Liberal actress says tea parties were racist

[Facial_King]

Chef, I hope I answered your question thoroughly enough.

As for the probably cause issue, it's hard to tell if you're actually endorsing how the "probable cause" justification can be easily abused, or merely explaining how you see it. I hope it's the latter.

 

[ChefChiTown]

B) I actually ran my answers by a real, actual, live police officer before posting them, so, between your opinion and his, I'm going with his.

In your own words...

Wow, this is pretty much completely unverifiable.

Chef, I hope I answered your question thoroughly enough.

As for the probably cause issue, it's hard to tell if you're actually endorsing how the "probable cause" justification can be easily abused, or merely explaining how you see it. I hope it's the latter.

I'm not endorsing it at all. It's one of those things in our legal system that has such a huge loop hole that you can easily take advantage of. Any police officer who abuses that loop hole is not only an idiot, but a piece of crap as well.

I was just pointing out how loose "probable cause" really is. If you think about it, 99% of excuses and reasons can be interpreted as "probable cause". Is that fair? Eh, not really. But, we thank our legal system for that.

 

[Facial_King]

In your own words...

I'm not endorsing it at all. It's one of those things in our legal system that has such a huge loop hole that you can easily take advantage of. Any police officer who abuses that loop hole is not only an idiot, but a piece of crap as well.

I was just pointing out how loose "probable cause" really is. If you think about it, 99% of excuses and reasons can be interpreted as "probable cause". Is that fair? Eh, not really. But, we thank our legal system for that.

Wow, okay, good to know. Honestly, it sorta came off that way, but I guess that just goes to show how nuances of actual speech in conversation are often lost (so regrettably!) on the internets.

I'm gonna start a new thread regarding the recent SCOTUS decisions that tangentially relate to the issue of probable cause.

:hatsoff:

 

[hedonis]

I was just pointing out how loose "probable cause" really is. If you think about it, 99% of excuses and reasons can be interpreted as "probable cause". Is that fair? Eh, not really. But, we thank our legal system for that.

Can't even begin to speak for all other cops, but while I was one, and with ALL the ones I worked with, Probable cause was taken very, very seriously, because, as life isn't a prime time cop drama, there are consequences for actions, and when you arrest someone, or search someone, or their car, etc., you'd better DAMN well be able to articulate that probable cause.

Why?

Because first, you'll be grilled about it from whoever is in charge of you on the street that night. Then, you'll be grilled about it by other layers of management within the department, especially if it is a larger case.

Then, when you are going to turn that case in and file the charges (and sometimes filing the charges depends on this) you'll be grilled by the county attorney's office, because they want cases they can prosecute and win, and they almost never rely on last minute plot twists like Law & Order (in fact, they hate surprises). These are some of the worst you'll get- the county attorneys- because they don't want to look like dickheads, and so they want your cases to be so damn tight, they squeak when they walk.

Now, everything's set, and the charges are filed- we're goin' to trial!!! artysml:

But now, you're going to have AT LEAST a judge, but probably also a defense lawyer, and maybe even a jury looking at your probable cause for whatever it is you're doing.


So... it wasn't something we faked, dressed up, or just kind of made up as we went along. We were scared to death of not actually having it. And remember, there's an additional layer for police officers that exists before probable cause is even needed- and that's called "Reasonable Suspicion", and fully fleshed out (for legalese):

Reasonable suspicion to believe that criminal activity is afoot. Much looser than probable cause, but you also can't arrest based on reasonable suspicion, it can only lead you to either- the conclusion that everything's ok, or probable cause to search/detain/arrest.

And probable cause also has a neato keen little added feature called "Exigent Circumstances", which can best be described like "I knocked, announced we were police officers because of a report that a man was beating his wife. At that time, we didn't have a warrant, but when we knocked, we heard screaming, so we kicked in the door to investigate, and..."

I'm so glad I don't do that anymore......



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[Facial_King]

^^^

Thanks for that hedonis - quite interesting.

