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New Jersey Gay Marriage: Judge Says Same-Sex Marriages Can Start October 21

Mayhem

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/27/new-jersey-gay-marriage-_n_4004723.html?utm_hp_ref=politics


Same-sex couples in New Jersey may soon be able to marry.

Judge Mary Jacobson of the Mercer County Superior Court ruled Friday that gay couples can marry in the Garden State starting October 21.

Jacobson said she made her decision in light of the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on United States v. Windsor, but the ruling is likely to be appealed.

"This unequal treatment requires that New Jersey extend civil marriage to same-sex couples to satisfy equal protection guarantees of the New Jersy Constitution as interpreted by the New Jersey Supreme Court in Lewis," wrote the judge. "Same-sex couples must be allowed to marry in order to obtain equal protection of the law under the New Jersey Constitution."

It's been a very long time since I've seen my home state, and I actually have no desire to move back (although I'd move back east in a heartbeat if I could). It's good to see the place I grew up in embrace the 21st century. :thumbsup:
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Ya know dude...got no problem with ANYBODY being happy, and having a happy life, but be careful of what you wish for, because you just might get it. Ya know what I'm sayin'?
 

Mayhem

Banned
Ya know dude...got no problem with ANYBODY being happy, and having a happy life, but be careful of what you wish for, because you just might get it. Ya know what I'm sayin'?

In this context, I actually don't have a clue what you're saying. :confused:
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I don't what it is but I actually like Jersey and I am a southerner. Maybe it is the close proximity to NYC or something or Atlantic City. I thought about buying a home in Summit what a nice little town. Surprised you just don't work in AC Mayhem unless you just don't want to be in Jersey at all. They have really cleaned that town up in the last 15 years.
 

Mayhem

Banned
:offtopic: It would take a pretty compelling reason to make me leave Vegas. The license fees I have to pay here are exactly what they should be everywhere...and aren't. They also are realistic with their background checks. Some states really crawl up your ass about stuff that (in my case) happened 30 years ago (Louisiana is the absolute worst).

With gaming openning up in Pennsylvania, I wouldn't touch AC with a 10-foot pole.

Now back to our regularly scheduled topic.
 

Master Roshi

All hail the FO Cult Mother!
all 50 states should just legalize ss marriage already so I don't have to see it in the mainstream media anymore, as long as people are happy that's all that matters even though I don't believe government should be involved with marriage at any level, it should be private among those 2 individuals, now same sex couples in NJ can pay the same out of control high taxes as all the other married couples do in that state, Chris Christie SMH
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I may be wrong but the Mercer County Superior Court judge can't change a shittin thing in Trenton. I wouldn't be booking any bands or caterers just yet.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
In this context, I actually don't have a clue what you're saying. :confused:

What I meant was, I have no problem with same sex marriage, but it won't be long before same sex divorce, and same sex custody battles. You know as well as I do, marriage is a legally binding contract, and it's a messy proposition to break that contract. Don't get me wrong, I love my wife with every part of my heart and soul, but as with all relationships we argue sometimes....if it ever got that bad, I couldn't just walk away.

Everyone should be allowed to be happy, and have children, and live a stable life, but I think sometimes, some of them are complaining about it, for the sake of complaining about it. If that makes any sense.
 

Mayhem

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What I meant was, I have no problem with same sex marriage, but it won't be long before same sex divorce, and same sex custody battles. You know as well as I do, marriage is a legally binding contract, and it's a messy proposition to break that contract. Don't get me wrong, I love my wife with every part of my heart and soul, but as with all relationships we argue sometimes....if it ever got that bad, I couldn't just walk away.

Everyone should be allowed to be happy, and have children, and live a stable life, but I think sometimes, some of them are complaining about it, for the sake of complaining about it. If that makes any sense.

I don't know anything about you (other than you're a good person). I don't know if you're black, hispanic, Native American, Jewish, Hungarian or a disciple of Huixtocihuatl. But if someone came along and took a core element of what makes you who you are and told you that you weren't good enough to be treated like everyone else, how would you feel? That's what they're complaining about, and they should. Civil Rights are a binary state. We either have 100%, or we have 0%. We currently do not have 100%.
 

