Justice nominee: Pregnancy 'involuntary servitude'

[stampede2873]

Dozens of members of Congress have signed a letter to President Obama asking him to rescind his nomination of Dawn Johnsen to the Justice Department's Office of Legal Council.

They cite her radical pro-abortion views, including her description of pregnancy as slavery.

"She's compared pregnancy to slavery and described it as involuntary servitude," Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, says. "She's compared women to no more than a fetal container."

King said Johnsen also has described pro-life activists as terrorists.

The letter he and more than five dozen other members of Congress have signed and sent to Obama asks the president to withdraw the nomination.

In Obama's short tenure in office, he's already reversed the long-standing Mexico City Policy so that U.S. taxpayer dollars now can be used for abortion overseas.

He's also worked on a plan to rescind the right of doctors and physicians to not provide abortion services if it conflicts with their own religious beliefs. In addition, he has promised to work on a plan to overturn all abortion restrictions nationwide.

King noted when Obama rescinded the Mexico City Policy Jan. 23, he stated, "No matter what our views, we are united in our determination to prevent unintended pregnancies, reduce the need for abortion and support women and families in the choices they make. To accomplish these goals, we must work to find common ground."

"If President Obama is in any way serious about finding common ground on abortion, he should immediately withdraw his nomination of Dawn Johnsen to head the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel," King said.

He cited her arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court that, "The woman is constantly aware for nine months that her body is not wholly her own: the state has conscripted her body for its own ends. Thus, abortion restrictions, 'reduce pregnant women to no more than fetal containers.'"

and this was Obamas personal choice?? She's a fruitloop!!

Yes make women feel that giving birth is slavery, then we can give reason to "genetically engineer" children.

Between this chick and the other dufus that claims the population is already hyper extended, does it really make you wonder why some of us call Obama's decision making skills out.

 

[Friday on my mind]

The only fruit loops are the people like Rep King and his ilk.I saw him on C-span last night ranting about this and abortion and these guys are just nuts.She is right, women not being able to have reproductive choice is a form of slavery as in "barefoot and pregnant".
Pro-life is pro insanity and pro the demise of the human race with overpopulating the planet.Thankfully we have some sane non religious dogma types in the govt now with rational judgement abilities trying to enlighten the masses to the truth of the situation.Unlike the previous president and republicans like King and others.

 

[stampede2873]

I believe that women should have a choice, and abortion should be part of that choice, but calling pregnancy slavery and women "fetal containers" is abominally stupid.

 

[bodie54]

It appears the source here is worldnetdaily.

Before I comment I'd like to know exactly which abortion restrictions Dawn Johnsen believes "reduce pregnant women to no more than fetal containers"; specifics the article fails to detail.

 

[stampede2873]

Yes, the article came from worldnetdaily.

Dawn Johnson believes any and all restrictions should be eliminated. As for the article itself, that's all there was.

Let me be clear....

Abortion is a choice for any and all women...

....but this woman is inconcievably stupid, arrogant, and narrow.

 

[Friday on my mind]

It appears the source here is worldnetdaily.

Before I comment I'd like to know exactly which abortion restrictions Dawn Johnsen believes "reduce pregnant women to no more than fetal containers"; specifics the article (probably not surprisingly) fails to detail.

King and a NJ Rep named Smith held a special order session in the house the other night ranting for hours about abortion ,the dems and Obama.What they advocate is a total ban on abortion as the republican platform has called also for many years.What Johnson is saying I think and I agree is that any restriction at any time on a womans right to do with as she pleases with her body in regards to this issue makes her an involuntary slave and a forced fetal container.People may not like the sound of that but its hard to argue the basic truth of it.Its her body and the govt needs to leave such things to her conscious and her choice.
I found the image of these 2 men (King and Smith) debating the issue almost nauseating.Really men should have almost zero say in the matter especially when they are advocating what those 2 are as it is not them that have to carry and bear children.

These republicans expect dems to work to find "common ground" with them on the issue is laughable.They want a total ban on all abortions and want the US to promote that all over the world.What possible common ground could be found with such people?

