why the need to be so paternalistic with other adults on the board? Can't they make up their own minds about me and whatever I write?

Adkisson wasn't simply familiar with the right-wing ranters, his apartment was full of their books and he even directly cited (at least) one of them in the manifesto he left in his vehicle (a la Von Brunn, btw). I encourage all of you to check the link I already posted where you can find the complete, unabridged scanned PDF of Adkisson's manifesto (it's like 6-8 pages, handwritten). Here's an excerpt:

"This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them....

"This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."

"I thought I'd do something good for this Country Kill Democrats til the cops kill me....Liberals are a pest like termites. Millions of them Each little bite contributes to the downfall of this great nation. The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is to kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done. If life aint worth living anymore don't just kill yourself. do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals."

No, I want to say what I feel like saying...not what you think I should say; hard to grasp?
You constantly insinuate non-real actions on the part of talk-show hosts who say none of what you and other fantasy-believers here say they "did"...interpreting for others nonsense that takes a stretch of logic and a lack of reverence for actual truth (that's truth with a lower case "t")
So...what I see in those writings is the violence caused by Liberal rhetoric and Liberal deceit...specifically by the Obama Admin...that is creating crazed lunatics who are not Republicans, but sure don't find much to hate there. The Dems seem to be inspiring a bunch of death-dealers.

You Liberals need to look to yourselves when finding a cause for hate crimes...the same way I hear vicious rhetoric about how the US was creating hatred and Jihadis through it's actions, turn that blind Third Eye on yourselves and apply the same theories to Liberal actions that create such hatred...it's obviously your fault, if you really believe that theory about inspiring hate through reaction.
I don't hear any call to arms on Glen Beck, or Rush, or Mike, or Mark, etc...you don't listen to these guys, supposedly, yet seem to know what they say...what a liar.
The Left is giving civility a bad name...McCain showed class, Palin is an outstanding person, and yet nothing but hate and nasty from the small minds espousing Left and Liberal views, said about these 2.
George Bush was a decent man, and I hear more hate from FreeOnes posters that any Al Qada manifesto...look to yourself for the inspiration for lunatics to hate.
I have no trouble despising the dishonest single-sided rhetoric I hear from most of the obvious Leftie Obama bag-holders.
No one I have met or know pays any attention to extreme Right or Left nut-jobs who think killing anyone randomly is an effective deterrent to the political direction of the country...except the Lefties here on FreeOnes and their heroes in the blogosphere.

To you, yes.
The problem is, to the undiscriminating it's often ingested as gospel, with all the concurrent repercussions that kind of zealotry engenders.

So...you espouse the same control over what not only is said but what is possibly meant and exempt the Left hate rhetoric such as Titsrock, F-K, Rachel Maddox, KO, & David Letterman spew endlessly...regulating yourself to the ranks of the obviously 2 dimensional.
Don't you feel even a little silly saying such a slanted, 1 sided "truism"?

When do you get all nasty on Al Gore, the proven Left Liar and Carbon Credit King for being a major inspiration to Ted Kazinsky and his reign of murder and terror?
Is there some difference here?
When some nutcase takes a shot at Rush or Glen will you call for KOs arrest? Rahm's?
Will F-K turn himself in? :rofl:

 

[Hot Mega]

What exactly are we supposed to get out of attacking Rush Limbaugh? From a conservative standpoint, he's being attacked because he's considered the biggest threat by the Democrats. Palin, Jindal, Huckaby etc. were done in by ridicule from the liberal entertainment-news cycle. Limbaugh just plays to the base and is pretty much immune from criticism at this point, if the pills and all that crap didn't kill his career, he's safe.

Rush plays to the primary crowd and wing nuts. He's mainstream GOP not mainstream....To the extent that Rush is any kind of real threat in today's politics it is because democrats don't do an effective job of counter-spin and moderate GOPers are deathly afraid of him because of primary politics.

All of which should have been dispelled by the results of the last election. Rush did everything to promote Clinton and defeat McCain and defeat Obama. He went 0 for 3.

Rush along with the rest in the "echo chamber" do a masterful job of hijacking debates with deceptive wordsmithing and half-truths. The difference today is there are voices out there now who catch him on every myth, falsehood and mislead he tries to perpetuate. Now they don't do as good a job of lampooning him for this and putting issues in proper context. But at least it's something and he and all the other parakeets parroting the same myths don't simply get to go unchallenged.

