Karzai signs law 'legalising rape in marriage'

[stampede2873]

Telegraph Article

President Hamid Karzai has signed a law the UN says legalises rape in marriage and prevents women from leaving the house without permission.

The law, which has not been publicly released, is believed to state women can only seek work, education or doctor's appointments with their husband's permission.

Only fathers and grandfathers are granted custody of children under the law, according to the United Nations Development Fund for Women.

Opponents of the legislation governing the personal lives of Afghanistan's Shia minority have said it is "worse than during the Taliban".

Mr Karzai has been accused of electioneering at the expense of women's rights by signing the law to appeal to crucial Shia swing voters in this year's presidential poll.

While the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it also allows the Shia community, thought to represent 10 per cent of the population, the right to settle family law cases according to Shia law.

The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage, divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and bankruptcy.

The bill passed both houses of the Afghan parliament, but was so contentious that the United Nations and women's rights campaigners have so far been unable to see a copy of the approved bill.

Shinkai Zahine Karokhail, a female MP, said the law had been rushed through with little debate.

She told the Guardian newspaper: "They wanted to pass it almost like a secret negotiation, "There were lots of things that we wanted to change, but they didn't want to discuss it because Karzai wants to please the Shia before the election."

The Afghan justice ministry confirmed the law had been signed, but said it would not be published until technical difficulties had been overcome.

A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai would not comment

I have no words... but utter outrage.

 

[Gordar]

Is everyone 100% sure that country is better of now that the taliban are gone? Women can be raped when they're married, reporters are not allow to write or report certain things because they're offensive towards the islam...

At least with the taliban you knew in advance that you were dealing with religious fanatics...

But then again, the muhajedin have never been any better, so we could have known that stuff like this would happen as well....

Even though I dislike monarchies, I do believe that in this case the best option would have been to reinstall the former king (he's still around somewhere) and give him some limited power....

 

[D-rock]

Even though I dislike monarchies, I do believe that in this case the best option would have been to reinstall the former king (he's still around somewhere) and give him some limited power....

They could just be killed and told not to come up with any more stupid laws anymore. That would be better than a monarchy.

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

and reagan gave saddam hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds

 

[Baill Inneraora]

^^ and under him, America trained Al-Qaeda

 

[Gordar]

They could just be killed and told not to come up with any more stupid laws anymore. That would be better than a monarchy.

No, because then the next village idiot would take over and make laws so stupid the laws we shot the last guy for actually look reasonable...

 

[TITS KING]

Is everyone 100% sure that country is better of now that the taliban are gone? Women can be raped when they're married, reporters are not allow to write or report certain things because they're offensive towards the islam...

At least with the taliban you knew in advance that you were dealing with religious fanatics...

But then again, the muhajedin have never been any better, so we could have known that stuff like this would happen as well....

Even though I dislike monarchies, I do believe that in this case the best option would have been to reinstall the former king (he's still around somewhere) and give him some limited power....

My friend that King.......has passed away...in the recent year/2yrs....He was brought in after Taliban but was never given any power by the US....he was the person liked by the masses over there......but Karzai was made president(King)...and then so called election was...held......Karzai will remain in power for life time in power........b/c..US like him.....whatever he does over there is right.....in his time the production of opium has been drastically increased................

In my opinion the people over there should be given a chance.....but from Taliban to Karzai...the common man was never given a chance to choose ...their own leadership.............everytime the rulers are installed first and then the people are asked/forced to choose him.........In such a situation.....peace in that country couldn't become possible.....for the last 7 years.....we don't know..how long more.........as that country was initially destabalized around 1980......we still .........hope for peace...:crying::crying:

 

[calpoon]

You heard it here folks.

Stampede is against the UN...

And the UN is against rape....

So therefor stampede is saying that he supports rape.

(wow, these ad hominum twisted semantics arguments are fun, they can make other people say anything that you want them to, no wonder so many FO's members use them almost exclusively as a form of "logic." what have I been missing!)

 

[marquis2]

It's not that long ago since rape within marriage in the UK was deemed impossible.The thinking was that making marriage vows gave implicit permission to your spouse to have sex.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Telegraph Article




I have no words... but utter outrage.

While I think such laws and cultural customs are extremely regrettable and unenlightened I must say this.In another thread when someone mentioned what the rest of worlds opinion was about the US and Bush in particular you said something along the lines of that you didn't care what people in other countries thought and that they do not run the US and thier opinions are irelevent.Given that why would you expect people in Afghanistan or anywhere else to care how you or any other foreigner cares about the way they run their country?
Personally I do think that others opinions from wherever they may come from are of varying importance and both Afghanistan and the US for that matter need to take them into account.Oh and btw the opinion that Bush was a disaster as a president was also shared by an overwhelming percentage of americans as he had some of the lowest approval ratings in history.