 

[stampede2873]

"No matter what our views, we are united in our determination to prevent unintended pregnancies, reduce the need for abortion and support women and families in the choices they make. To accomplish these goals, we must work to find common ground."

The common ground quote was from Obama, not a republican.

This issue will never go away... its just a fact. Repubs and Dems will never come to any form of common ground. They are "true believers" of their respective causes.

Regardless of what your or my opinion on abortion is, this woman is clearly not a good choice to head the legal council.

Also, doctors should not be forced to provide abortions if it conflicts with their beliefs. They should at minimum recommend a doctor that will provide the service the patient is looking for.

Any issue that is forced down peoples throats is likely to cause a tremendous blowback. Abortion is one of those issues that will immediately trigger such a response.

 

[bodie54]

Abortion is a choice for any and all women...

....but this woman is inconcievably stupid, arrogant, and narrow.

How so? The issue here is abortion rights, and you've stated twice now that you agree with her regarding a woman's right to chose :dunno:

Dawn Johnson believes any and all restrictions should be eliminated.

If that's the case (and I'll take your word for it) then I personally disagree with her when it comes to late term abortions.

Otherwise, while one may not like her choice of words (it's interesting to see the anti-pc crowd being so sensitive), I think she captured the sense of mandated/forced pregnancy pretty well, particularly in cases of incest and rape.

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_poll

Stirring things up, if it is really true, quite a change over the past few years..

 

[Skyraider22]

Wow it keeps getting better and better for us

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

NOW at work. Most of the women I know WANT a baby; go figure...

Is this lady that removed from reality that she really believes this shit? :dunno:

 

[calpoon]

she sounds like a nut....

But if you are a doctor and you don't want to perform abortions... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? It's not like every doctor can perform every type of medical function, so no one is going to ask, let alone force someone to do abortions if they aren't already doing them anyway. It makes no sense.

But for the sake of absurdity, let's assume that you do for some reason get a job in a clinic that performs abortions and for whatever reason you have to be the one that does it... but you are against abortion because of your personal viewpoint. Or better yet and more reasonably you live in some redneck county where no doctor will perform an abortion because they are all religious whackos. Is that right? Here's a fucking idea: why don't you put your patients desires in front of your own, or get the fuck out of the medical field.

If you think that is Ok, how about this one. Scientologists don't believe in psychiatric medication, so would it be Ok for a Scientologist psychiatrist to refuse to subscribe psychiatric medication to a patient that needed it, just because of their beliefs?

And You Might say, Ah ha! But women don't need to have abortions. Well you know that it is pretty common for a fertilized egg to get stuck in the fallopian tube or to detach from the uterus and as the fetus develops it can cause severe injury and even death to the woman unless it is removed. Funny that I never hear "pro-life" people talk about that.

 

[D-rock]

But if you are a doctor and you don't want to perform abortions... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? It's not like every doctor can perform every type of medical function, so no one is going to ask, let alone force someone to do abortions

But for the sake of absurdity, let's assume that you do for some reason get a job in a clinic that performs abortions and for whatever reason you have to be the one that does it... but you are against abortion because of your personal viewpoint. Or better yet and more reasonably you live in some redneck county where no doctor will perform an abortion because they are all religious whackos. Is that right? Here's a fucking idea: why don't you put your patients desires in front of your own, or get the fuck out of the medical field.

If you think that is Ok, how about this one. Scientologists don't believe in psychiatric medication, so would it be Ok for a Scientologist psychiatrist to refuse to subscribe psychiatric medication to a patient that needed it, just because of their beliefs?

Just to play devil's advocate couldn't it be argued that if your that against something it wouldn't make sense for a professional to get into that in the first place. A person that has religious beliefs against abortion shouldn't be a doctor that does them or even work in an abortion clinic in the first place, and if your a Scientologist then you shouldn’t be a psychiatrist. I think that different than making somebody that doesn't normally do something in those type of instances, do it when they are against it.

 

[TwatDetective]

I think Doctor's should have the right not to perform abortions, and employer's should have the right to fire their asses for not doing their jobs.

 

[bustybbwlover]

"She's compared women to no more than a fetal container."
i'd think that the republicans would like that