Huckabee is not half-bad IMO..he's not a shrill ideologue and he actually thinks before he opens his trap. Palin and Jindal were done in by their own idiocy and Michael Steele is doing his best to make of the lag on them.

As long as GOPers continue to allow moderates to be bashed into obscurity by a radio entertainer the party deserves what it gets. Rush survived his drug scandal for the same reason Larry Craig survived his scandal, Palin is surviving her scandals, Newt and his scandals, etc. Because it's a game of our team vs. your team and GOP rank and file circle the wagons around their own. They come up with some of the most incredible excuses to explain away behavior they were just inclined to criticize with their last breathes merely days prior.

 

[Member2019]

moderate GOPers are deathly afraid of him because of primary politics

One could argue that of all moderate Democrats on Obama as well. Dealing in absolutes is hardly the reality.

Rush along with the rest in the "echo chamber" do a masterful job of hijacking debates with deceptive wordsmithing and half-truths. The difference today is there are voices out there now who catch him on every myth, falsehood and mislead he tries to perpetuate. Now they don't do as good a job of lampooning him for this and putting issues in proper context. But at least it's something and he and all the other parakeets parroting the same myths don't simply get to go unchallenged.

And left-leaning analysts and personalities don't do the same?

Again, this thread is entitled ...
"is the right-wing media responsible for right-wing violence?"

So far, I haven't heard much "evidence." I've heard a lot of stretch and finger pointing, but nothing remotely concrete. And the "came short of" is getting old.

As long as GOPers continue to allow moderates to be bashed into obscurity by a radio entertainer the party deserves what it gets.

And as long as Democrats complain about Republicans on fiscal responsibility, citing only Clinton (ignoring the Republican Congress, except when it comes to blame for alleged "lack of regulation," in quite a quandary), while ignoring what is going on in Washington with Democrats clearly in control (and blaming it solely on W., while ignoring the recession W. inherited in the very first quarter of 2001), I say both the left and right are pissing this country down the tubes.

So, again, I ask, how ...
"is the right-wing media responsible for right-wing violence?"

Apparently people don't want to talk about that, they just want to talk about who's right, who's wrong and somehow, out of that, why the right-wing media needs to be censored.

Rush survived his drug scandal for the same reason Larry Craig survived his scandal

Actually, I'd argue Democrats are more than willing to ignore elementary rights and the reasons for them when it comes to people like Larry Craig. The whole reason why we have the laws preventing cops on "entrapment" is to prevent such extortion of privacy.

While I make no excuses for Rush, and stopped listening to him by the mid '90s (his hypocrisy didn't surprise me), Larry Craig was likely innocent and repeatedly argued with the officer who "just didn't get it" (listen to the whole tape, not just the sound bites). It was classic entrapment and the officer didn't expect someone to wonder what the fuck he was asking.

I related to Larry Craig because I travel, use the exact same bathrooms at the airports I commonly go to because they are near the same airline counters I use and the same gates I fly in/out of. The stalls are narrow, I spread my legs and regularly bump other people's shoes. I often put my free hand up on the separator, or below it, just because it's unconfortable in confined spaces to wiz. Most airport bathrooms are like this because they were built before the change in stall requirements for accessibility/disabilities, and they've shrunk them.

Again, I invite you to hear the full tape. The officer was repeatedly trying to get Larry Craig to admit it, and to the flabbergasted officer, even after explaining and re-explaining to Craig on "how to get out" of the issue, Larry Craig repeatedly refused to answer positively to the charge he was soliciting. He finally used the same phrase I, myself regularly use, "then you saw something that did not happen." It's a phrase us "old guys" use that means, "I don't know what fucking planet you are on, but you are seeing things that I did not do."

Palin is surviving her scandals

What scandals? Her kids?

Newt and his scandals, etc.

I personally love how Newt is held to a "different standard" than Bill Clinton. That got old to me.

Because it's a game of our team vs. your team and GOP rank and file circle the wagons around their own.

And we Libertarians are saying, "stop pissing the country away!"

We Libertarians believe in regulation and tariffs! We tried to explain this to Democrats and Republicans in the '90s, to no avail. Instead, we got more fascist economics, based on over-spending and the consumer, instead of balances of trade and industry. And we're so fucked because of it.