It's good to know that some cops (hopefully MOST) are taking it seriously. Cops need to be able to do their jobs, and do them effectively, but people needed to be protected from misuse and abuse from authorities, from the Barney Fife-meets-Chuck Norris characters out there....

For those interested, please see my new thread about the recent Supreme Court decision about car searches (since this thread really should return to its orig. topic... or just die):
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=295194

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

My hippie sister would constantly paraphrase Thomas Jefferson whenever we would discuss politics during the Bush years. Stuff like, "The truest form of patriotism is dissent." I don't believe that for a minute because the truest form of patriotism is to give your life for your country. But by her logic participation in the Tea Party here in Vegas was an act of patriotism. So you're welcome, smelly hippies.

 

[Neutron66]

I'm just seeing the OP for the first time...

The funniest thing about it is the idea that anyone has cared about anything Janeane Garofalo has said for the last five years.

 

[Friday on my mind]

My hippie sister would constantly paraphrase Thomas Jefferson whenever we would discuss politics during the Bush years. Stuff like, "The truest form of patriotism is dissent." I don't believe that for a minute because the truest form of patriotism is to give your life for your country. But by her logic participation in the Tea Party here in Vegas was an act of patriotism. So you're welcome, smelly hippies.

That reminds me of a scene from one of the greatest anti-war movies ever "Paths of Glory" directed by the great Stanley Kubrick.In the scene the french colonel played by Kirk Douglas is being given an impossible assignment to take the "ant hill" by his totally without morals general played brillliantly btw by George Macready.To make this short lets just say they get on the subject of patriotism and Douglas quotes the american revolutionary leader Samuel Johnson who said "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".While they were far from perfect people the founders said some very wise things sometimes IMO.
BTW as a progressive I have no problem with these tea parties ,they just better be able say definatively what they would do differently.If they just want to go back to the Bush/republican policys of tax breaks for the rich and screwing everybody else they will get nowhere.

 

[Larry Love]

Garofalo is a nutso. She's not any better than Hannity or Limbaugh. They are all on the extremes. But I have to admit it was a little hard not to notice during the coverage of the tea parties that the crowds were lilly White.

Why wasn't there more outrage when Bush and the Republicans were spending like nuts?

 

[ronpaulmyhero]

Bumping because I just saw came across this thread. A lot of people were conned by Obama. It isn't his fault, he was just so damn charismatic that people actually believed that he would bring real change to Washington D.C. and now that people realize that change was just a campaign slogan and not really happening so they are pissed off. I think the AIG Bonuses had a lot to do with people getting really pissed off beyond belief. We must remember that the Revolutinary War was fought because people in the colonies got tired of paying taxes on stuff that they thought were unfair. It really is amazing how after world war 1 the income tax came into effect and then several more taxes over the years and the people just accepted it because their was no news that showed bad spending but after all the bail outs and needless money spent on welfare and many other stupid government programs a lot of people have finally said screw it we do not want to pay taxes anymore.

 

[Hot Mega]

Why wasn't there more outrage when Bush and the Republicans were spending like nuts?

C'mon, we all know the answer to that is because the "felt" safe.

 

[skechers]

Bumping because I just saw came across this thread. A lot of people were conned by Obama. It isn't his fault, he was just so damn charismatic that people actually believed that he would bring real change to Washington D.C. and now that people realize that change was just a campaign slogan and not really happening so they are pissed off. I think the AIG Bonuses had a lot to do with people getting really pissed off beyond belief. We must remember that the Revolutinary War was fought because people in the colonies got tired of paying taxes on stuff that they thought were unfair. It really is amazing how after world war 1 the income tax came into effect and then several more taxes over the years and the people just accepted it because their was no news that showed bad spending but after all the bail outs and needless money spent on welfare and many other stupid government programs a lot of people have finally said screw it we do not want to pay taxes anymore.

Dude. It's only been a tiny little one hundred days. You have to remember, the man has taken office after one of the biggest screw up presidents we've ever had. Right now all he can do, is kind of buffer the bullshit as best he can, working with the hornets nest that he has.

All politcians lie, but give the man a little time before you nail him up to the cross.