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New California Hand Gun Ammo Bill Dead,"Unconstitutional"

Mauser98k

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for anybody else interested.

this was such a horses ass law i'm glad it's been killed. chalk up a victory for my side


COURT GRANTS NRA / CRPA FOUNDATION MOTION, INVALIDATES UNCONSTITUTIONAL AMMUNITION REGULATION STATUTE THAT WOULD HAVE BANNED MAIL ORDER AMMO SALES & REQUIRED AMMO SALES REGISTRATION

In a dramatic ruling giving gun owners a win in an National Rifle Association / California Rifle and Pistol (CRPA) Foundation lawsuit, this morning Fresno Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Hamilton ruled that AB 962, the hotly contested statute that would have banned mail order ammunition sales and required all purchases of so called “handgun ammunition” to be registered, was unconstitutionally vague on its face. The Court enjoined enforcement of the statute, so mail order ammunition sales to California can continue unabated, and ammunition sales need not be registered under the law.

The lawsuit was prompted in part by the many objections and questions raised by confused police, ammunition purchasers, and sellers about what ammunition is covered by the new laws created by AB 962. In a highly unusual move that reflects growing law enforcement opposition to ineffective gun control laws, Tehama County Sheriff Clay Parker is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit. Other plaintiffs include the CRPA Foundation, Herb Bauer Sporting Goods, ammunition shipper Able’s Ammo, collectible ammunition shipper RTG Sporting Collectibles, and individual Steven Stonecipher. Mendocino Sheriff Tom Allman also supported the lawsuit.

The ruling comes just days before the portion of the law that bans mail order sales of so called “handgun ammunition” was set to take effect on February 1, 2011. The lawsuit, Parker v. California is funded exclusively by the NRA and the CRPA Foundation. If it had gone into effect, AB 962 would have imposed burdensome and ill conceived restrictions on the sales of ammunition. AB 962 required that “handgun ammunition” be stored out of the reach of customers, that ammunition vendors collect ammunition sales registration information and thumb-prints from purchasers, and conduct transactions face-to-face for all deliveries and transfers of “handgun ammunition.” The lawsuit successfully sought the declaration from the Court that the statute was unconstitutional, and successfully sought the injunctive relief prohibiting law enforcement from enforcing the new laws.

The lawsuit alleged, and the Court agreed, that AB 962 is unconstitutionally vague on its face because it fails to provide sufficient legal notice of what ammunition cartridges are “principally for use in a handgun,” and thus is considered “handgun ammunition” that is regulated under AB 962. It is practically impossible, both for those subject to the law and for those who must enforce it, to determine whether any of the thousands of different types of ammunition cartridges that can be used in handguns are actually “principally for use in” or used more often in, a handgun. The proportional usage of any given cartridge is impossible to determine, and in any event changes with market demands. In fact, the legislature itself is well aware of the vagueness problem with AB 962's definition of "handgun ammunition" and tried to redefine it via AB 2358 in 2010. AB 2358 failed in the face of opposition from the NRA and CRPA based on the proposal’s many other nonsensical infringements on ammunition sales to law abiding citizens.

Constitutional vagueness challenges to state laws are extremely difficult to win, particularly in California firearms litigation so this success is particularly noteworthy. Even so, an appeal by the State is likely, but the Court’s Order enjoining enforcement of the law is effective – February 1, 2011 – immediately regardless.

Despite this win for common sense over ill-conceived and counter productive gun laws, additional legislation on this and related subjects will no doubt be proposed in Sacramento this legislative session. It is absolutely critical that those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms stay informed and make their voices heard in Sacramento. When AB 962 passed there was loud outcry from law abiding gun owners impacted by the new law. Those voices must be heard during the legislative session and before a proposed law passes, not after a law is signed. To help, sign up for legislative alerts at www.nraila.com and www.calnra.com and respond when called upon.

Seventeen years ago the NRA and CRPA joined forces to fight local gun bans being written and pushed in California by the gun ban lobby. Their coordinated efforts became the NRA/CRPA "Local Ordinance Project" (LOP) - a statewide campaign to fight ill conceived local efforts at gun control and educate politicians about available programs that are effective in reducing accidents and violence without infringing on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. The NRA/CRPA LOP has had tremendous success in beating back most of these anti-self-defense proposals.