We don't have free market healthcare, we haven't since the late '60s. We don't have free or fair immigration, and we haven't since the '70s. We don't have any free market that isn't propped up by the government, and it wasn't the Iraq war that caused it (didn't help, but the expenditures did not remotely cause the issues).

They come up with some of the most incredible excuses to explain away behavior they were just inclined to criticize with their last breathes merely days prior.

And one could easily argue that of the Democrats.

My continued favorite was the state of the economy when Bill Clinton exited the White House at the end of 2000. The numbers don't lie. Stop quoting the surplus and look at the state of the economy, especially the rate of change in the surplus, and the fact that weren't reducing the debt with any of the surplus. I blame both the Republican Congress and Democrat President for that. And then the Republican Congress and Republican President for only making it worse.

But in reality, it had nothing to do with government spending. It had to do with our economy and the focus on the consumer. The joke of the .COM boom that literally pissed away money, then the housing boom that temporarily hid the former, and then made it far, far worse. Especially in the sheer and false money multiplier we cannot afford to now cover with even government debt.

We're just fucked.

But, again, what the fuck does any of this have to do with ...
"Is Right-Wing Media Responsible for Right-Wing Violence?"

Nothing, nada, zilch. Scandal whatever claims ... what does it?

That's the thing I honestly get tired of with the left. They claim right-wingers cause racism, violence and all sorts of other things, pressing that "nuke button," all because many right-wingers refused to have "bleeding hearts" on so many concepts, and tell it how they think it is.

I don't agree with the right, but it's not any worse of a rhetoric than the left. Not being "sensitive" doesn't mean you're a racist or violent, it just means you're an asshole. In all honestly, as a Libertarian, I much prefer someone being an asshole straight-up.

Than the left-wingers who take my money and arrogantly say, "we know how to help people with this better than you, you're wrong and you make too much money." All while they piss it away in some vertical administrative agency that always grows and never sheds fat. All while good charities that are much leaner and many non-profits do so much more good, for so much less. I sure wish they'd just give it to those organizations, instead of trying to manage it.

After all, why do you left-wingers believe that you should build huge entities for the public welfare with the same, federal funds that also go to a budget for defense? That one still scratches my head, even with Obama's own attitudes, instead of leaving it to states where they can manage it more locally, and cannot spend it on military -- let alone their primary budget items are ... tada ... education.

 

[Hot Mega]

But, again, what the fuck does any of this have to do with ...
"Is Right-Wing Media Responsible for Right-Wing Violence?"

Nothing, nada, zilch. Scandal whatever claims ... what does it?

Apparently you didn't read the the post I was responding to. You're forgiven.:angels:

So here's some evidence. Clinton was nearly at the end of his first term before extreme right wing groups figured out that Clinton had nothing to do with Ruby Ridge. They were mislead on the simplest of terms and believed since Clinton's first term was '92 to '96 that his DOJ was responsible and were religious in that belief until it was explained that Clinton while elected in 1992, didn't assume office until 1993...a year after Ruby Ridge.:dunno:

There were as stunned dealing with that reality as they were when "Mancow" said water boarding was torture.:wave2:

 

[Hot Mega]

While I make no excuses for Rush, and stopped listening to him by the mid '90s (his hypocrisy didn't surprise me), Larry Craig was likely innocent and repeatedly argued with the officer who "just didn't get it" (listen to the whole tape, not just the sound bites). It was classic entrapment and the officer didn't expect someone to wonder what the fuck he was asking.

I related to Larry Craig because I travel, use the exact same bathrooms at the airports I commonly go to because they are near the same airline counters I use and the same gates I fly in/out of. The stalls are narrow, I spread my legs and regularly bump other people's shoes. I often put my free hand up on the separator, or below it, just because it's unconfortable in confined spaces to wiz. Most airport bathrooms are like this because they were built before the change in stall requirements for accessibility/disabilities, and they've shrunk them.

Again, I invite you to hear the full tape. The officer was repeatedly trying to get Larry Craig to admit it, and to the flabbergasted officer, even after explaining and re-explaining to Craig on "how to get out" of the issue, Larry Craig repeatedly refused to answer positively to the charge he was soliciting. He finally used the same phrase I, myself regularly use, "then you saw something that did not happen." It's a phrase us "old guys" use that means, "I don't know what fucking planet you are on, but you are seeing things that I did not do."

