NC Activist can warn students about military

[Will E Worm]

ACLU: NC Activist can warn students about military.

A rural North Carolina school district with a proud military tradition has surrendered to a Quaker peace activist's request for access to high school students so she can warn them about joining the military, attorneys said Wednesday.

For years, Sally Ferrell had been asking permission to talk to students about alternatives to joining the military. The Wilkes County School Board had denied her access, even though military recruiters are typically allowed in school, and the superintendent had called her activities unpatriotic.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which argued that Ferrell's plight was a matter of free speech, said attorneys reached a settlement this week with school officials granting the group, North Carolina Peace Action, the same opportunities as military recruiters.

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I have to agree with the ACLU.

Is this part of "No child left behind." Recruiting your children to die in an unjustifiable war?

 

[Friday on my mind]

Good for you Will E.The ACLU is usually right lol.Great group who defend all sides rights!:thumbsup:

 

[Neutron66]

Regardless of your opinion of war or the military it's yet another example of people screaming about freedom of speech when it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

The chick can say anything she wants. It's up to the school to decide whether or not to allow her to say her piece on their property.

 

[Will E Worm]

Good for you Will E.The ACLU is usually right lol.Great group who defend all sides rights!:thumbsup:

I agree with them on some issues.

Regardless of your opinion of war or the military it's yet another example of people screaming about freedom of speech when it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

The chick can say anything she wants. It's up to the school to decide whether or not to allow her to say her piece on their property.

So, the military can come in and tell their side and no one else can have an opposing view?

Think again and it's the public school, free speech is for everyone not just the people you disagree with.

Unless they are trying to take away rights and freedoms.

 

[Neutron66]

So, the military can come in and tell their side and no one else can have an opposing view?

Think again and it's the public school, free speech is for everyone not just the people you disagree with.

Unless they are trying to take away rights and freedoms.

It's a public school but you don't have to send your kids there.

It's up to the school to decide if the military comes or not.

I don't see schools allowing white supremecy groups to come and talk. Why not? Freedom of speech!!!

 

[Friday on my mind]

It's a public school but you don't have to send your kids there.

It's up to the school to decide if the military comes or not.

I don't see schools allowing white supremecy groups to come and talk. Why not? Freedom of speech!!!

If they allowed black supremecy groups then you might have a point.It's about equal time for both sides of an issue.Gonna allow the military to recruit allow for an opposing view.They could have probably gone the other way and just banned the military recruiters.

 

[Will E Worm]

It's a public school but you don't have to send your kids there.

It's up to the school to decide if the military comes or not.

I don't see schools allowing white supremecy groups to come and talk. Why not? Freedom of speech!!!

So, they are going to keep the military out? Since when?

Where are you going to send your children to school? Unless you agree with me about home schooling?

I don't agree with many groups, but if it's free speech, yes they should be allowed to speak and another groups can then come in and speak against them.

 

[Member2019]

Think again and it's the public school, free speech is for everyone not just the people you disagree with.

As long as she's not guilty of libel or slander, then it's free speech. That's always been my problem with people, they tend to stretch and, eventually, break the truth. They also tend to stalk and harass people, trying to get them to change their position.

If you tell a military recruiter "no," then they have to leave you alone. If they don't, then they are not allowed back on campus. If more than one recruiter causes such an issue, the entire branch could be disallowed on campus. As long as they apply that equally to all people, then I'd say we're fine. But when they let someone on-campus that guilts those who join, and harasses them, that's a different story.

I saw that first hand with two of my fellow wrestling teammates in high school who enlisted in the Marines. I was going for a Marine ROTC (although I was not selected). It came from a volunteer who used another avenue to harass students and claimed "free speech" and "free access" -- explicitly stating just like the military. She was also associated with individual who were, in many cases, older (failed several years) and protesting everything, including the Galileo launch with a RTG (which got my picture in the paper because I debate them, alone, on the scientific facts).

Because of my status at my high school as someone of unbias and a staunch Libertarian, who regularly stood up for their rights to protest (even the Galileo launch), while having a strong science background, I was often used a reference in these on-going issues. At one point I finally said it, "this woman is harassing people who have already made a contractual obligation." She was eventually banned from campus as a result of my finally pointing that out, hesitant to seemingly "take sides" prior. It was that one fact, that she was talking to students that had already made a contractual obligation that could not be undone, that finally caused me to recommend it.

All I can say is if the ACLU got behind this woman, then she's probably not an example that would embarrass them. But let's all remember it's not about "preventing people from fighting in an allegedly unjustified war." It's about free speech. It's when people make it political, and not about the individual, that it's a problem. The idea here is to help people think and make choices for themselves. It's not to make them an activist as well. I have the same problem with Bible thumpers and any other type of activist. They focus on membership and size, instead of information and thought.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Quaker chicks can be quite hot. :rubbel: Sometimes, if you agree with them fervently enough, you can get in their pants.

 

[24788]

Only years from now can tell us if it was worth it to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

So the students have to sign up to listen to her as they do for the recruiters? I hope that's the case and they aren't forcibly indoctrinated in either direction.