In addition to fighting local gun bans, for decades the NRA has been litigating dozens of cases in California courts to promote the right to self-defense and the 2nd Amendment. In the post Heller and McDonaldlegal environment, NRA and CRPA Foundation have formed the NRA/CRPA Foundation Legal Action Project (LAP), a joint venture to pro-actively strike down ill-conceived gun control laws and ordinances and advance the rights of firearms owners, specifically in California. Sometimes, success is more likely when LAP's litigation efforts are kept low profile, so the details of every lawsuit are not always released. To see a partial list of the LAP’s recent accomplishments, or to contribute to the NRA or to the NRA / CRPAF LAP and support this and similar Second Amendment cases, visit www.nraila.com and www.crpafoundation.org.


http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/...es-ab-962.html
 

~~whimsy~~

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I can see the pros and cons in what I read. Interesting read. Glad it wasn't passed.

That is basically all I will say about this seeing how more than likely this thread will turn into a pro/anti firearm thread and someone will bring up all the points I agree with on both sides and save me the time and possible arguments.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
thankfully, the 2nd amendments prevails. I am glad I had a nra membership for 10 years.
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
We'll see what ultimately happens if this is run up the appellate courts but Mauser....you could have provided a more objective reference.:o
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I think you mean OUR SIDE Mr. 98k. I hope this sends a clear message to 2 of the worst offenders of the Second Amendment, and biggest reasons to question the sanity of a whole lot of Californians. Nothing sickens me more, then hearing some assclown whine about the quantity of ammo someone has, or buys. You buy it on sale, and you sit on it, because you can burn through a thousand rounds easy, when you spend the day at the range. Now, if they would just vote out the two retard sisters, then maybe we can get to work on getting the 30 round detachable box magazines, and .50bmg rifles again.

georges said:
thankfully, the 2nd amendments prevails. I am glad I had a nra membership for 10 years
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I'm about 12 payments away from my life time membership...and damn proud of it.
 

domshooter

My wife doesn't know I'm a perv!
i redo my membership everytime it comes up. badass win for us
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
Oh My Freaking God! I am so elated that it went down! It was just another brick in my mind, as to what a complete and total shit-hole California is!

They were not in the right to punish responsible gun owners for the actions of scumbag criminals.

And that bastard Schwarzenegger signed off on it! He's a NRA member and gun owner! Just think of all the business, (during a recession) it would have stopped. Morons... I'm glad it's been stopped.
 

LaLiLuLeLohan

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
Just think of all the business, (during a recession) it would have stopped. Morons... I'm glad it's been stopped.

And think of how much border state gun shops would benefit. Ammo prices are already through the roof everywhere...Arizona and Nevada gun shop would be making money hand of over fist.

What a stupid fucking law. Yeah, cities in California are laying off cops left and right and Sacramento wants to create a brand new black market.
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
And think of how much border state gun shops would benefit. Ammo prices are already through the roof everywhere...Arizona and Nevada gun shop would be making money hand of over fist.

What a stupid fucking law. Yeah, cities in California are laying off cops left and right and Sacramento wants to create a brand new black market.

Where do you think I was buying my bulk ammo for the past several months? Ammo in California was double the cost of what I could get it in Vegas. Plus I'd get the weekend off.

I'll most likely continue doing that, but it's still really good to know that I can now place an internet order without the State being in my business without due cause.

I was starting to think this state is pro-criminal...
 

Lee Van Queef

Maybe I Should Get A Little High First
It's amazing how incompetent the people who run California are. Doesn't matter if they're Republicans or Democrats. It's already hard enough keeping up with the California state gun laws and wondering what new hoops I need to jump through every time I buy guns or ammo. How do our gang members keep getting those nifty, fully automatic weapons? Seems they have no problem. But I guess no silly gun laws are going to prevent him from breaking a bigger law of murder and killing a rival scumbag from another neighborhood.
 

busaguy79

FreeOnes is pumping through my veins!
NRA life member here and glad it was repelled. Yeah with Cops getting the axe all the time and criminals and gangs having little to no problem getting weapond that are illegal to us normal law abiding citizens, we need to be able to defend ourselves and homes.
 
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