Jesus was a socialist

[assari]

says this man and I agree.

 

[Jack Davenport]

He was a Jewish carpenter.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

 

[georges]

what a lame thread :lame:

 

[assari]

He was a Jewish carpenter.

So he belonged to the working class.

what a lame thread :lame:

Get a job.

 

[HehehehehehehehehehahaHyena]

Socialism is the sermon on the mount applied.

Clement Attlee

 

[assari]

Clement Attlee

Wikipedia say that he was most effective British prime minister.

 

[abc432123]

The difference between Jesus' teaching and socialism is CHOICE.
You have the choice to share out of your blessings, give to the poor, spend time with the needy.
Socialism is force - it's me taking your money and time, and forcing you to give to those that I determine worthy of it. Worse than the moral issue in it is that it is ineffective. Eventually I will be bribed by the rich to take from their competitors and give to them, or to take from one race and give to another, or to take a profitable business and give to my relatives.

Jesus's teachings are predicated upon a society being free and private property being protected. You cannot give your money if it all belongs to the state to begin with. Charity is a choice, socialism is slavery.

 

[assari]

Jesus's teachings are predicated upon a society being free and private property being protected. You cannot give your money if it all belongs to the state to begin with. Charity is a choice, socialism is slavery.

Ok, but I do not understand why the socialist system would be the same thing as slavery.

 

[Elwood70]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ace Boobtoucher again

 

[abc432123]

Ok, but I do not understand why the socialist system would be the same thing as slavery.

If you don't own your own property, your decisions in life and made for you by your 'superiors' (the govt.), and your individual rights are secondary to the rights as those defined by the govt., you are living a dictionary definition of a slave.
The freedom to make your own choices, prices, and lifestyles are minimum conditions of leading a free life. A socialist system takes all of these away. The moment any entity claims that it has rights to your property, money, or time to define how it should be spent, you are entering into the realm of slavery.

 

[assari]

If you don't own your own property, your decisions in life and made for you by your 'superiors' (the govt.), and your individual rights are secondary to the rights as those defined by the govt., you are living a dictionary definition of a slave.
The freedom to make your own choices, prices, and lifestyles are minimum conditions of leading a free life. A socialist system takes all of these away.

The socialist government has often dominated Finland, but I have not noticed that they would try to limit the private ownership or anything else.

I think that you mean the communist system which restricts the freedom of the individual in many ways.

 

[HehehehehehehehehehahaHyena]

Wikipedia say that he was most effective British prime minister.

Wikipedia asks it's users to donate. That makes you a Capitalist for citing it :Mad:

The difference between Jesus' teaching and socialism is CHOICE.
You have the choice to share out of your blessings, give to the poor, spend time with the needy.
Socialism is force - it's me taking your money and time, and forcing you to give to those that I determine worthy of it. Worse than the moral issue in it is that it is ineffective. Eventually I will be bribed by the rich to take from their competitors and give to them, or to take from one race and give to another, or to take a profitable business and give to my relatives.

Jesus's teachings are predicated upon a society being free and private property being protected. You cannot give your money if it all belongs to the state to begin with. Charity is a choice, socialism is slavery.

The socialist government has often dominated Finland, but I have not noticed that they would try to limit the private ownership or anything else.

I think that you mean the communist system which restricts the freedom of the individual in many ways.

Tell me about hte last time you chose to support failing corporations in your "Capitalist" country.

 

[abc432123]

The socialist government has often dominated Finland, but I have not noticed that they would try to limit the private ownership or anything else.

I think that you mean the communist system which restricts the freedom of the individual in many ways.

That's because you are confusing 2 separate things:

Capitalism and Socialism are economic systems.
A Republic and a Communist state are governmental systems.

A Republic can choose to have socialism as its economic system. In such a nation, people are socially free with minimal 'police force', while being economic slaves (extreme taxation for example). These type of coutries often tend to be prosperous despute being 'socialist' because they don't actually seek to aggressively enforce many of the ideas they officially endorse.

A Communist/Dictatorial government can choose to protect individual rights, and have a capitalistic economic system. To give you an example, China has gone from being EXTREMELY socialistic, to being largely a free economy. To the point that Coca-Cola's CEO explained that it is easier to start a business in China than it is in US. While such places DO exist, they often have an out of control government and social injustice (like enforcing one-child policy).


Finland is an example of a place where the government really doesn't enforce a whole lot of things because it doesn't need to. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that people there are not living in a free society.

To sum the whole thing up, free-market Capitalism (not crony-capitalism like US practices today) is a necessary condition for freedom. However, it is not a sufficient condition for freedom and requires a socially free society as well.

 

[assari]

Finland is an example of a place where the government really doesn't enforce a whole lot of things because it doesn't need to. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that people there are not living in a free society.

Ok, interesting comment. (wtf)

Which country has a "free society"?