I did..:1orglaugh And I've gotten some of the hardest belly laughs in my life!!

If you believe Craig was not acting strange and out the ordinary enough that the cop didn't pick up on what he has experience understanding as proposition signals...you may as well plead willful stupidity right now...:1orglaugh

Craig acknowledges touching the cop's foot and chalks it up to being a "wide guy".:1orglaugh

The officer identifies which hand Craig used to reach under the stall with by the ring on it..To which Craig attributes to reaching down and picking up a piece of toilette paper. HUHH???!!?? Who picks up toilette paper off of the floor of a public rest stall??:1orglaugh

Craig sounded like any other guy in trouble trying to lie and fudge his way out of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you can't see that...again, just go ahead and plead willful stupidity right now.:1orglaugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LExMrPTwuwI

What scandals? Her kids?

No. You didn't hear she was cited for ethics violations. Apparently in Alaska you can't use the power of your office to exact retribution on your personal enemies. Who knew..:1orglaugh

I'm fairly certain "echo chamber" attack parrots Malkin and Coultergeist would have most assuredly skewered Hillary Clinton as the worst mother in maternal history if she had a drop out son and a teenage, prego daughter who was also out of wedlock while she was running around Hope and Little Rock trying to get elected. Hmmm

I personally love how Newt is held to a "different standard" than Bill Clinton. That got old to me.

Agreed!!! You guys should hold Newt to the same standard as some of you moralists held Clinton to.:thumbsup::wave2:

 

[Facetious]

Re: Is Right-Wing Media Responsible for Right-Wing Violence?

I heard that this ol crusty Judea hating, holocaust denying, shoot - em up at the Halocaust Museum, piece of work had "The Weekly Standard" editor, the actual, in the flesh mr.neocon himself on the short list - so say investigators.

So there ! This doesn't qualify as any fuggin "right winged extreme domestic republikan terror crime / plot / conspiracy !!" :Updown: :1orglaugh

You guys that pick this kinda shit up and run with it only reveal your youth.

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Is Right-Wing Media Responsible for Right-Wing Violence?

I heard that this ol crusty Judea hating, holocaust denying, shoot - em up at the Halocaust Museum, piece of work had "The Weekly Standard" editor, the actual, in the flesh mr.neocon himself on the short list - so say investigators.

So there ! This doesn't qualify as any fuggin "right winged extreme domestic republikan terror crime / plot / conspiracy !!" :Updown: :1orglaugh

You guys that pick this kinda shit up and run with it only reveal your youth.

He also blamed Obama...sorry let me get it straight (you have to try and keep the inconsistencies of these whackos in order) he blamed the Jews for Obama. (Not sure which is the bigger transgression according to righty whack jobs).

Besides Pat Buchanan was a part of that "echo chamber" who was also a Holocaust denier too...Hmm, hmmm, hmmm:1orglaugh

 

[Facial_King]

George Bush was a decent man, and I hear more hate from FreeOnes posters that any Al Qada manifesto...look to yourself for the inspiration for lunatics to hate.

...

When some nutcase takes a shot at Rush or Glen will you call for KOs arrest? Rahm's?
Will F-K turn himself in? :rofl:

(emphasis mine - F_K)

I guess this is not a major revelation, but this is really not a serious person we're dealing with, is it?

Once again, you're dealing in straw men, philbert. I've not called for O'Reilly's (or Beck's or Limbaugh's, etc.) arrest, and I don't know of any lefty who has. Perhaps, somewhere, deep in the deepest layers of the internet, someone on the left has, but I haven't seen it.

:dunno:

 

[free4440273]

Who we gonna blame next??? The Internet????

 

[Philbert]

I did..:1orglaugh And I've gotten some of the hardest belly laughs in my life!!

