Killed by US gunships

[ajitpd]

I wonder how much schooling does a suicide bomber need that joins al-queda

Lack of education is a must. Modern education and Science are sins although al-queda is very much interested in modern weaponry which was invented by science. What an irony. Superficial knowledge of religion is quite acceptable; however, total lack of religious knowledge is preferred. This way they can teach you "proper" ways and give you the "real guidance" to paradise. Thorough and deep understanding of Islam is dangerous and someone found in possession of such knowledge is condemned as infidel because such a person might not be willing to be a fan.

 

[iammaic]

Iammaic,


get your facts right, if you want to criticize people with different opinions.

The South-Ossetian War was started by thse country of Georgia, as a thorough report by the European Union found out:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,630543,00.html

You work very well around the fact that the sodliers in the gunship were not really matter-of-factly reacting to a situation like well-trained professionals, do, but, as you might remember, where cheering and begging to have a killing spree. And ultimatley, they showed how cold-blooded murderers they are, as there came that car and the bodies were tried to be taken away. WHERE WAS THE THREAT???

That was plain murder, even if we give them the benefit of the doubt they might be so stupid as to mistake a camera or two for guns.

look at the group of men that include the man with the striped shirt what are they carrying?? tell me one has a rifle plain and simple the man with the striped shirt. how about you watch the entire video and watch carefully they moved the camera away from the two men with the camera's, also the other man next to him is carrying something rather long and look at the tip of what he is carrying. resembles an RPG to me. I don't care who started the georgian war, I didn't see many dead russian soldiers on the ground from the various videos i saw of the incident i definately saw civilians on the ground, some mercenaries, and some soldiers unsure if they were georgian or not. where is rules of engagment their? do they have them?

also these pilot's did not swoop in and start shooting, look I am not saying what they did was right and they will face discipline for it. but don't go around and say they are murdurer's, if they did that yeah then throw them in jail. all these people are in combat, some reporters waltzing around like it's disney world. then they rush in with a van, who do you know who is in the van?? more people with weapons??

the threat is the weapons. and if you can't see them then you need glasses. police shoot people for having realistic toy guns and they are close by, what do you expect the cops to do hey let me look at that. also who cares if they were cheering or whatever, how about you go down to your nearest recruiting station and join if you never been in already and see how you react in combat.

 

[Supafly]

Still trying to talk around it.

You keep your opinion.

I know what I have witnessed.

 

[georges]

sometimes tragic shit happens and you can't sadly do nothing against it. May the victims rip.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I know this is a wee bit of a necro-post, but I can't believe no-one has picked up on this; I can't help remembering that the Somali's were rather fond of the yankies who bought aid into the country and made sure people got hold of it... until some guys in a Cobra (latest marine versions of which are apparently better than the Apache, incidently) opened fire on a building and crowd, killing innocents and leading to the famous black hawk down incident. The moral of the tale is: See before you shoot, or you'll be overwhelmed with targets.

 

[Moonchild22]

I didn't read the article. Frankly, I have no taste for journalism written in a narrative form.

I'm not joking.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Moonchild22]

No one can fully defend their actions, BUT -
The soldiers are constantly on guard. Everyone is a possible threat and it can come from anywhere. You see things that really do fuck your mind up. Eventually there are moments where you just hate everyone and blame the people for your having to be there. You don't know when you can get out of there. You lose all sense of morality and are simply the killing machine you were programmed to be. How long can you follow killing with remorse and maintain yourself? After a while you probably slip into the state where you don't see anyone as people but as targets. Like a horrible game you're stuck playing day and night. It might be the way they survive mentally...until they come home. Then, when and if they come home, they have a whole new world of problems. The military programs them to be these machines, but they haven't found a way to de-program them afterward. Probably because it can't be done. That's probably why, back in the days of swords and arrows, a warrior was a warrior until the day he died.

 

[HeartBroker]

...and then dug the bullets out of their bodies so they could cover up what they had done...

That'd sure make it look like "natural causes"!

:rofl2:

 

[Trident1]

Anyone who thinks war is cut and dry is a moron. A battlefield sends the human mind into sensory overload. Liberals who sit at home and bash the soldiers for not doing "this or that" live in La-La land. So to them I say, STFU and let the professionals do their job.

