mom fled with son after court orders him to get chemo

[thebear247]

Yeah I know. This subject I guess is a bit touchy for me. I have had cancer before. I chose the treatment I did because I thought it would work for me and it did. I just want people to have that same option. The right to choose your own medical care is such a personal act. I would never to be forced to do any treatment I did not want.

im so sorry to hear that jane im gald it worked all pornstar stuff aside your a very beautiful person inside and out . and i am honored to get to call you my friend

 

[lovejoy]

1. The issue really is the state is setting up RED LIGHT at intersection and handling out traffic tickets to millions even when you cross the intersection at 1:00 a.m. when I get off from work. There are no traffic on Sunday night/Monday morning at the intersection but if you miss the yellow and rush through the red light, you will automatically get a traffic ticket.

2. This case of a child having Hodgkins's disease is slightly different, the child "may" die if he does not receive chemotherapy and the state believes it is in the best interest of the boy to receive chemotherapy. Then why the state runs casino gambling halls, lottery tickets and even beer stores and wine stores? I don't have the best answer but clearly if you have prostate cancer, you can refuse chemotherapy and your life will absolutely NOT cut short at all despite you refuse treatment. How do you know a person under 18 can not make sound judgement?

 

[neighborboy]

There lies the question. Why does the government have the right to say they are superior to a persons religious beliefs? This mother is not refusing all treatments for her son, she wants to try natural remedies. It isn't like she is not willing to try something. Just because you or I may not like what she is doing does not mean it is wrong. Pretty soon the right to choose anything is not going to be allowed.

You're slipping between the rights of the mother and the rights of the child. I agree that the government should not have the right to dictate treatments for a grown adult. This kid is not a grown adult. I object to his mother making decisions for him with life or death implications before he has reached the age at which such decisions can be made. And here we have additional evidence that he has received a sub par education and does not understand the stakes of his condition.

This is not a slippery slope. It's not that different from the government mandating that all children receive an education. No child wants to go to school, yet I have no problem with the government forcing children to go to school (regardless of the opinions of the parent) since education prepares us to make decisions for themselves (as we are all doing right now) once we become adults.

Children are people too and should have rights independent of who their parents are. Children are not property. They may not be sold into slavery and they may not be beaten at the parent's whim. If a child has crazy parents, I have no problem with the state stepping in.

 

[neighborboy]

Yeah I know. This subject I guess is a bit touchy for me. I have had cancer before. I chose the treatment I did because I thought it would work for me and it did. I just want people to have that same option. The right to choose your own medical care is such a personal act. I would never to be forced to do any treatment I did not want.

I'm very sorry to hear that you had to experience this personally. Cancer is a cruel disease. I'm glad you made it.

 

[neighborboy]

Now we have a jury of peers convicting a woman for letting her daughter die for religious reasons. Not the big bad government, a jury of peers.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25526027-23109,00.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idOw7yXOoyaU14MWjkJIllXXjMoQD989K6E01

 

[ChefChiTown]

Now we have a jury of peers convicting a woman for letting her daughter die for religious reasons. Not the big bad government, a jury of peers.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25526027-23109,00.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idOw7yXOoyaU14MWjkJIllXXjMoQD989K6E01

Hmm, interesting. Terrible, but interesting.

I wonder how many people have different points of view on those two stories, when compared to their point of view to the original story in this thread, just because one involves "peers" and the other involves "the government".

 

[DJCowboy]

I think for these type of people they feel that if it cures naturally they feel then God wanted them to stay in this world, but if that person dies, then God wanted them where- or whatever the afterlife is, if there is one. I mean, who can say who is actually right? By possibly keeping this boy alive, they could be going against God's wishes and playing God themselves, but if there isn't a God then this boy is going to miss out on life based on a belief in a false purpose/deity

 

[Nester6]

Children don't have the maturity to make such decisions,thats why they have guardians.And parents who go against what the medical community knows to be his only real chance for survival are not doing their job as parents.Some people beleive in no medical treatment and think prayer and god is the answer,this is same time of parental neglect.Just because you are a parent does not give you unlimited rights especially when it is deemed to be not in the best interests/welfare of the child.

