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NBA 10'/11' Thread.

Icewater Jones

Icewater Jones

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Icewater Jones said:
Oh, it should... for sure. Jordan wouldn't have let any team he was a part of get sodomized on national TV like this.
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girk1 said:
Jordan has got swept as well.On national tv. The guy is not a God ,man.


Phil Jackson claims Kobe is as good and is actually more skilled. I'll take his word over uninformed people who worship MJ.
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girk1 said:
One sided 'half truths'?:1orglaugh

You are the one who says MJ never got swept on national TV and that was FALSE because I watched the series. Then you come back with a list of conditions because you can't dispute that FACT. That was a fact MJ got swept on National TV and allegedly refused to shoot in the 2nd half of that loss(sound familiar?)

MJ didn't lose nor win those series by himself and neither those Kobe for that matter. Takes a team to win and take an ass kicking as well.

It isn't only my opinion ,but also Phil Jackson's opionion that Kobe is just as good as MJ and more skilled.

It's MJ worshippers like you who can't let go of the past and have a relevant NBA discussion ,especially involving the Lakers without his name popping up.

Kobe is Kobe. Let it go. :horse:

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I know you really don't know how MJ's balls taste. You only dream about it.
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Dude, it's called 'reading comprehension'... look into it.

Where in my original post do I say MJ never got swept? Where did I even use the WORD 'swept'? Somehow, someway, in your very next post you come at me with 'Jordan has got swept as well.' I am still wondering how the hell you get off attaching words to my quotes that aren't there?

By the way, Jordan never idly sat and watched his team get assaulted by 36 in any playoff game...ever...especially not a closeout game. It seems to me that in your world, all losses are equal. Again, if that is how you feel, I'm not gonna debate with you on that. It's also funny that I have posted here countless times without talking about Jordan, but anytime Jordan is mentioned and I comment, YOU aren't far behind.

You also forget that the original post stating that the MJ/Kobe comparisons should cease WAS NOT MADE BY ME! Did you look into any of this, because it seems like you are trying to target me. I've personally never had a stalker, but I gotta admit, there is a part of me that is kinda flattered...

...but there is another part of me that is concerned that the imagery of my mouth on Michael Jordan's balls seems to be at the forefront of your mind. At first I thought it was just your pathetic attempt at 5th grade humor, but now I'm starting to wonder if it is just your way of saying what you couldn't to anyone else. Well, I hope is comfy in that closet, at least.
 
Icewater Jones

Icewater Jones

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P0rsch391 said:
In my opinion, people should not compare MJ and Kobe, they are two different person and different legends of their own era. MJ is good and so is Kobe. and pretty soon people is going to compare Derick Rose to Kobe or MJ. That's just not fair. They have different talents.

Lakers sweep is not just because of Kobe. If you do the match up, Dallas line up is really damn good compare to what Lakers have now. Who knows that Jason Terry can still pull the team up! Fisher can't do that LOL. Just my opinion :)

On the other hand, Which team do you think is going to the finals. I hope Bulls will defeat Miami if Boston got screwed
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You are right, but the two shouldn't be compared, but they are. This comparison is based on the differences in the way Jordan would perform as opposed to the way Kobe did. This is unfair, because we don't know exactly how Jordan would have performed in Kobe's spot, but my opinion (which is based on previous performances and situations) is that Jordan would not have gone into a game, down 3-0, and come out with a 36 pt. loss working with that same Laker team. Not all losses are equal, and that loss was (as admitted by Mitch Kupchak) highly embarrassing.

The Lakers getting swept is not 100% soley on Kobes back. In fact, I don't even think it's 50%. The Lakers as a team were grossly out executed, point blank. Gasol and the bench were almost non-existent in that series.

As far as who is going to win it all, it's really hard to say right now, because this playoffs has been bizarre from the jump. My hope is for a Chicago/OKC final, because Chicago is my hometown team and I think that's the most exciting possible matchup. Heat/Mavs is a close second in my mind for excitement factor.
 
Icewater Jones

Icewater Jones

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P0rsch391 said:
the problem is that Lakers GM didn't upgrade their line up in the first place. All teams upgraded their rosters. Look what Dallas line up have now compare to what they have last year. They got the best bench scoring players.

Miami too on the otherhand and Boston adn so with Bulls. upgraded their rosters. Lakers didn't do anything at all to balance their team. They just put their trust on Gasol and Kobe. If I were the GM I have let go Bynum and Odom in trade for better young centers. that's just me :)
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The Lakers orginization obviously felt that this team was absolutely ready to defend, but I've disagreed all year. The Laker bench minus Sasha and Farmar is below sub-par. Kobe was not 100%. Bynum was oft injured. There were a lot of issues that could have been patched up with one or two pickups. The Jazz seemed to have a fire sale in the past year, and I thought the Lakers should have jumped in on that. Guys like Baron Davis and Antawn Jamison who were looking for a way out would've been good.
 