Mayhem

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Chris Christie Appeals Gay Marriage Ruling To Higher Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/chris-christie-gay-marriage-appeal_n_4019862.html

Gov. Chris Christie's administration on Monday asked New Jersey's top state court to take an appeal of a judge's ruling that the state must allow gay marriage.

Citing "far-reaching implications," Acting Attorney General John Hoffman made the request in a letter to the state Supreme Court, which usually does not weigh in on cases until after an appeals court has made a ruling on them.

Hoffman said he is also asking the judge who issued the decision Friday to grant a stay, delaying the implementation date from Oct. 21 until the matter can be settled.

An appeal from Christie's administration is no surprise. Within hours of the ruling, Christie's spokesman issued a statement saying he did not intend to let the trial court order stand in an issue in an issue that has been fought repeatedly both in New Jersey's courts and Legislature.

Advocates for gay marriage did not want Christie, a possible 2016 Republican presidential candidate, to continue his fight against allowing same-sex couples to tie the knot in New Jersey. But they do want the issue fast-tracked to the state's top court if he does continue to fight it.

Democratic legislative leaders said as much at a news conference on Friday.

"We know it's going there so there should be no delay," Senate President Steve Sweeney said. "By Oct. 21st, people should know, yes or no. "

Last week's ruling by Judge Mary Jacobson sided firmly with six same-sex couples and the gay rights group Garden State Equality. They argued that by denying same-sex marriage rights, the state is blocking its lesbian and gay couples benefits that the federal government is now allowing in light of a June ruling in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Christie's administration contends that it's the federal government, not the state, that should be held responsible for denying the benefits.




The issue is still being contended in the Legislature, too.

Lawmakers passed a law last year to allow gay marriage, but Christie vetoed it. At Monday's news conference, Democrats light-heartedly discussed wedding plans with gay couples in the room as Sweeney announced plans to post gay marriage for an override vote as soon after the Nov. 5 election. Sweeney said he could count on 27 of 40 senators to vote yes. In the Assembly, 54 of 80 votes would be needed.

Democrats control both houses of the Legislature but not by veto-proof majorities. They have never overridden one of Christie's vetoes and have until mid-January to hold the vote.

Christie has said repeatedly that he favors civil unions, which offer gay and lesbian couples benefits of marriage but not the title.

Christie also asked that gay marriage be decided by public vote, but most gay-rights advocates rejected that position, arguing that marriage equality is a civil right that doesn't belong on the ballot.

Thirteen states allow same-sex marriage. New Jersey's civil union law has been in effect since 2006.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I don't know anything about you (other than you're a good person). I don't know if you're black, hispanic, Native American, Jewish, Hungarian or a disciple of Huixtocihuatl. But if someone came along and took a core element of what makes you who you are and told you that you weren't good enough to be treated like everyone else, how would you feel? That's what they're complaining about, and they should. Civil Rights are a binary state. We either have 100%, or we have 0%. We currently do not have 100%.

I absolutely agree. I think the percentage I'm referring to is very, very small...but I think it exists, and I don't think they really care about the rights of their cause, as opposed to a cause to bitch about. As I said, all people should be allowed to have a happy life...but some are going to find out that happiness isn't always at the alter, and it isn't as easy to walk away once you've been there.
 

Mayhem

Banned
New Jersey Gay Marriage: Judge Denies Request From Christie Administration, Refuses To Delay

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/new-jersey-gay-marriage_n_4080116.html

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A New Jersey judge has denied a request from Gov. Chris Christie's administration to delay the start of gay marriage in the state until after a legal appeal is final.

The ruling Thursday from Judge Mary Jacobson moves the state a step closer to start recognizing same-sex nuptials on Oct. 21. That's the day Jacobson had said in a previous ruling that the marriages had to be allowed.

But Christie's administration is expected to appeal the denial to a higher court.

The administration has already asked the state Supreme Court to reverse Jacobson's earlier ruling that the state has to allow gay couples to get married.
 