If you believe Craig was not acting strange and out the ordinary enough that the cop didn't pick up on what he has experience understanding as proposition signals...you may as well plead willful stupidity right now...:1orglaugh

Craig acknowledges touching the cop's foot and chalks it up to being a "wide guy".:1orglaugh

The officer identifies which hand Craig used to reach under the stall with by the ring on it..To which Craig attributes to reaching down and picking up a piece of toilette paper. HUHH???!!?? Who picks up toilette paper off of the floor of a public rest stall??:1orglaugh

Craig sounded like any other guy in trouble trying to lie and fudge his way out of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you can't see that...again, just go ahead and plead willful stupidity right now.:1orglaugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LExMrPTwuwI



No. You didn't hear she was cited for ethics violations. Apparently in Alaska you can't use the power of your office to exact retribution on your personal enemies. Who knew..:1orglaugh

I'm fairly certain "echo chamber" attack parrots Malkin and Coultergeist would have most assuredly skewered Hillary Clinton as the worst mother in maternal history if she had a drop out son and a teenage, prego daughter who was also out of wedlock while she was running around Hope and Little Rock trying to get elected. Hmmm



Agreed!!! You guys should hold Newt to the same standard as some of you moralists held Clinton to.:thumbsup::wave2:

Palin has been cleared of every charge brought against her...like the fanatic Republican Clinton witch hunt, the Left keeps trying to tie her up with false charge after false charge; no success to date.
She is a genuine person, and the left fears her and her image...evidence the constant attempts to tear her down.
Straw men indeed...lacking balls enough to just reveal the fanatic within, F-K continues to insinuate the culpability of various talk radio hosts in the murders committed by some nutjobs recently while hiding behind the fact of having not actually called for any punishment for those supposedly responsible for the shootings. EEEK! Vigilantes! (sorta!):eek:
Refer back to the thread on the Pussification of America...some of the posts here should be quoted as examples.

 

[Hot Mega]

Palin has been cleared of every charge brought against her...like the fanatic Republican Clinton witch hunt, the Left keeps trying to tie her up with false charge after false charge; no success to date.
She is a genuine person, and the left fears her and her image...evidence the constant attempts to tear her down.
Straw men indeed...lacking balls enough to just reveal the fanatic within, F-K continues to insinuate the culpability of various talk radio hosts in the murders committed by some nutjobs recently while hiding behind the fact of having not actually called for any punishment for those supposedly responsible for the shootings. EEEK! Vigilantes! (sorta!):eek:
Refer back to the thread on the Pussification of America...some of the posts here should be quoted as examples.

After she was cited she was later "cleared" by a 3 member panel of people that worked for her. We should all be so lucky if we face charges of any kind.:1orglaugh

I still tend to agree that radio and talk show hosts using the same extreme language, rhetoric and myths in many cases aid and incited some of these loose kooks.

If Muslims sit around listening to clerics telling them America is the great satan, murders Muslims, are infidels, etc. you don't think they have a share in the blame when terrorist groups and individuals act against us???

It's no different when you have the likes of Limbaugh, Michael Vollmer, etc. sitting around accusing Janet Reno and Clinton of gassing, burning and shooting to death innocent people in Waco. Then based on that misinformation and extremist rhetoric some deranged kid who learned how to make explosives out of the Turner Diaries goes and acts against a government he's being told in print and word murders innocent people and may be coming to get him.

And it's a simple fact Rush insinuated time and time again Ruby Ridge was Clinton's fault by skillfully talking about what the government did to this family and in the next breath mentioning Clinton and Reno. This a direct statement I personally heard Rush make, "since Clinton was elected in 1992 we've seen families murdered in Ruby Ridge and Waco.."

Now aside from the disputed characterization of "murdered", that is a completely true statement. It is also totally deceptive in the sense that if you didn't know better you'd understand he was assigning blame to Clinton for Ruby Ridge when Clinton while elected in '92..didn't take office until '93. Almost a year after Ruby Ridge.

Janet Reno had no role in sending the DOJs LEAs to Waco. She wasn't even AG in Feb of 1993 when the warrants were issued against David Koresh.

But did that stop the right wing "echo chamber" from claiming Reno sent jack-booted government thugs down there to execute these innocent people?? No.

Left wing conspiracy theorist exist and they have their own views on 9/11, WTO, etc. But they are the fucking extreme, out of the mainstream, relatively obscure groups largely relegated to internet blogging. Besides Michael Moore they're not regulars sitting on the panels of mainstream news channels gushing their rhetoric. Contrast that with Rush who regurgitates some of the most extremist babble around and he's apparently given more credibility than any other representative of right wing perspective today. Then Hannity who's even worse than Rush and O'Reilly calling doctors baby killers, etc. This is the mainstream of GOP.