CapitalOne

CapitalOne

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STDiva

STDiva

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P0rsch391 said:
the problem is that Lakers GM didn't upgrade their line up in the first place. All teams upgraded their rosters. Look what Dallas line up have now compare to what they have last year. They got the best bench scoring players.

Miami too on the otherhand and Boston adn so with Bulls. upgraded their rosters. Lakers didn't do anything at all to balance their team. They just put their trust on Gasol and Kobe. If I were the GM I have let go Bynum and Odom in trade for better young centers. that's just me :)
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In all fairness, Cupcake (and most people) thought Blake was an upgrade over Farmar. Farmar wanted to start or leave, and we all know Phil wasn't going to start Farmar.

Also, L.A had Vujacic on their roster this season but he was being out performed heavily by Barnes and Brown at the time of the trade. If any GM has an opportunity to trade a $5,000,000 9th man for an extra big for 5x less money, they make that trade.

There is no need to blow this team up. There is so much talent that wasn't utilized properly because of the triangle. Artest, Blake, Brown were all confused and weren't confident in their ability to create their own shot. We have Devin Ebanks. The guy is a more polished, stronger Trevor Ariza. Great defender and can cut to the basket. Fisher needs to go to the bench too. A new coach and a killer 3 point shooter is all I really want next year.

All that said, if we have an opportunity to get CP3 or Howard, they have to take it. Bynum proved he's the 2nd best center in the league when he's healthy. If you're going to lose your all star center or point guard, why not replace them with Bynum?
 
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Icewater Jones said:
Dude, it's called 'reading comprehension'... look into it.

Where in my original post do I say MJ never got swept? Where did I even use the WORD 'swept'? Somehow, someway, in your very next post you come at me with 'Jordan has got swept as well.' I am still wondering how the hell you get off attaching words to my quotes that aren't there?

By the way, Jordan never idly sat and watched his team get assaulted by 36 in any playoff game...ever...especially not a closeout game. It seems to me that in your world, all losses are equal. Again, if that is how you feel, I'm not gonna debate with you on that. It's also funny that I have posted here countless times without talking about Jordan, but anytime Jordan is mentioned and I comment, YOU aren't far behind.

You also forget that the original post stating that the MJ/Kobe comparisons should cease WAS NOT MADE BY ME! Did you look into any of this, because it seems like you are trying to target me. I've personally never had a stalker, but I gotta admit, there is a part of me that is kinda flattered...

...but there is another part of me that is concerned that the imagery of my mouth on Michael Jordan's balls seems to be at the forefront of your mind. At first I thought it was just your pathetic attempt at 5th grade humor, but now I'm starting to wonder if it is just your way of saying what you couldn't to anyone else. Well, I hope is comfy in that closet, at least.
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Kobe would never play on a team with 3 consecutive losing seaosns like MJ.:dunno:

Kobe would never get SWEPT in the 1st rd consecutive seasons like MJ.


Kobe would never miss the playoffs in consecutive seasons like MJ.

:dunno:

I could go on and on... ... but it's a bunch of pointless unprovable bullshit.:dunno:Why not just judge the guy on his own merits?


Lakers aren't given that title back they won last season because it was a close 7 game series and it's just as painful as(or maybe more if you ask) losing by 30 if you asks the Celtics players.

A loss is a loss especially in SERIES.

Besides that you made some good points about the Lakers team.
 
Icewater Jones

Icewater Jones

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girk1 said:
Kobe would never play on a team with 3 consecutive losing seaosns like MJ.:dunno:

Kobe would never get SWEPT in the 1st rd consecutive seasons like MJ.


Kobe would never miss the playoffs in consecutive seasons like MJ.

:dunno:

I could go on and on... ... but it's a bunch of pointless unprovable bullshit.:dunno:Why not just judge the guy on his own merits?


Lakers aren't given that title back they won last season because it was a close 7 game series and it's just as painful as(or maybe more if you ask) losing by 30 if you asks the Celtics players.

A loss is a loss especially in SERIES.

Besides that you made some good points about the Lakers team.
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You're right... it is unprovable, but my opinion is stated as such. I personally believe that all the above statements would be false if Kobe:

A: Had to play with those Bulls teams that got swept
B: Played against that level of competition.

Let's not forget those key important factors when comparing the two. Kobes Laker teams at the start of his career are far better than Mike's Bulls which featured the likes of Brad Sellers, Dave Corzine, and Granville Waiters amongst others in his first 5 years. Overall, it's no diss to Kobe. After all, we are comparing him to the consensus greatest player ever. Honestly, nobody really compares to Kobe and his career.
 
Icewater Jones

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luvtheladies said:
Chicago is DRose and....sometimes another guy.
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STDiva said:
And the best D in the league.
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squallumz said:
yeah. like boozer. and noah. and korver. oh and gibson.
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It's pretty scary when you think about the fact that this is the Bulls first year with this group. The Bulls still have draft picks to work with, and is an attactive place to play. Don't be suprised if Chicago jumps in as a landing spot for Dwight Howard via trade. I expect Chicago to package Boozer and Brewer along with Charlotte's protected draft pick and another future pick for Dwight and another player.
 
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