Jack Davenport

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Actually Mariah is right. He is definitely pandering for his run in 2016. That said, he is pretty liberal and this isn't much different than Obama being against gay marriage in 2008. I always knew he was just saying that to get elected. Didn't Krispy Kreme get the lap band surgery a few months ago? He hasn't dropped an ounce. I could still vote for though. I like him.
 

Mayhem

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New Jersey Gay Weddings Can Start Monday As Same-Sex Marriage Case Is Appealed: Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/new-jersey-gay-weddings_n_4124145.html


Same-sex marriages will begin within days in New Jersey after the state's highest court ruled unanimously Friday to uphold a lower-court order that gay weddings must start Monday and to deny a delay that was sought by Gov. Chris Christie's administration.

"The state has advanced a number of arguments, but none of them overcome this reality: Same-sex couples who cannot marry are not treated equally under the law today," the court said in an opinion by Chief Justice Stuart Rabner. "The harm to them is real, not abstract or speculative."

A judge on the lower court had ruled last month that New Jersey must recognize same-sex marriage and set Monday as the date to allow gay weddings. Christie, a Republican who is considered a possible 2016 presidential candidate, appealed the decision and asked for the start date to be put on hold while the state appeals.

A spokesman for Christie said that he will comply with the ruling, though he doesn't like it.

"While the governor firmly believes that this determination should be made by all the people of the State of New Jersey, he has instructed the Department of Health to cooperate with all municipalities in effectuating the order," spokesman Michael Drewniak said in a statement.

The ruling puts New Jersey on the cusp of becoming the 14th state — and the third most populous among them — to allow same-sex marriage.

It's being debated elsewhere, too. Oregon has begun recognizing same-sex weddings performed out of state, and it is likely that voters will get a chance next year to repeal the state's constitutional ban on gay marriage. The legislature in Hawaii also soon could take up a bill to legalize same-sex unions, while a similar measure has passed the Illinois Senate but not the House. Lawsuits challenging gay marriage bans also are pending in several states, including Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

New Jersey's top court agreed last week to take up the appeal of the lower-court ruling by Judge Mary Jacobson. Oral arguments are expected Jan. 6 or 7.

In Friday's opinion, Rabner wrote that the state has not shown that it is likely to prevail in the case, though it did present some reasons not to marriage to move forward now.

"But when a party presents a clear case of unequal treatment, and asks the court to vindicate constitutionally protected rights, a court may not sidestep its obligation to rule for an indefinite amount of time," he wrote. "Under these circumstances, courts do not have the option to defer."

Rabner also rejected the state's argument that it was in the public interest not to allow marriages until the court has had more time to rule fully on the issue.

"What is the public's interest in a case like this?" he wrote. "Like Judge Jacobson, we can find no public interest in depriving a group of New Jersey residents of their constitutional right to equal protection while the appeals process unfolds."

For those opposed to gay marriage, denying the request to delay was troubling. "In what universe does it make sense to let the question at hand be answered before it's asked or argued?" Len Deo, president of the New Jersey Family Policy Council, said in a letter Friday to his members.

On Thursday, some communities started accepting applications for marriage licenses from same-sex couples so that they would pass the 72-hour waiting period by 12:01 a.m. Monday.

Several communities, including Asbury Park and Lambertville, are holding ceremonies for multiple couples then.

Meanwhile, the gay rights group Garden State Equality said it was lining up judges who could waive the 72-hour waiting period. Also, the state's marriage law says there is no waiting period for couples already married to reaffirm their vows. Some couples wed in New York or other places that already recognize gay marriages are expected to do that.

Despite the uncertainty before Friday's ruling, couples — some of whom have been together for decades — have been planning to have ceremonies as soon as they would be recognized by the state government. Lambertville Mayor David DelVecchio said he's planning to lead one of the state's first legally recognized same-sex weddings, between Beth Asaro and Joanne Schailey. DelVecchio also performed the ceremony in 2007 when the couple became among New Jersey's first to be granted a civil union.