You're damned straight they have a hand in some of this when they gin up people claiming big bad Obama is coming for their "guns"....then there's a "mysterious" up tick in firearms sales...then you have lunatics killing cops while repeating the same nonsense that Obama is coming for their "guns".

This ought to be an open and shut case.

 

[Member2019]

Again, I'm scratching my head ...

Apparently you didn't read the the post I was responding to. You're forgiven.:angels:
So here's some evidence. Clinton was nearly at the end of his first term before extreme right wing groups figured out that Clinton had nothing to do with Ruby Ridge. They were mislead on the simplest of terms and believed since Clinton's first term was '92 to '96 that his DOJ was responsible and were religious in that belief until it was explained that Clinton while elected in 1992, didn't assume office until 1993...a year after Ruby Ridge.:dunno:

Again, I'm scratching my head. This isn't about left v. right rhetoric, accusation, etc... about elected officials, etc...

What I'm interested in is hearing how the right-wing media has been telling people on the right to act violent. Please give me something?

All I see is people using stretch after stretch after stretch in an attempt to censor the right-wing media they disagree with. Frankly, I think the right-wing media is a bunch of non-sense, but censor them?

I don't know a Libertarian who agrees with that, even the ones most critical of the Republicans, Rush and others.

There were as stunned dealing with that reality as they were when "Mancow" said water boarding was torture.:wave2:

Again, "subject" any time? How is the right-wing media responsible for right-wing violence?

A lot of right-wingers are utter, insensitive assholes and bitches. I regularly get tired of them. But what justifies censoring them? Taste is still just a matter of opinion.

Can I get one actual example?

 

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Again, I totally related to Larry Craig!

I did..:1orglaugh And I've gotten some of the hardest belly laughs in my life!!
If you believe Craig was not acting strange and out the ordinary enough that the cop didn't pick up on what he has experience understanding as proposition signals...you may as well plead willful stupidity right now...:1orglaugh
Craig acknowledges touching the cop's foot and chalks it up to being a "wide guy".:1orglaugh

Did you remotely read what both he and then I also said?
Do you understand how much I relate to Craig, including his actions and responses?

I wear suits regularly, so I have to spread wide to avoid my pants falling down, let alone as I get older, it also helps with the flow. The stalls are more and more narrow. Again, read what I said!

Also, no less than two times in my life I've been charged with a crime that I did not remotely understand. And in every case, I was utterly dumbfounded why the officer was so upset. Entrapment is wrong because innocent people are also caught in the middle.

God, as people bitching about the "innocents" in Cuba, I wonder how quickly the same people will piss away this country! Everyone agrees that what the officer was doing was entrapment and wrong.

The officer identifies which hand Craig used to reach under the stall with by the ring on it..To which Craig attributes to reaching down and picking up a piece of toilette paper. HUHH???!!?? Who picks up toilette paper off of the floor of a public rest stall??:1orglaugh

I also pick up trash off the floor like Craig, because I care about the cleanliness of my local airport and other facilities. He was utterly dumbfounded for what happened to him, as I have been before.

I've been in restrooms that have been trashed at not-so-down locations. When it represents the facility I work at or even just regularly patronize, I do my best to change that with a few seconds here, a few seconds there. People like yourself make fun of me too.

Craig sounded like any other guy in trouble trying to lie and fudge his way out of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is what I love about your left-wingers. You will believe in civil liberties only to a point it fits your agenda. That's one of my biggest disappointments with Obama as well.

If you can't see that...again, just go ahead and plead willful stupidity right now.:1orglaugh

Then I'm just as stupid and as much of a fool as Craig. Or maybe we just live in different worlds from people like yourself.

We actually don't understand what the fuck is going on. Again, the law cannot practice as this officer did because it catches innocent individuals as well -- let alone the practice changing a plead for privacy is in violation of many rights.

Again, how do you left-wingers conditionally apply freedoms? When it fits your view? Craig's rights were utterly violated, and I do very much believe he was as innocent as I would have been in his shoes!

When you are publicly charged with sexual misconduct, there is no way to reverse it, even if you are proven innocent. In fact, you exemplify the problem. There is no way anyone could prove someone would be innocent to you. Do you understand this?

If I was in Craig's situation, would I fight it? My name and career would be over, even if I was proven innocent. Do you understand this? I do. The ACLU does. Great job Liberal! Great job! Yet more "conditional application of freedoms" as they fit a political agenda.