 

[Ulysses31]

No one can fully defend their actions, BUT -
The soldiers are constantly on guard. Everyone is a possible threat and it can come from anywhere. You see things that really do fuck your mind up. Eventually there are moments where you just hate everyone and blame the people for your having to be there. You don't know when you can get out of there. You lose all sense of morality and are simply the killing machine you were programmed to be. How long can you follow killing with remorse and maintain yourself? After a while you probably slip into the state where you don't see anyone as people but as targets. Like a horrible game you're stuck playing day and night. It might be the way they survive mentally...until they come home. Then, when and if they come home, they have a whole new world of problems. The military programs them to be these machines, but they haven't found a way to de-program them afterward. Probably because it can't be done. That's probably why, back in the days of swords and arrows, a warrior was a warrior until the day he died.

If this is the case then maybe the US military needs to overhaul the way they train or select their personnel before they embark on missions on foreign lands, if as you say the troops can't handle the situation then you are hardly going to win the support of the people you are supposedly helping. You also seem to concentrate on the 'poor soldiers' who have ultimately made their own decision to join the army and undertake such missions yet seem to ignore the innocent Iraqi/Aghan civilians who end up being effectively gunned down by foreign troops in their own homeland. If troops are not mentally fit to be professional soldiers then those troops need to be sent home now before more incidents like this happen, how many coalition troops have been killed since this incident in revenge attacks?

 

[Ulysses31]

Anyone who thinks war is cut and dry is a moron. A battlefield sends the human mind into sensory overload. Liberals who sit at home and bash the soldiers for not doing "this or that" live in La-La land. So to them I say, STFU and let the professionals do their job.

And what exactly is their job? Do you think Cameron and Obama know what the hell they are now doing in Iraq or Afghanistan, they talk of one thing only, the leaving timetable for the troops. I think this sums up how successful these campaigns have been, they want out ASAP as so many coalition troops are being killed daily that the media doesn't even report it anymore.

 

[Trident1]

And what exactly is their job? .

Do what their superiors order them to do.

 

[Ulysses31]

Do what their superiors order them to do.

And my point was their superiors haven't got a clue what they are doing themselves, they have no long term plan and seem to make up policy as they go along

 

[Zugzwang]

How can you say that there should be no ethical imperative in warfare? Warfare is a strategic attack against a target for achieving a goal- it's not just the indiscriminate killing of anyone that happens to be in the area or might be a threat. And it's not the justification for any action taken, which is why we have very explicit rules of conduct for combat engagements.

*cough* *cough*
they're supposed to bring democracy, peace and justice...

not playing turkey shoot

 

[Trident1]

And my point was their superiors haven't got a clue what they are doing themselves, they have no long term plan and seem to make up policy as they go along

Simplistic view.
The troops know what they're doing on the tactical level and that's all they care about. When you're on the ground you care only about who's to the left and right of you.

 

[Ulysses31]

Simplistic view.
The troops know what they're doing on the tactical level and that's all they care about. When you're on the ground you care only about who's to the left and right of you.

That's all rather futile when there is no overall strategy to actually win the war, for all their endeavors on the field of combat and the sacrifices of the fallen soldiers they are not getting any closer to THE END, they are just getting through day by day. It's like a soccer team playing some excellent football with lots of passing, dribbling and possession yet not getting anywhere near scoring an actual goal which might win them the game or going to work everyday yet never getting promoted or moving up. Rather sad all those lives that have been lost and are still being lost are in vain.

 

[Trident1]

still being lost are in vain.

Don't ever tell a vet that.:2 cents:

 

[vodkazvictim]

Simplistic view.
The troops know what they're doing on the tactical level and that's all they care about. When you're on the ground you care only about who's to the left and right of you.

The troops on the ground don't allways know what they're doing:

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N-1E2F9pmc

 

[Trident1]

The troops on the ground don't allways know what they're doing:

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N-1E2F9pmc

That's a fucking douchebag link buddy. Posting that when you weren't there and making assumptions based on butkus.

That's a no no.

 

[vodkazvictim]

That's a fucking douchebag link buddy. Posting that when you weren't there and making assumptions based on butkus.

That's a no no.

You're right, I'm sorry; please tell me how it went down