"The applications should be flowing and the licenses should be granted and people should be allowed to marry freely," said Hayley Gorenberg, a Lambda Legal lawyer who is working on the case. "The court has unanimously said my clients and the people of New Jersey don't need to wait."

The court did not address the question of what would happen to the status of same-sex marriages entered into next week if it later decides that the state does not have to grant the marriages.

Whether gay couples should have the right to marry in New Jersey has been the subject of a battle in the state's courts and Legislature for a decade. There has been a flurry of movements in both venues since June, when the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated key parts of a federal law that prevented the federal government from recognizing same-sex unions.

Since then, gay rights advocates have asked New Jersey judges to force the state to recognize same-sex marriage, arguing that the state's current policy of granting gay couples civil unions but not marriage licenses amounts to denying them federal protections such as Social Security survivor benefits and the right to file tax returns jointly.

Since July, gay rights groups have also engaged in an intense campaign aimed at persuading lawmakers to override Christie's 2012 veto of a bill that would have allowed gay marriage. To get an override, the Legislature must act by Jan. 14.

The bill spells out details that likely would not be covered in a court ruling. For instance, civil unions would automatically be converted to marriages unless couples opted out and dissolved their civil unions, and there would be a religious exception that would allow not only clergy but also others such as caterers or florists not to be involved with gay weddings.

Sheila Oliver, speaker of the state Assembly, issued a statement blaming Christie for not having gay marriage sooner in New Jersey.

"It's a shame it took this long to get to this point and that it took a court fight for same-sex couples to gain equal rights," she said. "New Jersey could have had marriage equality already if it wasn't for Gov. Christie, who has done everything he could to prevent this from happening, including wasting money and time continuing this court battle."
 

Mariahxxx

I am in my own little world but it's okay they know me here.
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I like christie until I see too much of him, which isn't tough lol had to drop the fat joke. but he's great then he suddenly turns into another drone with the religious and anti gay crap.
 

bobjustbob

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Wow, that sure will open up a lot of doors for me. "Are you married?" can now come back into my game.
 

bobjustbob

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Are you a lawyer? Come to NJ and write marriage licenses. Take a look at some real-estate along the shore. Build a duplex. Visit Bob's vacation propertirs at Bobfornj.com. That's Bob's vacations at Bob's vacation's .com. I'll see you at the shore.
 

Mayhem

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Chris Christie Administration Withdrawing Appeal Of Gay Marriage Ruling In New Jersey

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/christie-gay-marriage-appeal_n_4135867.html

Gov. Chris Christie's administration is withdrawing its appeal of a judge's recent ruling in favor of gay marriage in New Jersey, according to Bloomberg.

According to Politicker NJ reporter Matthew Arco, Christie's administration said "the governor will do his constitutional duty and ensure his administration enforces the law as dictated by the N.J. Supreme Court."

Below, more from the AP:

LAMBERTVILLE, N.J. — LAMBERTVILLE, N.J. (AP) — Gov. Chris Christie has dropped his appeal to legalized same-sex marriages in New Jersey.

In an email, the governor's office says it submitted a formal withdrawal to the state Supreme Court Monday morning.

Last month, a lower-court judge ruled that New Jersey must recognize gay marriages starting Monday. Gay couples began exchanging vows shortly after midnight.

The Republican governor, a possible 2016 presidential candidate, had been asking the state's top court to overturn that ruling. But he announced Monday he was dropping the appeal.

Christie's administration says he strongly disagrees with the court substituting "its judgment for the constitutional process of the elected branches or a vote of the people." But he says the Supreme Court was clearly going to favor same-sex marriage and that he has a constitutional duty to enforce the law.
 

bobjustbob

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I may be wrong but the Mercer County Superior Court judge can't change a shittin thing in Trenton. I wouldn't be booking any bands or caterers just yet.

I was wrong. The process in place does not have to put it on a referendum. Nothing there to change the state's constitution. The decision stands. The Fat Man isn't shifting to the left. He's just doing his job and not fighting for his personal beliefs. As for me, welcome to marriage gay people. Beware of what you ask for... now you can experience divorce shit.
 
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