And now you understand why we Libertarians are going nuts with this left/right bullshit.

 

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He also blamed Obama...sorry let me get it straight (you have to try and keep the inconsistencies of these whackos in order) he blamed the Jews for Obama. (Not sure which is the bigger transgression according to righty whack jobs).

Besides Pat Buchanan was a part of that "echo chamber" who was also a Holocaust denier too...Hmm, hmmm, hmmm:1orglaugh

Are you talking about Rev Wright, the esteemed 20+ year pastor of Obama's church, the pastor who married him and Michelle? ...now there's a real wacko nutjob! I'll bet you absolutely believed Obama when he said he had no idea how the Rev felt and spoke about White America.:rofl:
Have you forgotten another famous Democrat, one who has run on the Dem ticket in Kansas and gotten 16% and 30% of the Dem vote when he ran...Rev. Phelps, the other famous wacko Dem/Leftist Reverend ...proud of the Church he heads? He's another Dem leader you seem to not mention much; I'd much rather listen to any talk show host than either of those fine Left Wing leaders...
How convenient...:rofl:

The future head of the Republican Party

they're too bat shit crazy right wing for even fox news!

Hey,it's the Democrat Party Brain Trust ...nothing like knowing what you're talking about...!:rofl:

Hey, HM...tell us about Ruby Ridge again! You're obviously sooo happy to have found something to show how crazies wrongly blamed Clinton and Reno ...over and over.

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Again, I totally related to Larry Craig!

Did you remotely read what both he and then I also said?
Do you understand how much I relate to Craig, including his actions and responses?

I wear suits regularly, so I have to spread wide to avoid my pants falling down, let alone as I get older, it also helps with the flow. The stalls are more and more narrow. Again, read what I said!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh STOP! STOP!! I can't breathe...I can't breathe....

Dude I'm 6'2 and I've wore slacks and suit pants in public restroom stalls (no matter how small) too and the only way on earth my hand and feet are invading the space of another stall is if I'm trying to do windmill exercises or I'm trying. I've never, ever, ever even came close to having any part of my body go from one stall to the other. But hey, I guess you and he are special.:1orglaugh

Entrapment is wrong because innocent people are also caught in the middle.

Everyone agrees that what the officer was doing was entrapment and wrong.

I also pick up trash off the floor like Craig, because I care about the cleanliness of my local airport and other facilities.

Then I'm just as stupid and as much of a fool as Craig. Or maybe we just live in different worlds from people like yourself.

Siighhhh. A.) You obviously don't know what constitutes entrapment. B.) In the interest of your personal health, I would strongly suggest you leave picking up random pieces of toilette paper off of the floor of a public restrooms to the people paid to clean them. I mean sheeesh:1orglaugh C.) I agree. You and Craig live in vastly differently worlds than the one I live in if it's commonplace for you to be touching other peoples feet, picking up random pieces of toilette paper and running your hands under the adjacent stalls in public restrooms. Nooo disagreement there.

Lastly, the officer Mirandized Craig...If Craig doesn't know he has the right to keep his trap shut..then he doesn't deserve to be a US Congressman IMO. I know in some cases the charge is a quasi conviction in the minds of some people but if I'm remotely innocent...there is no way I'm going to cop to something that...ESPECIALLY if I'm a US Congressman.

Craig has been link to homosexual rumors for along time....Where there's smoke....

 

[Facetious]

I told ya ! :rofl2:

 

[Hot Mega]

Are you talking about Rev Wright, the esteemed 20+ year pastor of Obama's church, the pastor who married him and Michelle? ...now there's a real wacko nutjob! I'll bet you absolutely believed Obama when he said he had no idea how the Rev felt and spoke about White America.:rofl:
Have you forgotten another famous Democrat, one who has run on the Dem ticket in Kansas and gotten 16% and 30% of the Dem vote when he ran...Rev. Phelps, the other famous wacko Dem/Leftist Reverend ...proud of the Church he heads? He's another Dem leader you seem to not mention much; I'd much rather listen to any talk show host than either of those fine Left Wing leaders...
How convenient...:rofl:

Hmm plenty interesting but the difference I see here is these people, whatever the problems be with their perspectives...are confined to fairly small scale operations. Who heard of Rev. Jeremiah Wright before it was discovered he pastored Obama's church????