Excellent post. Since when did any prayer ever get answered? This child needs treatment and a crazy mother shouldn't have the right to prevent it.

 

[Wainkerr99]

Often in matters like these Government is torn between allowing parents the freedom to choose how their offspring may be cured, and preventing a heavier drain upon taxpayer money at some later stage.

Rather than be forced to spend money on healthcare, Government will insist tobacco usage be reduced, people be taught to sit up straight, to use their pharmaceuticals correctly, etc.

It is a narrow line to walk. One must allow individual freedom, yes, but not at public expense.

The next thing is the state gathers all the information who visits Freeones.com and they are put into watchful list and deeds dangerous to the society because anyone watches porn are "at risk" to commit sex crime. The state and its agents, the crown corporation and ministry/department intrudes into our bedroom and do 24 hours surveillance even when we take the bus, the subway and take a walk.

Hmmmm, yes. You, Blueballs and Artimus step this way please.

Seriously, though, I am aware that any one of the emails I send to England to family there could now be intercepted and read under the new law in England. Not nice. Scary, very very scary.

 

[thebear247]

an update on the story mom comes home and agrees son needs chemo

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30930715/?gt1=43001

 

[afkallthetiem]

Since it's illegal to kill yourself, is it illegal to not get treatment for an illness?

 

[dogbone27]

I think for these type of people they feel that if it cures naturally they feel then God wanted them to stay in this world, but if that person dies, then God wanted them where- or whatever the afterlife is, if there is one. I mean, who can say who is actually right? By possibly keeping this boy alive, they could be going against God's wishes and playing God themselves, but if there isn't a God then this boy is going to miss out on life based on a belief in a false purpose/deity

This is where alot of religions people like that boy parents take their views for God too far. They need to realize that God have doctors , lawyers , Cops and all kind of people that work for him. I'm sure God doesn't want that kid to die.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Since it's illegal to kill yourself, is it illegal to not get treatment for an illness?

In two states assisted suicide is legal. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jBmxy9NjETAMLk3i4zReo5KVlV8w

 

[afkallthetiem]

It's illegal to kill yourself unassisted and it doesn't really answer what I asked. If you know you have a disease that can potentially kill you, should it be illegal to not seek treatment if you know about it since you are basically killing yourself?

 

[calpoon]

I have an idea.

First take the kid away from his bat shit ass crazy mother.

Then give him the treatment. But wait...

Once he turns 18, give him cancer again and then he can decide for himself if he wants treatment for it or not.

 

[Jane Burgess]

It's illegal to kill yourself unassisted and it doesn't really answer what I asked. If you know you have a disease that can potentially kill you, should it be illegal to not seek treatment if you know about it since you are basically killing yourself?

No. You have a right to not seek treatment. If it is an adult, and they are mentally balanced then it should not be illegal.

 

[afkallthetiem]

How's that different from suicide? It's basically suicide, I don't get the double standard.

What Im referring to is how if you jump off a bridge for example, and survive and youre caught in the act, you go to prison, atleast here in arizona as you may or may not know. But this isn't one of our goofy backwards cowboy laws either, this is a nationwide law, that probably just never gets enforced.

I kind of agree with you, that someone should have the choice not to seek treatment, but I also think that law is dumb cause how the fuck you gona put someone in prison for attempting suicide (unassisted).

 

[Jane Burgess]

How's that different from suicide? It's basically suicide, I don't get the double standard.

I don't think suicide should be illegal. No double standard from me. :thumbsup:

 

[afkallthetiem]

Ditto.

 

[feller469]

Suicide isn't illegal. Attempting and not succeeding is what gets you in legal trouble. No one has ever been locked up for committing suicide.