 

[Member2019]

and reagan gave saddam hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds

As did other nations in Europe. The difference is that the US stopped selling to them in 1990. Many European nations did not (let alone the Russians).

 

[Member2019]

Oh and btw the opinion that Bush was a disaster as a president was also shared by an overwhelming percentage of americans as he had some of the lowest approval ratings in history.

As did the Democrat Congress in W.'s last two terms (far worse than the Republican Congress before it). We can play that game all day.

BTW Friday, can we stop talking about W. now? He's out of office. I know you feel the need to interject his name whenever you can, but it gets old.

 

[calpoon]

I agree let's focus on the shortcomings of the Taft administration, I think that they are the ones to blame for this recession.

 

[gunslingingbird]

Well, it's a good thing the camel countries are becoming civilized! Shit, I shudder to think what life would be like if they were still ruled by savages. Oh, wait, I forgot it's what Muhammad would do. Durka! Durka! Durka! Muhammad! Jihad! :ak47:

My friend that King.......has passed away...in the recent year/2yrs....He was brought in after Taliban but was never given any power by the US....he was the person liked by the masses over there......but Karzai was made president(King)...and then so called election was...held......Karzai will remain in power for life time in power........b/c..US like him.....whatever he does over there is right.....in his time the production of opium has been drastically increased................

In my opinion the people over there should be given a chance.....but from Taliban to Karzai...the common man was never given a chance to choose ...their own leadership.............everytime the rulers are installed first and then the people are asked/forced to choose him.........In such a situation.....peace in that country couldn't become possible.....for the last 7 years.....we don't know..how long more.........as that country was initially destabalized around 1980......we still .........hope for peace...:crying::crying:

Check your keyboard. I think your [.] key is broken. It's turning your otherwise brilliant posts into utter gibberish. :hatsoff:

 

[stampede2873]

You heard it here folks.

Stampede is against the UN...

And the UN is against rape....

So therefor stampede is saying that he supports rape.

(wow, these ad hominum twisted semantics arguments are fun, they can make other people say anything that you want them to, no wonder so many FO's members use them almost exclusively as a form of "logic." what have I been missing!)

Joke or not, that was the most assinine grouping of words ever uttered in the english language.

NEVER joke about rape and me supporting it.

... and you, calpoon, just showed your ass.

 

[Gordar]

Dam, I thought the guy was still alive... Oh well, maybe I should keep better track of the news.

The problem I have with Karzai is that he was part of the muhajedin...

 

[Skyraider22]

that is rough really rough

 

[calpoon]

... and you, calpoon, just showed your ass.

:moon:

whoops, I knew I shouldn't have let that guy take my pictures, but he told me that I would be a star.




anyway, here's the point of that post ------>


and down here's the top of your head :hatsoff:.

Do I really need to be clearer? I just hate it when the subtext rises to the top. no fun.

 

[stampede2873]

Is that supposed to be funny?

You think its funny to claim that someone endorses rape??????

Do you work to be that dim or does it come naturally?

You are a jackass of the highest calibur... no subtext needed on that.

or do you need a signing interpreter....

:thefinger

Moderators... CALPOON :ban:

 

[titsrock]

As did the Democrat Congress in W.'s last two terms (far worse than the Republican Congress before it). We can play that game all day.

BTW Friday, can we stop talking about W. now? He's out of office. I know you feel the need to interject his name whenever you can, but it gets old.

Hmm. Maybe we need another Professor Voluptuary fact check time? So, the Dems had control of Congress for W's last 2 terms? Really? I must have missed that. How many terms did W serve anyway? I thought it was only 2. I could be wrong?

This is the problem we face actually. Conservative-minded people, or "Neo Ron Paulian Centrists" seem to be changing history already and we've only had 1 Qtr of Obama's First term.

It appears that the Conservative members of this forum, as a collective, had no idea that Obama and the Dems didn't want to try to "tax cut and spending cut" our way out of the economic mess. The McCain Approach of "if we bury our head in the sand, maybe it will all blow over and we'll magically return to 1988" platform ain't really realistic. It's immature.

Grown ups are needed to make difficult decisions now.

As for this post--if true--it represents a sad setback in our "Democracy Building" in Afghan and it represents further why we are simply wasting our time and money in that part of the world.